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    We can agree to disagree ASU...did u catch the Baldomir Vernon Forest fight? How did you score it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemOfACrown View Post
    We can agree to disagree ASU...did u catch the Baldomir Vernon Forest fight? How did you score it?
    Yea we will have to. Anyways it's good that we finally have some good boxing discussion on these boards!

    I am in Manila right now so I don't think that fight was shown live. I'm sure they will show it here eventually as the nation is pretty boxing crazed.

    They show most of the big fights live and free unless its a Pacquiao fight which is PPV.

    All fight fans NEED to watch next week's fight. Rafael Marquez and Israel Vasquez II. The first one was a war while it lasted. Marquez broke Vasquez's nose and Vasquez said he couldn't continue. The second fight should be and will be a barnburner.

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    I'm not a huge Hatton guy, nor am I a Mayweather hater, but I'm thinking that Hatton has a very, very good chance in this fight.

    Collazo is actually quicker than Mayweather at this stage of his career, and Hatton is a fight-to-the-level-of-his-competition boxer. He has the speed and aggression necessary to make Floyd more than a little uncomfortable. Plus, Mayweather already has a natural tendency to sag against the ropes, and he will catch more leather from Hatton than he ever has before.

    Vernon Forrest looked great tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bland View Post
    I'm not a huge Hatton guy, nor am I a Mayweather hater, but I'm thinking that Hatton has a very, very good chance in this fight.
    If history tells us anything it is that Hatton's style is the one that gives Mayweather the most fits. Really the only fight I've ever seen in which Mayweather was really in trouble was his first fight against Jose Luis Castillo. Castillo's relentless body attack and willingness to come forward gave Mayweather a lot of trouble and some think Mayweather lost that fight. I think Hatton has a chance of beating Mayweather, but I don't think he neccesarily has a GOOD chance. Hatton's bully style is far more effective at 140, at 147 he's a lot slower and he's not that much stronger than other welterweights. I don't think he's as devestating a puncher as Castillo was in his prime, he's more of a tactician, notice how much he punches then grabs in his fights.

    THe other side of the story is that in his rematch against Castillo, Mayweather schooled him and was never in trouble. So how much does a pressure fighter effect him? We will see.

    Quote Originally Posted by bland
    Collazo is actually quicker than Mayweather at this stage of his career.
    I have to really disagree with this point. In his last fight, Collazo was consistently beaten to the punch and outquicked by Shane Mosley. Mosley's quickness is on par with Mayweather's if not a tad bit worse. I don't see how Collazo is quicker than Mayweather, especially in terms of foot speed and hand speed. There's not that many boxers that can match Mayweather in hand speed. Remember after he solved Judah, he consistently beat him to the punch and marked up Judah's face quite badly. And Judah for all his faults has tremendous handspeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by bland
    and Hatton is a fight-to-the-level-of-his-competition boxer. He has the speed and aggression necessary to make Floyd more than a little uncomfortable. Plus, Mayweather already has a natural tendency to sag against the ropes, and he will catch more leather from Hatton than he ever has before
    I don't think Hatton has the speed to make Mayweather uncomfortable. I don't think Hatton has great speed at all and with the extra 7 pounds he'll be carrying he'll be even that much more sluggish. I think of Hatton as a plodder. I am really impressed by his techincal skills and tactics. His footwork is great, against Juan Urango his consistently circled to his left in order to avoid the big right hand Urango has and whenever he was in trouble he grabbed. Much like Wladmir did against Samuel Peter.

    Mayweather is a smart fighter, he stayed against the ropes against Judah and Oscar because he knew he could take anything they threw at him and even avoid many of those punches and at the same time land plenty of his own shots with pinpoint accuracy. Remember against Baldomir, Mayweather would stick his jab in Baldy's face then get on his bike. I think he'll employ that same strategy against Hatton.

    I hope Hatton makes it a fight, but I want Mayweather to win. Hopefully then we'll see him fight the winner of Mosley-Cotto.

    Again I'll say that I'm pleased to see the boxing thread becoming active. There are plenty of great fights in the second half of the year that all fight fans should be excited about.

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    Watched a replay of the Barrera/Morales 1 last night. What an amazing fight. If only they all could be that way.

    I'm looking forward to Pavlik/Taylor. I kind of like Pavlik in that fight. Anyone know the betting line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cup B4 I Die View Post
    Watched a replay of the Barrera/Morales 1 last night. What an amazing fight. If only they all could be that way.
    Barrera-Morales I and II are absolute classics. Must watch fights for every boxing fan. Honestly, both those fights could have gone either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cup BF I die
    I'm looking forward to Pavlik/Taylor. I kind of like Pavlik in that fight. Anyone know the betting line?
    Opinions seemed to be mixed on this fight whenever I ask people their thoughts. Also with pundits and experts. I checked bodog, they don't have any lines set for the fight yet.

