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    Ok, ASU, here's my picks:

    Couture vs. Gonzaga: My heart says, Randy. My head says Gonzaga. It's odd though, Gonzaga is a superior fighter in several aspects, but I just can't see Couture getting subbed or knocked out. Of course it could happen, but it's hard to visualize. Could end up being a great battle.

    GSP vs. Koscheck: I said this earlier. I don't think Koscheck has ANYTHING that GSP hasn't seen and easily dealt with before. While Kos has improved, he's still one-dimensional. I figure GSP will land some shots and Koscheck goes to his BnB and tries for the takedown. If GSP is on his game, this goes one round, maybe two.

    Stevenson vs. Pelligrino : Stevenson. Too strong. He'll fight the winner of B.J. and whoever.

    Grove vs. Cote: Like you said ASU, Cote will be game and could make things tough for Grove. If I'm Kendall, I try and take him down and use my length to my advantage. Kendall seems a little sloppy in standup still and could get caught if he tries to press too much. That worries me too because he's been talking in those interviews like he wants to show what he's learned in it.

    Huerta vs. Crane: This one just has the makings of an upset to me. The UFC has been really pushing Huerta and it just has that feeling of a letdown for the latest guy they're pushing.

    Other stuff: Anxious to see how Babalu does in his fight. I think that might show up on the PPV. If Mir loses is he done or WEC bound? Is it too early to say UFC77 is looking worse than that fight in Ireland?

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    Just random crap:

    I am not excited about this card and will skip it. When I get that feeling, I wait a day and download the show on bittorrent. However, Hendo/Rampage will be a war and I will most definitely get that one. The last time I checked, Hendo is the underdog and I think I may put some money on him.

    If Wanderlei/Chuck happens, I will be a giddy little schoolgirl. They are both not the fighters they used to be, but it will still be an exciting fight. Wanderlei has had time to heal up physically, but mentally I don't know. He got ktfo'd twice in a row, but I still think he has better stand-up than Chuck and is a black belt BJJ and thus is better on the ground.

    And about Shogun... he decimated Alistair Overeem in Vegas without stomps and soccer kicks. I think he will be fine.

    And we should do a thread about all-time favorite fights. Two definites are Fry v Takayama and Newton v Sakuraba.

    And regarding Barnett... maybe his positive steroid test in 2002 has something to do with it. He beat Couture for the title, and tested positive on the post-fight test. I like him too because he was trained by the old-school shooters like Billy Robinson (who also trained pro-wrestlers Ken Patera, the Iron Sheik and RIC FLAIR~) and is all about the pro-wrestling.

    That is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    Just random crap:

    I am not excited about this card and will skip it. When I get that feeling,
    Hmmm interesting. I'm pretty excited about this card. All time legend in Randy. Against the guy who murdered Gonzaga. Plus GSP against a rising star in Koscheck. Not a bad main event+co-main event. Wondering why your not that excited about this card.
    Quote Originally Posted by Roody
    I wait a day and download the show on bittorrent. However, Hendo/Rampage will be a war and I will most definitely get that one. The last time I checked, Hendo is the underdog and I think I may put some money on him.
    That card is free! No need to pay for it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Roody
    If Wanderlei/Chuck happens, I will be a giddy little schoolgirl. They are both not the fighters they used to be, but it will still be an exciting fight. Wanderlei has had time to heal up physically, but mentally I don't know. He got ktfo'd twice in a row, but I still think he has better stand-up than Chuck and is a black belt BJJ and thus is better on the ground
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    I think Wanderlei is a little more of a shot fighter than Chuck. Wanderlei has been through some wars in his career. Chuck just got beat by a guy who has his number.

