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    Good card last night. Enjoyed seeing 2 Canadians have their hands raised.

    Couture / Gonzaga: Randy was just unbelievable. Yes, he got a little lucky that the slam resulted in Gonzaga's nose being busted open, but he really controlled the fight well and stuck to his gameplan. Never betting against that man again.

    GSP / Koscheck: really showed Kos what it takes to be a top fighter. GSP is just so well rounded. One of the things that has always bugged me about Kos is not that he seems arrogant and cocky, but that he really, truly believes it. Georges out wrestled him and he had no answers for it. Georges took him down at will, and managed to stuff one of the takedowns, which is such a big part of Koscheck's game. Koscheck's striking is horrible. No accuracy at all, just swinging for the fences at all times. Whereas St. Pierre was placing his shot, mixing it up, using great combinations, etc.

    Huerta / Crane: Crane had great submission attempts, but ZERO gas in the tank after about 3 minutes. Huerta is looking great, and him and Joe Daddy are on a collision course.

    Stevensen / Pellegri like Crane, Kurt got gassed and it cost him. One thing I never noticed about Joe before though (maybe because most of his fights don't last that long) was his constant attempt at the guillotine. He's got more tools than that. It seemed to me that he was quite preoccupued with finishing the fight that way. If Kurt had more gas, maybe it would've cost Joe. Luckily, it didn't.

    Cote / Grove: like I mentioned before, I'm not a big fan of Grove, so I enjoyed seeing him lose, especially to a Canadian. Cote got a little lucky with the shot, but when you've got such heavy hands, all you need is a little luck. Just ask Matt Serra.

    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    Starting to think about it, they might have GSP fight Karo maybe on the December card. GSP is clearly the #1 contender but he might want a fight and Karo is right there. Karo also deserves a fight like that. Give Koscheck Diego again when he loses to Jon Fitch.
    ASU, I usually agree with you, but to me this makes no sense. GSP already beat Karo, and I don't think Karo is at the point where the UFC can justify putting him in there against Georges. Then again, Jardine isn't at the point where he can justifiably headline a card facing off against Lidell, so who knows what is running through Dana's mind lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OvertimeHero View Post
    Huerta / Crane: Crane had great submission attempts, but ZERO gas in the tank after about 3 minutes. Huerta is looking great, and him and Joe Daddy are on a collision course.
    Huerta-Stevenson might happen, but there's no way Huerta deserves a fight with Stevenson. Joe has fought a bunch of solid fighters and for the most part has looked impressive. Huerta has beaten 3 hand picked guys. He should fight the winner of Din Thomas-Kenny Florian or even Clay Guida. That would be a proper step up in competition for him.

    Quote Originally Posted by OvertimeHero
    ASU, I usually agree with you, but to me this makes no sense. GSP already beat Karo, and I don't think Karo is at the point where the UFC can justify putting him in there against Georges.
    Thing is, GSP needs a fight. I guess the winner of Diego-Fitch makes sense but are either of those 2 that much ahead of Karo? Karo's a good fighter and the loss to GSP was awhile ago. Plus it was a decision, its not like GSP TKO'd him in round 1.

    Karo is as qualified as anybody. Anyways the latest rumors are that Karo could be fighting Pride import Hayato "Mach" Sakurai(one of my favorite guys). that fight will be a doozy. Mach is a bit small for WW but it'll be a solid fight.

    Anyways, what do you have GSP do from now till early 2008. Certainly he can't just sit around in limbo when there are fights there for him. If not Karo it would have to be the winner of Sanchez-Fitch.

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    In case anyone hasn't seen the Babalu fight where he held onto the choke:

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    I expected more. Wasn't much longer than what BJ did to Jens, and he didn't get fined. Maybe 2 seconds?

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    Huerta-Crane was much more entertaining than I thought it would be. The reversals were just awe-inspiring.

    I think the division has a bit of a problem if Sherk gets stripped because you have three guys (Din Thomas, assuming he wins, Joe Daddy, and Huerta) who all can make arguments for being in the title bout.

    I don't consider Crane all that "hand-picked" as if he's a scrub. Black belt in jiu-jitsu and undefeated, he wasn't a slouch.

    I wasn't impressed with Joe Stevenson's win over Yves Edwards, in which Edwards, to me was frustrating Joe until he got his head split open with an elbow. I thought had the fight continued, Edwards would have stopped him in the second.

