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    That is not entirely true that "they have never found anything" and the "Most tested athlete in Sport" moniker he himself created.

    1. First there was the abnormal cortico steroid test which his doctor then provided a back-dated therapeutic use exemption. That doctor being Michele Ferrari, the guy currently banned from Cycling because of his immense expertise in doping. Whilst other teams were shunning Ferrari, Armstrong embraced him, but did eventually and begrudgingly dropped him after Ferrari was convicted in court, however he added that he was disapointed with the courts decision.

    2. Lance Armstrongs B sample from the 99 TDF was re-tested in 2004 and found to contain E.P.O, this claim was broken by Le Equipe with photos of the actual test result. The testing agency said they would hand over the results to the UCI on condition that no disciplinary action was taken against Armstrong.

    There have been so many articles written about lance Armstrong and his potential doping, very damaging ones that Armstrong has described as a witch-hunt. I would like to know if he is so convinced of his innocence why he has not sued these papers for libel. He should take the stand, swear an oath and stick it to these papers. Or is he worried that something like this would come out and he might be facing a perjury trial?

    If there was a baseball player who was still working with Victor Conte, embraced him whilst other baseball players were shunning him, would you not be a bit suspicous? At the very least the UCI should be investigating this, instead they have said case closed Landis is a liar etc etc.

    Incidentally Dr Allen Lim is on Armstrongs current team, the same Allen Lim who said that he could believe that Landis had doped.
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    In the case here I am going to have to take Lance's side. Floyd seems pissed that he did not get invited to ride with the peloton and the tour so he is lashing back by being a mudslinger. In some level I think many pro athletes are doping or have in the past, but Landis chooses to go about mentioning this in a pity me but screw you context.

    Lance handled the situation great like the pro he is, and I would expect nothing less. Cannot wait to see Lance in Kona in 2011

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    Landis has behaved erratically on more than one occasion, however one more ex-team mate comes forward and things could unravel.

    Now we have this statement released yesterday:

    What was not conveyed were descriptions of the threatening text messages from Landis to others, including Lance Armstrong, that began more than two years ago.

    "Mr. Armstrong and others, then, as he has now, told Landis he had nothing to hide and that he was not going to submit to Landis' baseless threats to "disclose" falsehoods.
    BBC Sport - Cycling - Lance Armstrong's Team RadioShack attacks Floyd Landis

    If Landis has been threatening Armstrong through text messages for more than two years, why was Armstrong defending Landis and saying there "Is overwhelming evidence in Floyd's favour" just a year ago?

    Here is the interview:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7fV-48DT3E]YouTube - Cycling Legend Rails Against British Reporter[/ame]

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    Floyd goes into some detail on how it is being done in his Emails ..
    anyone seen any of those?

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    I copied this from another forum

    2002: I was instructed on how to use Testosterone patches by Johan Bruyneel
    during the During the Dauphine Libere in June, after which I flew on a
    helicopter with Mr Armstrong from the finish, I believe Grenoble, to San
    Mauritz Switzerland at which point I was personally handed a box of 2.5 mg
    patches in front of his wife who witnessed the exchange. About a week
    later, Dr Ferrari performed an extraction of half a liter of blood to be
    transfused back into me during the Tour de France. Mr Armstrong was not
    witness to the extraction but he and I had lengthy discussions about it on
    our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution
    of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the
    inconvenience of the new test. He also divulged to me at that time that in
    the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari,
    who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he
    did not believe Mr Farrari and contin
    ued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before
    the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr
    Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with
    Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.

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    This is interesting....

    After Allegations by Landis, Race for Information Begins - NYTimes.com

    Two people Landis has accused of doping said on Friday that they had been contacted by antidoping officials who had asked them to cooperate with an investigation in exchange for leniency. Those people did not want their names published because they are still deciding if they want to come forward.

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    First off, I'm a fan of Lance, but even I will say: anyone who thinks Lance HASN'T done SOMEthing at SOME point, really doesn't know the sport. Like I said before, THEY ALL DOPE. Some are just smarter and have more resources available to them to beat the testing. There are a lot of politics and dirty business behind the scenes in this sport, as in all sports. There's a reason cycling's reputation has gone into the gutter, and it's not just because of a handful of champs who've gotten caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ketel&tonic View Post
    First off, I'm a fan of Lance, but even I will say: anyone who thinks Lance HASN'T done SOMEthing at SOME point, really doesn't know the sport. Like I said before, THEY ALL DOPE. Some are just smarter and have more resources available to them to beat the testing. There are a lot of politics and dirty business behind the scenes in this sport, as in all sports. There's a reason cycling's reputation has gone into the gutter, and it's not just because of a handful of champs who've gotten caught.
    Not to sure they all dope but much of the top tear racer in 1 way or another do some kind of artifical help, being a altitude chamber they sleep in, or blood dopping.

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    Lance Armstrong is a team owner, that makes him a rather large part of the problem. A lot of his accusers like Stephen Swart, Frankie Andreu, Emma O Reilly as well as his ex wife Betsy Armstrong have all claimed it was Armstrong that wanted to start the doping in the Mottorolla team.

    All of these people were "Bitter former employees/team-mates." If Armstrong came clean I would not begrudge him, at the time of his wins virtually all of the Peleton were doing it, but Bjarne Riis the winner of the TDF the year before Armstrong came clean and gave details of his doping.

    Cycling will always be tarnished if cyclists buy into their own lies and don't help erradicate it.
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    And now this.......

    Confusion over payment Armstrong made to UCI for a Sysmex machine | Latest News | Cycling Weekly

    The UCI and its former president Hein Verbruggen were quick to dismiss Floyd Landis's allegation that Lance Armstrong and Johan Bruyneel made a payment to ensure that a positive test for EPO at the Tour of Switzerland in 2001 was suppressed.

    However, details of a payment Armstrong did make to the UCI has caused further confusion and highlighted the need for greater transparency at cycling's governing body. There are inconsistencies in declarations Armstrong and current UCI president Pat McQuaid have made about the amount donated and exactly how the money was spent.

    Armstrong told Cycling Weekly that the payment made in 2005, before he retired, was around $25,000. McQuaid admitted on Irish radio on Thursday that it was in fact $100,000 - $88,000 of which was spent on a Sysmex machine, a piece of equipment used to analyse blood. In an email to CW in December 2008, McQuaid said Armstrong's donation was spent exclusively on the Sysmex machine. Now McQuaid admits that there was a surplus of $12,000 and the UCI has not declared what happened to this money.

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