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    Quote Originally Posted by TBrown33 View Post
    MY arm started to hurt after watching him plant that arm bar on. Jesus...
    Yea, that looked rough. It reminded me of when Hughes put a Kimura on Joe Riggs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OvertimeHero View Post
    Serra has GOT to be concerned after watching that fight. GSP completely dominated.
    Yea, Serra is ****ED. He's only chance is to throw another big shot and try and catch GSP again.

    I suspect that GSP will look for the takedown immediantly against Serra and will try and pound him out early. Serra is a black belt in Jiu Jitsu but I think GSP is a good enough grappler to not get caught in anything.

    GSP is poised for a Hughes like reign at WW. Which will be really impressive since the division is pretty stacked. Anybody see any tough matchups out there for GSP? Maybe a motivated and in shape BJ Penn? Or perhaps an improving Jon Fitch? I can't think of anybody I would favor over him that is for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OvertimeHero View Post
    Fedor / Hong Man Choi is available for viewing already.

    http://mmafightvideos.blogspot.com/
    Pretty much what we all expected right? Hopefully M-1 gets Fedor in the ring with a legit HW. I'd even be satisfied with a Fedor-Ben Rothwell fight.

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    So what's next for the winners and losers of this last PPV? Let's discuss some future matchups.

    Winners

    Georges St. Pierre

    This one is pretty easy. With this win, St. Pierre sets up his rematch with Serra to determine the true linear champion at Welterweight. I think St. Pierre will win it pretty easily and by then the WW division will be a little bit more clear. I'd imagine that either Karo or or Fitch will be next in line by then.

    Chuck Liddell

    Chuck's next matchup is not so clear cut. I don't think this was a #1 contenders fight since both guys were coming off of 2 straight losses. And since Rampage and Forrest won't be fighting for awhile, it wouldn't have made sense for the winner to wait that long for another fight.

    I think the best for Chuck is Lyoto Machida. Machida deserves a fight against somebody big. He has beaten whoever the UFC has put in front of him. Chuck is a big step up in competition, but Machida's style has stifled everybody and the winner of this fight would deserve a title shot.

    Some have speculated a fight against Shogun, and while I would like to see that happen, Shogun doesn't deserve that fight.

    Lyoto Machida

    Like I said above, Machida deserves a fight against a big name and Chuck is that guy. It makes for a good matchup and the winner easily deserves a shot at the title.

    If the UFC goes another direction it should be Keith Jardine. I think that would make for an interesting clash of styles as well since both guys are so unorthodox.

    Eddie Sanchez

    I'm not really sure why the UFC put this fight on the main card. I mean honestly, I think we all could have gone without seeing Sanchez fight Palelei. I still think Sanchez is a mediocre fighter and I don't expect him to do much in the UFC. This is his second straight win though, so he'll stick around. No idea who he fights next, maybe Vera? but that seems like a waste of time for Vera. I'll be honest I don't really care who Sanchez fights next.

    Rich Clementi

    I'm not a big fan of Melvin so it was cool to see Clementi shut him up and talk some trash after the fight. Clementi showed some nice skills on the ground, but Guillard is so crappy on the mat that we don't really know how good Clementi is. He's a veteran and he's looked improved since I last saw him get tooled by Din Thomas. Maybe give him a fight against Mac Danzig?

    Losers

    Matt Hughes

    Hughes didn't say he would retire but after the fight he certainly hinted at it. I think that the UFC will sell him on one final farewell fight against Matt Serra provided Serra loses against GSP. I think this will be a good situation for Hughes. He can leave the Octagon as a winner and he can settle the "grudge" he has with Serra.

    Final words on Hughes, I was never a big Hughes fan but I didn't really hate him. No matter what your opinion of him is, he will go down as one of the most dominant fights in UFC history and maybe the most dominant fighter at 170 pounds. He had a great career and a great reign as champion. He's just outclassed now by the best but I still think he can beat 95% of the WWs out there. He didn't have the best overall skills but Hughes was a great "winner". He always found a way to get wins in the Octagon even when the chips were down(Trigg, Penn). So I'll give this guy major props and remember him as a one of the best.

    Wanderlei Silva

    Even though Wandy lost he put on a good show. And it's good to see that his rock hard chin was still intact. Silva showed he still has balls of steel and some heavy hands. I mean he did rock the Iceman a couple times in that fight. 205 is a pretty deep division so I think it'll be easy to make a fight for him. I'd love to see him fight Rashad. Rashad needs a step up in competition and a fight with Wandy makes sense. Wandy struggles against wrestlers(Arona, Tito) so it would be interesting to see how he fares against Evans. The winner would get a lot more credibility in the rankings as well.

