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    Quote Originally Posted by Madballz15 View Post
    When people say "...Shaq in his prime made Kobe look like the second coming of Jordan." When in fact, Kobe looked more "Jorndanesque" without Shaq. Then uh, yeah, it is relevant.

    But True, if the Lakers are winning, then who cares if Kobe is scoring or not. Aslong as the Lakers get back to championship form.
    Kobe cares, that's the problem. In a pure basketball sense, if you just took his abilities, logic would say get a good big man and take your shot. But I don't know where Kobe's head is at. If he needs to take every shot in the 4th quarter and chew out his teammates at every dead ball, then it won't work no matter who you get.

    I'm the one who said he looked like the second coming of Jordan when Shaq was there. By that I meant appearing in the Finals, hitting big shots, snapping his gum, winning the title, everything Jordan did. Similar to what Wade did last year, by the way. Without Shaq he looks like the early Jordan, a one man show that ends in early May, as bland mentioned. Maybe that's how he wants it, I don't know. You guys follow the team a lot closer than I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Die Radio Die View Post
    2003-2004
    Detroit Pistons

    Richard Hamilton was Detroit's leading scoring during the regular season and the playoffs.

    Regular Season: 17.6 ppg 3.6 rpg 4.0 apg
    Playoffs: 21.5 ppg 4.6 rpg 4.2 apg

    Who did the Pistons beat that year? A Lakers team that featured the most dominant Big Man of his generation.

    I can't wait to see how you spin this one.

    Also, ANY team that makes it to the Finals is by definition championship caliber whether you want to concede that or not. The Finals are far from a formality despite your dismissal of the Leastern Conference.
    Please understand that you are only underlining my point. Detroit is a PERFECT example of my theory.

    There are dozens of shooting guards that can play on a championship level team as long as they have dominant players at the more important positions.

    I personally disagree with your statement that Rip Hamilton was the best player on that squad. I have him firmly behind:

    1) Chauncey Billups (a top 5 point guard)

    2) Ben Wallace ( a dominant rebounder)

    3) Rasheed Wallace (a great player who presents ridiculously difficult defensive matchups)

    Hamilton was allowed to be a pure scorer because he had no other duties. They even have Price to take his tough d-matchuos. The most important positions on that team were filled by quality players, which is a luxory provided by not having a two guard dominating the ball and the salary cap.

    I'm such a fan of Detroit's style that I've been bugging my friends with a DET/LA swap:

    To LA: Billups (sign and trade), Hamilton and McDyess

    To Detroit: Bryant and Cook

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    ^ So what exactly is your theory? The fact that a team can't win with just a dominant 2 guard and scrubs? That's not a hard one to prove. When was the last time at team won that had one dominant player at ANY position and 4 other scrubs as starters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by borinka99 View Post
    ^ So what exactly is your theory? The fact that a team can't win with just a dominant 2 guard and scrubs? That's not a hard one to prove. When was the last time at team won that had one dominant player at ANY position and 4 other scrubs as starters?
    Check out the first couple pages of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bland View Post
    Please understand that you are only underlining my point. Detroit is a PERFECT example of my theory.

    There are dozens of shooting guards that can play on a championship level team as long as they have dominant players at the more important positions.

    I personally disagree with your statement that Rip Hamilton was the best player on that squad. I have him firmly behind:

    1) Chauncey Billups (a top 5 point guard)

    2) Ben Wallace ( a dominant rebounder)

    3) Rasheed Wallace (a great player who presents ridiculously difficult defensive matchups)

    Hamilton was allowed to be a pure scorer because he had no other duties. They even have Price to take his tough d-matchuos. The most important positions on that team were filled by quality players, which is a luxory provided by not having a two guard dominating the ball and the salary cap.

    I'm such a fan of Detroit's style that I've been bugging my friends with a DET/LA swap:

    To LA: Billups (sign and trade), Hamilton and McDyess

    To Detroit: Bryant and Cook
    Ah yes, Detroit is a PERFECT example of a team. A team that was just taken to school by LaBron James and his 4 also rans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Die Radio Die View Post
    Ah yes, Detroit is a PERFECT example of a team. A team that was just taken to school by LaBron James and his 4 also rans.
    This year's version was missing Ben Wallace. Not a small factor, even if he never scored a point. You think LeBron is driving in for layups and dunks in the crucial moments of Game 5 if Ben Wallace is in there? That was the series right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italian Seafood View Post
    This year's version was missing Ben Wallace. Not a small factor, even if he never scored a point. You think LeBron is driving in for layups and dunks in the crucial moments of Game 5 if Ben Wallace is in there? That was the series right there.
    Wallace is potentially a game changer on defense no doubt but Cleveland's back court outplayed Detroit's from Game 3 to Game 6. How would Ben Wallace's presence have effected Gibson's 21 point outing in Game 4 or his 31 points in Game 6?

    The Top 5 PG Chauncey Billups was mightly outplayed by a rookie in two Cleveland victories.

    Looking deeper, Tayshaun Prince was ineffective a majority of the time. Mr. Matchup Problem R. Wallace was ineffective beyond Game 2. Rip Hamilton is the only player who showed up in each of Detroit's losses.

    Ben Wallace could have helped but there's no way you can just assume Detroit would have walked through Cleveland had he been on the team or even that Detroit would have won Game 5 had Wallace been in the paint.

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    I'm saying Ben Wallace would have made the difference at the end of Game 5, a pivotal point in the series. Overall, you have a Pistons team that is three years older than the 2004 team, they've played a lot of long playoffs, now minus a key guy and with an entirely different coach. They looked older and not as cohesive as they did in 04, and even then they were up 2-0 in the series. Let's not act like they got blown out, they looked like they ran out of gas, especially on the road. They let LeBron take their home game away in Game 5 and that decided the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Die Radio Die View Post
    Ah yes, Detroit is a PERFECT example of a team. A team that was just taken to school by LaBron James and his 4 also rans.
    Do the names Flip Saunders and Larry Brown mean anything to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bland View Post
    Do the names Flip Saunders and Larry Brown mean anything to you?
    So now it's the coaching. Gotcha.

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