    Wandy has great stand up but his style is PERFECT for Chuck. The Chute Box guys are all ultra aggresive come forward fighters. Perfect for Chuck's counter punching style. Wandy has good BJJ, but how is he going to get Chuck down. It's a great fight for sure, but one I think the Ice Man takes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roody
    And about Shogun... he decimated Alistair Overeem in Vegas without stomps and soccer kicks. I think he will be fine.
    Yea, Shogun will be fine. Stoms and soccer kicks were a solid part of his game, but he doesn't need them to win.

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    Fight day picks for me:

    Guida v Aurelio:
    Taking Aurelio. I'm just not at all impressed with the pretty boy carpenter. He never really seems to take his fights seriously. He even views this one like he's going to win, because he's due for a win.

    Mir V Hardonk:
    Damn! what a serious drop in value for Mir. From champ, to may not be shown. He's definitely struggled since he came back from the accident, and has never really looked like the old Frank Mir, But I'm taking him for this fight.

    Babalu v Heath:
    I'm going Babalu just on experience. Heath is a really large guy, but Renato has always fought guys that were more muscular. I'm not sure that Heath has the skills to keep Babalu from submitting him.

    Jensen v Leites:
    Tough pick. They are virtually the same on paper, But I'm going Leites. I think his ground game is stronger than Jensen's stand up.

    Cote v Grove:
    Grove. No real reason, just a gut feeling

    Koscheck v GSP:
    GSP. I wasn't all that impressed with Kos's win over Sanchez. Yeah, he's got a good record, but GSP has been champion, he's got something to prove, and his two losses were to the former champ, and the current champ. Besides, he only loses to people named Matt.

    Huerta v Crane:
    Don't know anything about this Crane guy, but I do like Huerta. He's tough, and a smart fighter. I'm going Huerta.

    Couture V Gonzaga:
    I was surprised to see that Randy is taller than Gonzaga. This could work either way for Randy. I'm picking Couture based upon three things; the sentimental choice. He's definitely one of my favorites. Experience. He's got way more experience defending a title than Gonzaga has in trying to get one. The weight. Gonzaga is an inch shorter, and 20 pounds heavier. I think Randy is going to be faster, and able to take advantage of that.

    There you have it. My picks for the fights. Enjoy.

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    It is free? What the hell is Dana doing? I mean, I am stoked as all hell, but he is giving up a boat load of $$$$$ for that fight.

    It is too bad the casual fan has no idea who Dan Henderson is. I talk to guys all the time at work, and while they know every TUF guy, they didn't know Wanderlei Silva. I just watched PRIDE 10 today, and his fight with Guy Metzger was AWESOME! Two guys just beating the crap out of each other.

    And if I have to pick a winner of tonights card, I pick Aurelio over Guida for the fact Aurelio subed Gomi. Sure he lost to Gomi in a rematch, it is still quite the feat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roody View Post
    It is free? What the hell is Dana doing? I mean, I am stoked as all hell, but he is giving up a boat load of $$$$$ for that fight.
    Yea, it's free because the card is in London. Because of the time difference, not that many people are going to buy the card live. So they made it free on Spike.

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    Randy! Completely dominated Gonzaga, that guy just continues to amaze me. Can't believe I doubted him...

    GSP also completey dominated Kos, glad to see him return back to form.

    Also, I saw someone say that theyre going to wait for the torrent tomorrow, I might know of a site where you can watch it live and free.

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    Overall a good night of fights. A couple stoppages and a couple decisions. I think all the fights were fairly compelling and the main event was a good one. I'll start from the top down. Like usual, a short breakdown of the fight as well as a where each guy goes from here.

    Randy Couture-Gabriel Gonzaga

    Man, how can you ever bet against Randy again? Just like the Sylvia fight, Couture came out guns blazing and rocked Gonzaga early. One of the things Randy is best at is making a gameplan. He did a great job of rocking Gonzaga early, and getting inside to close the distance. For the most part, Gonzaga couldn't use his head kicks because Couture was in the clinch.