    Melvin Guillard

    Go the WEC. It's clear that Guillard doesn't belong at the UFC right now. Any guy with decent ground game will be able to submit him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    Pretty much what we all expected right? Hopefully M-1 gets Fedor in the ring with a legit HW. I'd even be satisfied with a Fedor-Ben Rothwell fight.
    Watched the fights. They were ok. Seemed a little biased in some of the judging however. In any case, after seeing those fights, I don't EVER want to hear people talk about the UFC looking like the WWE. I never understood that comparison and, after seeing how DWE and the Pride guys threw this one together, I don't see how there is any doubt who the pro wrestling clones are. The only thing it was missing was Fedor being flown into the ring on a harness.

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    I forgot to talk about Manny in my last post.

    He looked impressive against Mohr, took him down easily and got a pretty vicious submission. I think he should get a rematch with Nate Diaz. He lost that fight cause of injury, there was no real winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    Georges St. Pierre

    This one is pretty easy. With this win, St. Pierre sets up his rematch with Serra to determine the true linear champion at Welterweight. I think St. Pierre will win it pretty easily and by then the WW division will be a little bit more clear. I'd imagine that either Karo or or Fitch will be next in line by then.
    Yeah. No brainer on his next fight. Should be an interesting match. I have no doubt that he took Serra lightly in the first contest, and I know he wants revenge after getting beat like he did.

    He looked unreal against Hughes as well. He doesn't seem to have a single physical weakness in his game. It's scary how good he is. The only question is his mental toughness. He needs to develop that edge I guess. When he speaks he always seems to be acting tough, but I'm not sure I buy it. He's just ungodly talented and relies on it. Not that it's a bad thing.

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    Chuck Liddell

    Chuck's next matchup is not so clear cut. I don't think this was a #1 contenders fight since both guys were coming off of 2 straight losses. And since Rampage and Forrest won't be fighting for awhile, it wouldn't have made sense for the winner to wait that long for another fight.

    I think the best for Chuck is Lyoto Machida. Machida deserves a fight against somebody big. He has beaten whoever the UFC has put in front of him. Chuck is a big step up in competition, but Machida's style has stifled everybody and the winner of this fight would deserve a title shot.

    Some have speculated a fight against Shogun, and while I would like to see that happen, Shogun doesn't deserve that fight.
    I thought the same thing for Liddell and Machida. I think Machida would prove to be a great matchup for Chuck and might give him his toughest fight. Though, since both guys are (more or less) counterpunchers, it could make for an INCREDIBLY boring fight.

    On another note, it was great to see Liddell actually fight against Silva. I'm not sure where it came from, but that is what has been missing from him for several years. Leg kicks, elbows, takedowns, fighting in the clinch, variety. He's become so one-dimensional in the past two years that he's become a bore. That fight was one of the most exciting fights I've seen in years because you had two guys giving their all and forcing the other guy to improvise and get off their gameplan. A big hand to both guys for providing a great demonstration of heart and determination.

    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    Lyoto Machida

    Like I said above, Machida deserves a fight against a big name and Chuck is that guy. It makes for a good matchup and the winner easily deserves a shot at the title.

    If the UFC goes another direction it should be Keith Jardine. I think that would make for an interesting clash of styles as well since both guys are so unorthodox.
    This guy is nothing if not consistent. Every single one of his fights looks the same. Doesn't matter what style the guy comes in with, it ends with Machida doing whatever he wants. To be honest though, he's gotta be one of Dana White's worst nightmares. As talented as he is, he's just as methodical (read: boring). He doesn't have that knockout power nor the explosive submissions. He's a guy who picks someone apart until they don't know what to do and then he pounces and it's over. Dana has to be worried about him beating guys through these wars of attrition.

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    Eddie Sanchez

    I'm not really sure why the UFC put this fight on the main card. I mean honestly, I think we all could have gone without seeing Sanchez fight Palelei. I still think Sanchez is a mediocre fighter and I don't expect him to do much in the UFC. This is his second straight win though, so he'll stick around. No idea who he fights next, maybe Vera? but that seems like a waste of time for Vera. I'll be honest I don't really care who Sanchez fights next.
    I think his was a case of having room to show the fight with the others ending quicker than they though. A filler fight really. I don't believe he was on the main card. They just needed something to fill some time before the two main ones were scheduled to air. I don't really care who he fights either. Though, was a funny thing that Couture. . .err, Team Quest had a rough night.

