Thread: The Boxing Thread

Originally Posted by ASUcruz

I'll watch it again but I don't think I'm going to be convinced.

Anyways what did you think the scores should have been? The scorecards were 115-112, 115-112, and 116-111.

115-112 for Barrera.

He lost a point for turnbuckling Hamed. Barrera's winning rounds were so much more dominant than the ones I scored for Hamed that it looks like it should be a wider margin.

That's one thing that non-boxing fans can't understand - you could have a fight were every round was extremely close, but still see a 120-108 scorecard if one fighter did enough ot barely win each round. Conversely, a fight like this one seemed like a blow-out, even though the cards were close.

Originally Posted by bland

Conversely, a fight like this one seemed like a blow-out, even though the cards were close.

This is what I don't understand. 7-4 is pretty one sided, especially this fight where Hamed did nothing to ever threaten Barrera.

You originally said that Hamed deserved to win 4 rounds. Well he did, I'm not sure why your complaining. You even admit that Barrera's rounds were much more dominant.

I don't think anyone could define this fight as close. Hamed was thoroughly dominated. Sure he won a few rounds he was never in a position to win this bout.

Originally Posted by ASUcruz

This is what I don't understand. 7-4 is pretty one sided, especially this fight where Hamed did nothing to ever threaten Barrera.

You originally said that Hamed deserved to win 4 rounds. Well he did, I'm not sure why your complaining. You even admit that Barrera's rounds were much more dominant.

I don't think anyone could define this fight as close. Hamed was thoroughly dominated. Sure he won a few rounds he was never in a position to win this bout.

Huh? I'm not complaining about anything. I think you are missing my point.

Barrera won 8 one-sided rounds, and Hamed won the other four, which were a lot closer (Barrera did very, very little in two of those rounds - they are easy to score for the prince). That makes it 116-112, and after you deduct that point from Barrera it makes it 115-112.

It wasn't a close fight in terms of action, but the scoring was a lot closer than one might think. 115-112 is just two rounds away from a Hamed victory...

Originally Posted by bland

It wasn't a close fight in terms of action, but the scoring was a lot closer than one might think. 115-112 is just two rounds away from a Hamed victory...

I don't think anyone can say it was a close fight though. Again Hamed was never going to win that fight. That's why, it wasn't a close fight to me. Sure it was close on the scorecards, but it was a one sided fight.

Again, you said Hamed should have gotten 4 of those rounds. He did get those 4, so why make that statement when he did get his 4.

Also, I was anxious to hear your response in our Mayweather-Hatton discussion. Was wondering why you never responded.

Originally Posted by ASUcruz

I don't think anyone can say it was a close fight though. Again Hamed was never going to win that fight. That's why, it wasn't a close fight to me. Sure it was close on the scorecards, but it was a one sided fight.

Again, you said Hamed should have gotten 4 of those rounds. He did get those 4, so why make that statement when he did get his 4.

Also, I was anxious to hear your response in our Mayweather-Hatton discussion. Was wondering why you never responded.

I really have no idea why we are disagreeing. I'm stating Hamed "should of" and "did" receive four rounds to illustrate my point - Barrera, despite his dominating performance, was only 2 rounds away from losing that fight even though he was dominant.


As far as the Mayweather/Hatton tilt, I still like Hatton to win. Hatton's hand and foot speed will trouble Floyd, and Ricky will be able to outmuscle Mayweather in the clinches. I see Floyd breaking down from the pressure in the late rounds, and the fight will be on the table for Hatton to take the decision.

Mayweather may theoretically have the ability to pick Hatton apart, but Floyd won't be able to keep him off of him long enough to pile up the points. Hatton always fights to the level of his competition, and I love his enthusiasm. Mayweather hasn't been in the ring with a vicious body puncher for years, nor has he fought a high caliber of opponent (big names? yes.. in their prime? not at all). I'm picking Hatton to maul him out of his comfort zone, and win on points with a late surge.

I also like Pavlik over Taylor in a BIG way (KO in less than 6 rounds), and I'll take Moseley over Cotto by late KO.