    I thought Gonzaga did a pretty good job early of avoiding the greco takedown and I think Randy was having some trouble with Gonzaga's size. He did slam Gonzaga pretty good early, but Gonzaga got right back up. When Couture got his second big slam though, his head collided with Gonzaga's head on the follow through and basically destroyed Gonzaga's nose. It was a nasty looking cut. Some people are saying that Gonzaga was looking for a way out when he called Herb Dean over and told him he couldn't see. I disagree, Gonzaga still fought and even landed a pretty heavy head kick on Couture in the 3rd. Randy was just too much.

    There's no one better than Randy at fighting in close as well as pushing the pace. Clearly the pace of the fight wasn't a little too much for Gonzaga. Man, what can you say about Randy that hasn't already been said...

    As to where they go from here. A lot depends on Fedor. If Fedor signs, I think the UFC should set up a Randy-Fedor matchup for December or early 2008. If the Fedor situation drags on, it's a bit less clear. Word is that if Cro-Cop gets by Kongo, the UFC will set up a Cro-Cop-Nogueria #1 contender's match. It makes sense, a Cro-Cop win against Kongo doesn't really make him the #1 contender and Big Nog had a hard time against Herring. Only problem is that kind of leaves Randy in limbo until early 2008. So let's hope the UFC signs Fedor immediantly.

    For Gonzaga, the UFC should give him some time to heal up, he's still a young guy with really good skills. I'm sure he's very much in the UFC's plans. I'd give Gonzaga the loser of Brandon Vera-Tim Sylvia.

    Georges St. Pierre-Josh Koscheck

    Simply put, St Pierre out wrestled the wrestler. Apart from the one takedown Koscheck had, which by the way was pretty impressive because of how explosive it was. GSP took down Kos whenever he wanted and probably more impressively, controlled Kos on the ground. GSP is also a great gameplan and his gameplan was perfect. Solid leg kicks to take some of weight out of Koscheck's double leg. And a nice variety of stand up.

    GSP was working for a Kimura in the second, but Kos showing some craftiness held on to his own shorts so GSP couldn't complete the Kimura. Great job by GSP. I thought he would have a hard time against Kos, but seeing his look coming out of the locker room. Man he looked focused.

    For GSP, predicting his next fight is easy. He gets the winner of Serra-Hughes.

    For Kos, it's a little harder. A loss in the welterweight division is really knocks you down the ladder because the division is so loaded and the AKA guys won't fight each other so you can't match them up. Maybe a fight against Karo would make sense. I'd like to see that one.

    Roger Huerta-Alberto Crane

    The UFC has done a great job of building Huerta. They've tested him with guys who bring a certain skillset to the table. Leonard Garcia was a striker, Doug Evans a wrestler, and Crane a top level BJJ man.

    So far Huerta has passed each test, Crane had Huerta in some dangerous positions and he was able to scramble out of them, he was fairly close to putting an armbar in against Crane. Anyways, Crane offered nothing as far as striking goes and he pretty much got destroyed by Huerta. I thought it was hilarious when Huerta was using the video screen to see where to elbow Crane.

    Next for Huerta, I think the UFC should finally match him up against a true mixed martial artist. How about the winner of Din Thomas-Kenny Florian? Both those guys are multifaceted and I think Huerta is ready for the step up in competition.

    Crane=gatekeeper.

    Joe Stevenson-Kurt Pellegrino

    I thought this was a real good fight. It's always good when you see a nice suplex. Pellegrino was a game fighter, but he his gas tank is just awful. I think he could have won if he didn't gas so quickly.

    Joe on the other hand brought the fight in rounds 2 and 3. Especially in 3. Joe pushed the pace and got the takedowns when he needed them. The fight would have been over in the second if knees on the ground were legal. Joe could have absolutely destroyed Kurt when he had him pinned against the fence.