    That's not saying I don't think Joe's a hell of a fighter, I think he's found his niche in this weight class. Personally I think Stevenson-Huerta is a better match than Thomas and either of those two. Din's striking is better, but Thomas-Huerta would be a ground war

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crapgame13 View Post

    I think the division has a bit of a problem if Sherk gets stripped because you have three guys (Din Thomas, assuming he wins, Joe Daddy, and Huerta) who all can make arguments for being in the title bout.
    There is no way Huerta is as qualified as Joe Stevenson. Don't buy into the UFC hype machine!

    Quote Originally Posted by Crapgame13
    I don't consider Crane all that "hand-picked" as if he's a scrub. Black belt in jiu-jitsu and undefeated, he wasn't a slouch.
    Frankly Crane was a slouch. He's in no way a Mixed Martial Artist. He threw basically no punches and maybe a handful kicks and his wrestling was non existent. All he had as his grappling. Black belt in Jiu Jitsu doesn't mean anything if you don't strike or wrestle. This isn't UFC 1 where Royce could just school everyone because he was the only one who knew BJJ.

    This was his first fight in the UFC! Again, like I said above, the UFC is doing a really solid job of building up Huerta, but the three guys he has faced have all been hand picked. Garcia-only a striker, Evans-just a wrestler, and now Crane-only a BJJ guy. I'd like to see him fight a Mixed Martial Artist before I'd say he deserves a title shot.

    As far as Din Thomas, I don't really see an argument for him either. He has a three match winning streak but only one win was a good one against Guida. Rich Clementi is a bum I don't really count him. And Stephens it was his first fight in the UFC too. If beats Kenny Florian then yea, maybe he deserves one.

    The only person who deserves a title shot is Joe Stevenson. Hopefully Sherk's appeal is won so he can fight BJ in a big match maybe in November and Joe can get his title shot in early 2008.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crapgame13
    Din's striking is better, but Thomas-Huerta would be a ground war
    Hmmm, I'm not sure why you think Din has better striking than well any of the guy's you mentioned. He's never KO'd anybody in the UFC and he usually tries to pull guard against everybody he faces. If he fights Huerta, I don't think Huerta would want to mess around with Din on the ground. He'd probably sprawl and brawl with Din trying to get takedowns or pull guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OvertimeHero View Post
    In case anyone hasn't seen the Babalu fight where he held onto the choke:


    I expected more. Wasn't much longer than what BJ did to Jens, and he didn't get fined. Maybe 2 seconds?
    The thing is, Babalu freely admitted to holding onto the choke longer than he needed to.

    Apparently he was disrespected by Heath at the weigh in and felt he needed to teach him a lesson.

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    Impressive performance by Babalu though. Throw him in there against Lyoto Machida.

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    Apparently Randy broke his arm blocking one of Gonzaga's kicks.

    http://thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=4673

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy's post-fight press conference
    " You know all the guys up here want to fight the best guys in the World. Most People think the best guy in the world is Fedor. SO BRING HIM ON."
    mad respect

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    Here are the payouts

    The total disclosed payroll for UFC 74 was $755,000.

    Clay Guida — $14,000 total
    $7,000 to show
    $7,000 win bonus

    Marcus Aurelio — $30,000 total
    $30,000 to show
    Win bonus would have been $30,000

    Thales Leites — $18,000 total
    $9,000 to show
    $9,000 win bonus

    Ryan Jensen — $4,000 total
    $4,000 to show
    Win bonus would have been $4,000

    Frank Mir — $66,000 total
    $36,000 to show
    $30,000 win bonus

    Antoni Hardonk — $8,000 total
    $8,000 to show
    Win bonus would have been $8,000

    Renato Sobral — $50,000 total
    $25,000 to show
    $25,000 win bonus

    David Heath — $6,000 total
    $6,000 to show
    Win bonus would have been $6,000

    Patrick Cote — $24,000 total
    $12,000 to show
    $12,000 win bonus

    Kendall Grove — $12,000 total
    $12,000 to show
    Win bonus would have been $12,000

    Joe Stevenson — $32,000 total
    $16,000 to show
    $16,000 win bonus

    Kurt Pellegrino — $8,000 total
    $8,000 to show
    Win bonus would have been $8,000

    Roger Huerta — $34,000 total
    $17,000 to show
    $17,000 win bonus

    Alberto Crane — $4,000 total
    $4,000 to show
    Win bonus would have been $4,000

    Georges St. Pierre — $140,000 total
    $70,000 to show
    $70,000 win bonus

    Josh Koscheck — $10,000 total
    $10,000 to show
    Win bonus would have been $10,000

    Randy Couture — $250,000 total
    $250,000 to show
    No win bonus awarded

    Gabriel Gonzaga — $45,000 total
    $45,000 to show
    Win bonus would have been $45,000

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