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    Rich Clementi

    I'm not a big fan of Melvin so it was cool to see Clementi shut him up and talk some trash after the fight. Clementi showed some nice skills on the ground, but Guillard is so crappy on the mat that we don't really know how good Clementi is. He's a veteran and he's looked improved since I last saw him get tooled by Din Thomas. Maybe give him a fight against Mac Danzig?
    I know a lot of people don't like Guillard, but I thought Clementi was just as bad. Just like it annoyed me when Alexandar was standing over guys he just knocked out, Clementi annoyed the hell out of me with that pushing his head down and posing over him. I could live without ever seeing him back in there after that classless display.

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    Matt Hughes

    Hughes didn't say he would retire but after the fight he certainly hinted at it. I think that the UFC will sell him on one final farewell fight against Matt Serra provided Serra loses against GSP. I think this will be a good situation for Hughes. He can leave the Octagon as a winner and he can settle the "grudge" he has with Serra.

    Final words on Hughes, I was never a big Hughes fan but I didn't really hate him. No matter what your opinion of him is, he will go down as one of the most dominant fights in UFC history and maybe the most dominant fighter at 170 pounds. He had a great career and a great reign as champion. He's just outclassed now by the best but I still think he can beat 95% of the WWs out there. He didn't have the best overall skills but Hughes was a great "winner". He always found a way to get wins in the Octagon even when the chips were down(Trigg, Penn). So I'll give this guy major props and remember him as a one of the best.
    Yeah. Totally agree here too. Serra is the only fight that makes sense for him at this point. Only thing is, I don't know how long that will be. Serra might be out until sometime late into next year and then his first fight is obviously GSP. Will Hughes take 8-10 months off for just one more fight? Is that worth it to him? Maybe. Just don't know.

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    Wanderlei Silva

    Even though Wandy lost he put on a good show. And it's good to see that his rock hard chin was still intact. Silva showed he still has balls of steel and some heavy hands. I mean he did rock the Iceman a couple times in that fight. 205 is a pretty deep division so I think it'll be easy to make a fight for him. I'd love to see him fight Rashad. Rashad needs a step up in competition and a fight with Wandy makes sense. Wandy struggles against wrestlers(Arona, Tito) so it would be interesting to see how he fares against Evans. The winner would get a lot more credibility in the rankings as well.
    Man, what a battle. Again, these guys put on a show. With that division so stacked, there are plenty of matchups for him. You mentioned Rashad. . .which is alright, but he's coming off of two lackluster performances against an injured Tito and a small Bisping. I'm not sure he'd be able to handle Wand, nor would he deserve it. I'd like to see Wand fight Jardine instead as Jardine deserves another big fight after beating Chuck. Or maybe have Tito and Wand match up again? Either way, I think his next fight will be another battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmytheKing View Post
    Yeah. No brainer on his next fight. Should be an interesting match. I have no doubt that he took Serra lightly in the first contest, and I know he wants revenge after getting beat like he did.

    He looked unreal against Hughes as well. He doesn't seem to have a single physical weakness in his game. It's scary how good he is. The only question is his mental toughness. He needs to develop that edge I guess. When he speaks he always seems to be acting tough, but I'm not sure I buy it. He's just ungodly talented and relies on it. Not that it's a bad thing.

    Yea, he definitley took Serra lightly and I think it is more difficult defending the belt rather than trying to win the belt.

    I think GSP is over his mental weakness thing. I don't think it is that big a deal. He got over a big hurdle when he beat Hughes for the second time and I think losing to Serra might have been a good thing in the long run. I'm anxious for him to get this Serra fight out of the way so he can fight some real contenders like Karo, Fitch, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmytheKing
    I thought the same thing for Liddell and Machida. I think Machida would prove to be a great matchup for Chuck and might give him his toughest fight. Though, since both guys are (more or less) counterpunchers, it could make for an INCREDIBLY boring fight.
    Great point on a Liddell-Machida being a potentially boring fight. They're styles don't exactly make for an exciting fight, however I think the fight makes the most sense as far as who deserves a title shot. I think Chuck would have to be the aggressor in the fight and force Machida to engage. Then he would be able to catch him when Machida tries to counter. I don't think it'll be an exciting fight, but whoever wins will definitely be the rightful contender.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmytheKing
    On another note, it was great to see Liddell actually fight against Silva. I'm not sure where it came from, but that is what has been missing from him for several years. Leg kicks, elbows, takedowns, fighting in the clinch, variety. He's become so one-dimensional in the past two years that he's become a bore. That fight was one of the most exciting fights I've seen in years because you had two guys giving their all and forcing the other guy to improvise and get off their gameplan. A big hand to both guys for providing a great demonstration of heart and determination.
    Chuck fought a great fight. I think when he's thinks he is in control and is comfortable we see stuff like the leg kicks and the spinning backfist. Also the uppercuts. I think the last time I saw him use so many strikes was against Babalu. He used a variety of strikes in that fight even throwing in a head kick.