    I was very impressed by Joe's cardio as well as his Jiu Jitsu in this fight. His transitions were superb and he pretty much controlled Pellegrino whenever he wanted. He went for the Guillotine way too much but he stayed out of Kurt's subs and had his way with him on the ground. Joe's ground and pound was solid as well. Big big elbows.

    Next for Joe, well I guess a lot depends on Sherk's hearing. If Sherk wins his appeal, he fights BJ for the title and that leaves Joe hanging. Which is actually a pretty good situation for the UFC because there are reports that Joe broke his jaw in the fight so he'll be out for awhile.

    If Sherk loses his appeal, I think you have BJ fight Joe for the title. It may seem like a mismatch, but BJ is a tough matchup for everyone. Joe's BJJ isn't at BJ's level but it's pretty damn high. I think that's a good fight.

    For Pellegrino, he still has future in the UFC. He has some nice skills, he just gasses. Maybe set up a Spencer Fisher-Pellegrino fight.

    Patrick Cote-Kendall Grove

    I thought Kendall was doing pretty well in the fight until he got caught by a big punch from Cote. Grove was pushing the pace, landing some nice inside elbows and some nice kicks. In hindsight, he probably should have tried for the takedown earlier in the fight because he's far better on the ground than Cote.

    Cote though, is always in the fight because of his heavy hands and he nailed Grove with a good one. Also did a nice job of finishing Grove when he had him hurt.

    I don't think Cote will ever be a contender in the middlweight division but he's a good fighter to have around. Not sure who to put him in against. Maybe another TUF fighter like Khalib Starnes.

    For Grove, a loss in the MW division isn't so bad because the division isn't as stacked as the others. He's still young with a bright future ahead of him. The UFC might want to give him step down in competition to build his confidence backup. Basically give him Chris Leben.

    Anxious to hear everyone's thoughts!

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    Thoughts and recap:

    Really solid card of fights last night. Pretty competitive overall and there was a lot of action in each of them. Also, THRILLED with the fact that there is another UFC in two weeks.

    Couture v. Gonzaga: Like most, I was picking Gonzaga to run through Couture. Also, like most, I'm starting to think you can't ever pick against Couture. All in all though, Gonzaga didn't look bad and, if not for that cut, might have given Couture some serious trouble. He landed some big shots against Couture and vice versa. I think he'll be a force in that division for a while now. All of a sudden, that HW class is pretty solid when you think about how poor it was about a year ago. Now, Randy. . .I guess he can beat everyone. The question has to be who's next? I actually think they might try to get Couture to fight at the end of the year against Cro-Cop (provided he gets past Kongo). That would set up a potential Cro-Cop/Nog fight. Just seems like that would make a ton of sense to have that as a New Years fight. Unless they push Liddell to fight Wand on that card, I can't think of who would be the main event other than a Randy/someone card. Maybe have two solid fights on there instead of one monster? Wand vs. Shogun and Arlovski vs. Gonzaga?

    GSP vs. Koscheck: Like I thought, GSP ran through Koscheck. Kos was a gamer though. Even though Georges beat him at his own game (impressively), Koscheck looked pretty decent. It was a much more exciting fight than the one against Sanchez was. He looked WAY better than I thought he would on his back, that's for sure. The old "wrestlers are like cockroaches" tag didn't seem to apply in that fight. It will be curious who he fights after this. Karo seems like a good bet too. Winner of that probably gets the loser of GSP vs. Serra/Hughes I'd think.

    Cote vs. Grove: "Kendall seems a little sloppy in standup still and could get caught if he tries to press too much". Yup. Pretty much what happened. Grove didn't look bad, but the problem with a lot of these younger/newer fighters is that they seem to have too much pride for their own good. We always say who's strong in what before these fights, and it seems the fighters are the only ones that don't know. Inevitably, one of them gets caught playing to their weakness. Oh well, I don't think it's that big a deal for Grove other than it setting him back a tiny bit. He's young and he should learn from this. Maybe he'll use his striking to set up his superior JJ from this point on. All the new guys want to KO their opponents. The champions just want to win.