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    This thread needs an update from the last time we've talked.

    As I predicted and it of course was a no brainer, the Rafael Marquez-Israel Vazquez fight was a barnburner. Action throughout, with both little guys throwing heavy leather. Israel stopped Marquez in the 6th. Some say the fight was stopped early, but I was fine with the stoppage. For those who haven't seen it make sure you do, I know a lot of people don't have showtime so I searched youtube and found this kid who has the fight. Here's the link to his video page. Enjoy!

    http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=jcandpacquiao

    Also that same night(luckily I was in Manila and they showed the Morales fight for free) Erik Morales lost a tough decision to David Diaz. David Diaz is a paper champion but he showed a lot of heart as did Morales. Morales was trying to make history, the first Mexican boxer to win 4 belts at 4 different weight classes but he fell just short. Morales fought well though in his typical fashion.

    Morales announced his retirement and he'll will undoubtedly be a first ballot hall of famer. Morales gave fight fans plenty of great fights and even Barrera fans should give him his due.

    Finally, this past Saturday, Golden Boy put on a World Cup of boxing, Mexico Vs. Philippines. The Philippines won the myhtical World Cup only losing one bout. The one bout was the main event, Daniel Ponce De Leon destroyed top Filipino prospect Ray Bautista in devestating fashion. Ponce De Leon is a rising star, kid has a ton of power. Keep an eye on him.

    The other signifigant fight was Jhonny Gonzalez Vs. filipino veteran Gerry Penalosa. Penalosa losing the fight until the 6th when he landed a big time body punch that dropped Gonzalez. Gonzales couldn't get up and Penalosa won his belt. Penalosa is an true veteran of the sport. Not quite a Hall of Famer but he was a solid belt holder for a long time. He has never been knocked out and has a ton of solid wins under his belt. I hope he retires but boxers never do.....

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    Also the big news of this week is Don King setting up a Felix Trinidad-Roy Jones Jr. fight.

    Both guys are washed up, but the name power alone makes me want to see this fight. The fight will be at 170 a weight Tito has never fought at and a weight Roy Jones hasn't fought at in awhile.

    I don't really know what to expect out of this fight. Tito is coming off a long lay off while Jones has been fighting scrubs. Roy is still quick and I think he'll be able to out quick Tito to decision. He's chin is obviously glass so Tito does have a puncher's chance.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2972977

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    Also the big news of this week is Don King setting up a Felix Trinidad-Roy Jones Jr. fight.

    Both guys are washed up, but the name power alone makes me want to see this fight. The fight will be at 170 a weight Tito has never fought at and a weight Roy Jones hasn't fought at in awhile.

    I don't really know what to expect out of this fight. Tito is coming off a long lay off while Jones has been fighting scrubs. Roy is still quick and I think he'll be able to out quick Tito to decision. He's chin is obviously glass so Tito does have a puncher's chance.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2972977
    Love talking boxing, might be my 3rd favorite sport behind football and hockey.

    IMO, Jones Jr vs Tito amounts to a couple of bigtime names figting for money. But I guess that's what boxing is these days anyways.

    I'm wondering if HBO will pick up this fight. Probably not, so Showtime most likely will.

    I'm tempted to get tickets to the Vargas/Mayorga fight. I'm anticipating these two going at it, could be an entertaining fight. Thougts??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cup B4 I Die View Post
    IMO, Jones Jr vs Tito amounts to a couple of bigtime names figting for money. But I guess that's what boxing is these days anyways.
    That's pretty much what it comes down to. I'll probably end up ordering it though. My roommate is a huge Tito fan so I'm sure he'll want to watch it. Both guys have so much star power I'm guessing it'll do surprisingly well as far as PPV numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cup B4 I Die
    I'm wondering if HBO will pick up this fight. Probably not, so Showtime most likely will.
    I believe HBO has a pretty full schedule in the fall. Doubt that they pick up the fight. I think it'll be PPV for sure.

    [quoteCup B4 I Die]I'm tempted to get tickets to the Vargas/Mayorga fight. I'm anticipating these two going at it, could be an entertaining fight. Thougts??[/quote]

    Vargas-Mayorga won't be the most technical fight but I'll guarantee you it won't go to the scorecards. Being at a fight is always a good thing and it should have a pretty good atmosphere. I say go for it.

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