    That double leg takedown had everyone at the party just shocked. Well the guys who knew what was going on. The last time I saw Chuck shoot for a takedown was against Allstair Overeem when Overeem was hurting Chuck standing up. He shot for the takedown out of necessity.

    It was really smart to shoot for the takedown in the third. Just gave Wanderlei another thing to worry about and it also scored some points. I hope we see Chuck fight like this from now on. It's clear he still has a few more fights left in him.
    Quote Originally Posted by SmytheKing
    I think his was a case of having room to show the fight with the others ending quicker than they though. A filler fight really. I don't believe he was on the main card. They just needed something to fill some time before the two main ones were scheduled to air.
    Pretty sure it was on the main card. Even if it wasn't, there were plenty of other fights they could have put on. Like the Manny fight, they could have showed that one earlier or put in on the main card. I think the Sanchez fight was the swing fight, so it was on the main card.

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    Though, was a funny thing that Couture. . .err, Team Quest had a rough night.
    Well remember that Couture isn't affliated with Team Quest anymore. Hasn't been for awhile. Team Quest is mainly a Dan Henderson/Matt Linland team now. Couture has his own team based out of Vegas now. Xtreme Couture.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmytheKing
    You mentioned Rashad. . .which is alright, but he's coming off of two lackluster performances against an injured Tito and a small Bisping. I'm not sure he'd be able to handle Wand, nor would he deserve it. I'd like to see Wand fight Jardine instead as Jardine deserves another big fight after beating Chuck. Or maybe have Tito and Wand match up again? Either way, I think his next fight will be another battle.
    Jardine-Wanderlei makes sense, but I think that Jardine's next fight should be a #1 contenders fight. If Wandy beats Jardine I still don't think he should get a shot at the belt. Jardine seems to be stuck in limbo. I'm not sure what is going to happen with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz View Post
    Yea, he definitley took Serra lightly and I think it is more difficult defending the belt rather than trying to win the belt.

    I think GSP is over his mental weakness thing. I don't think it is that big a deal. He got over a big hurdle when he beat Hughes for the second time and I think losing to Serra might have been a good thing in the long run. I'm anxious for him to get this Serra fight out of the way so he can fight some real contenders like Karo, Fitch, etc.
    I hope so. The guy has so much talent and it would be a shame to see him not be able to get over that mental hump. I agree that beating Hughes was big for that. Really shows him that he's for real and that it wasn't some fluke the first time. I'll be honest, if he's over the mental trouble, I don't see a single person in that class that can beat him. He outwrestled the two best wrestlers in that division and there aren't a lot of big strikers that could pick him apart. Karo wouldn't be able to use his endurance or throws because GSP is just as conditioned and I have no reason to believe Karo is as strong as him.

    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz
    Great point on a Liddell-Machida being a potentially boring fight. They're styles don't exactly make for an exciting fight, however I think the fight makes the most sense as far as who deserves a title shot. I think Chuck would have to be the aggressor in the fight and force Machida to engage. Then he would be able to catch him when Machida tries to counter. I don't think it'll be an exciting fight, but whoever wins will definitely be the rightful contender.
    Yeah, I hope that the fight happens because, you're right. Machida deserves a fight to get himself a shot. Boring or not, you have to establish who belongs. Have them fight in April or something to fight the winner of Rampage/Forrest. Though, I'm not sure Chuck deserves that fight yet either. Yes the win against Silva was big. . .but he's still 1-2 in his last three and the guy he beat is now 0-3 in his last three. He should have to win another one. Seems like he'd get a quick shot at the belt if he beats Machida. I don't know.

    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz
    Well remember that Couture isn't affliated with Team Quest anymore. Hasn't been for awhile. Team Quest is mainly a Dan Henderson/Matt Linland team now. Couture has his own team based out of Vegas now. Xtreme Couture.
    Don't bring me down with your stuff, man. : P

    Quote Originally Posted by ASUcruz
    Jardine-Wanderlei makes sense, but I think that Jardine's next fight should be a #1 contenders fight. If Wandy beats Jardine I still don't think he should get a shot at the belt. Jardine seems to be stuck in limbo. I'm not sure what is going to happen with him.
    Yeah, maybe Jardine/Machida instead of Chuck? Like I said above, I don't know that Chuck deserves a shot quite yet. Hell, if Silva beats Henderson, why not a Hendo/Liddell fight? That could be an interesting fight.

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    just get all the Pride lovers mad and put Shogun and Silva in a match

    Jardine deserves better, he's the only 205 on an upswing that can't get a match with a guy who won their last match it seems

    Loved the Melvin loss, but then again, I'm tired of seeing that jerk on ppv's

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