    I. Can't. Wait. That's my thoughts on the next card. Should be a doozy with some of the matchups. Anxious to see how Cro-Cop has developed/adjusted since his last fight. Curious to see how Hendo deals with Rampage's power and how Rampage deals with Hendo's grappling.

    One other thing, I've got a little complaint about the UFC that I'm seeing more and more. It seems that when a popular guy is in a typically separated position, they let it go longer if it's to their advanage, or the break it up quicker if it's to their disadvantage. For example, see Hughes vs. Lytle or last night with Couture holding Gonzaga against the cage, or with Cro-Cop being held down by Gonzaga. I know a lot of it depends on the ref, but it just seems about time they brought in the yellow cards from Pride. It's sometimes frustrating to watch guys just "maintain position" in some of these fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmytheKing View Post

    Now, Randy. . .I guess he can beat everyone. The question has to be who's next? I actually think they might try to get Couture to fight at the end of the year against Cro-Cop (provided he gets past Kongo).
    I'd love to see a Couture-Cro-Cop fight BUT I don't think a win against Kongo means that Cro-Cop earns a title shot. Kongo is a dangerous fighter but he's not that high up the ladder.

    If Cro Cop beats Kongo, I think the UFC sets up a Cro-Cop-Nog fight. They can put that fight on the December card which legitimizes the card even more and sets up a title fight for Couture in early 2008. I think the UFC has enough talent to make a big time PPV without Randy for December.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smythking
    Just seems like that would make a ton of sense to have that as a New Years fight. Unless they push Liddell to fight Wand on that card, I can't think of who would be the main event other than a Randy/someone card.
    The current card has Hughes-Serra as the main event. Pretty big fight already in terms of popularity. Hughes is a very popular guy in the UFC, and people seem to generally like Serra. I think Wanderlei makes his debut on the card, don't think it'll be against Chuck though since Chuck is fighting in September. Kind of a quick turnaround for Chuck there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smythking
    Maybe have two solid fights on there instead of one monster? Wand vs. Shogun and Arlovski vs. Gonzaga?
    I seriously doubt that Wandy and Shogun will ever fight each other. Both those guys are like brothers. Wandy is training in Vegas with Couture, but I still think Wandy and Shogun are close. Even when Wandy had the Pride 205 strap and Shogun was destroying people, he never fought Wandy for the title. I don't think they'll fight each other now.

    Arlovksi-Gonzaga would be a good fight, I'd like to see that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smythking
    Karo seems like a good bet too. Winner of that probably gets the loser of GSP vs. Serra/Hughes I'd think.
    Starting to think about it, they might have GSP fight Karo maybe on the December card. GSP is clearly the #1 contender but he might want a fight and Karo is right there. Karo also deserves a fight like that. Give Koscheck Diego again when he loses to Jon Fitch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smythking
    One other thing, I've got a little complaint about the UFC that I'm seeing more and more. It seems that when a popular guy is in a typically separated position, they let it go longer if it's to their advanage, or the break it up quicker if it's to their disadvantage. For example, see Hughes vs. Lytle or last night with Couture holding Gonzaga against the cage, or with Cro-Cop being held down by Gonzaga. I know a lot of it depends on the ref, but it just seems about time they brought in the yellow cards from Pride. It's sometimes frustrating to watch guys just "maintain position" in some of these fights.
    I don't know, I think UFC refs are for the most part pretty good in terms of standing guys up, restarting action, etc.

    I mean Randy had Gonzaga against the fence and he was doing damage. As far as favoritism goes, Big John did stand Randy up against Sylvia.

    In a heavyweight championship fight, you have to find away to get out of a bad position. Not rely on the ref to break you up. Especially when the other guy is throwing knees, punches, etc. It's pretty simple to me, if Gonzaga thought Couture was just holding him against the fence, don't get taken into the fence.

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