Originally Posted by bland

As far as the Mayweather/Hatton tilt, I still like Hatton to win. Hatton's hand and foot speed will trouble Floyd, and Ricky will be able to outmuscle Mayweather in the clinches. I see Floyd breaking down from the pressure in the late rounds, and the fight will be on the table for Hatton to take the decision.

I'm still not sure where your getting Hatton's foot speed from. He was clearly out quicked and beaten to the punch by Luis Collazo. You said earlier that you think Collazo is faster than Mayweather at this point in their careers, which does not make much sense to me. Collazo was clearly slower than Mosley. There is no way Mosley is quicker than Mayweather, similar yea, but he is not quicker.

I'm not sure where you are seeing this foot speed and hand speed out of Hatton. The guy is a plodder. I can't think of one fight where he was faster than anybody. Maybe Tsyzu, but then even though Tsyzu is a hall of famer he was coming off a 13 month lay off. Clearly Tsyzu was not at his best. Plus Hatton is again moving up to 147 pounds, a weight he has not been very impressive at. Hatton should be stronger in the clinch, but he has to clinch with Mayweather first. I think this fight will look a lot like Mayweather-Baldomir.

Originally Posted by Rob2716

Probably still having nightmares of the asswhooping Marco Antonio Barrera gave him.

Haven't watched that one in a while. I'll have to find the tape this weekend.

I was a big M.A. Barrera fan that night. That was fun to watch.

Originally Posted by bland

I really have no idea why we are disagreeing. I'm stating Hamed "should of" and "did" receive four rounds to illustrate my point - Barrera, despite his dominating performance, was only 2 rounds away from losing that fight even though he was dominant.


As far as the Mayweather/Hatton tilt, I still like Hatton to win. Hatton's hand and foot speed will trouble Floyd, and Ricky will be able to outmuscle Mayweather in the clinches. I see Floyd breaking down from the pressure in the late rounds, and the fight will be on the table for Hatton to take the decision.

Mayweather may theoretically have the ability to pick Hatton apart, but Floyd won't be able to keep him off of him long enough to pile up the points. Hatton always fights to the level of his competition, and I love his enthusiasm. Mayweather hasn't been in the ring with a vicious body puncher for years, nor has he fought a high caliber of opponent (big names? yes.. in their prime? not at all). I'm picking Hatton to maul him out of his comfort zone, and win on points with a late surge.

I also like Pavlik over Taylor in a BIG way (KO in less than 6 rounds), and I'll take Moseley over Cotto by late KO.

I think Moseley has the best shot to beat Lil Floyd if they ever fought. Hatton is going to have to be rough with Floyd to have a shot. I'm talking dirty tactics.. Not Tyson style, but clinching/holding-boderline illegal things to get Floyd off his game. If he doesn't do that, I don't think he has a shot. But i'll be rooting hard for Hatton.

Like you, I think Pavlik is going to shock the **it out of Taylor in the first couple of rounds. I don't think Taylor has ever fought anyone like Pavlik in his life. Props to Taylor for taking the fight though.

I also think Mosley will have the best shot at beating Mayweather. He may not be quite as fast as Mayweather, but he's certainly faster than anyone Floyd has fought, and that's going to help Mosley land more often than other fighters. And while Mosley can certainly fight on the inside, he might have enough reach to also box effectively from the outside, which is something most of Mayweather's opponents couldn't do.

Anyway, I think most everyone outside of Mayweather's camp is going to be rooting for Hatton. I certainly will be, but Hatton will have to come out like an absolute monster in this fight. Can't stand Mayweather, but you have to give the guy credit for usually being in fantastic shape. He's going to run and he's not going to stop. Hatton might be a little quicker than most give him credit for, but I think his effectiveness is due more to relentlessness than anything else. That's usually enough to wear down his opponents (because he doesn't have one punch power), but he's going to have to take that relentlessness to another level. He's going to charge forward, and Mayweather will run and potshot him. He's going to have to get Mayweather into the ropes and corners somehow and work him over. He has to do all that AND hope that his face doesn't get all busted up from the shots Mayweather is going to land.

I hope Hatton can pull it off, but I think the cards are stacked against him.