Thread: WWE RAW, Smackdown, & PPV Discussion Thread 2012 & 2013

I've started watching a bit more this summer since you can watch every episode of TNA/WWE on youtube commercial free immediately. Now I can watch them in 20 minutes (lmao). The Raw 1000 was actually pretty damn good(Lita!!!), just missed Austin showing up but they filled the time pretty well. Other than Austin most of the guys I missed being there unfortunately aren't alive and from the early days of Raw (Owen Hart, Macho Man, British Bulldog, Mr. Perfect, Earthquake, Goldust.)

As for the product itself, the WWE still constantly frustrates me. Mainly because Shamus and Del Rio basically still win every match they are in and it's pretty damn ridiculous. They are lucky Jericho is sells so well and willing at putting over other wrestlers week in and week out. A few weeks ago he hit 3 finishers on Shamus and then loses to a single brogue kick, stupid. Shocking! That coupled with the typical Show/Cena/Punk DQ finish needs to be shelved. They've also decided to turn mid-carders into random jobbers for whatever reason every week(Ryder, Swagger, Sin Cara, even Ziggler.) You have to have the possibility of a win and right now the WWE is completely failing in that area. When you know they are going to lose to Del Rio, Damian Sandow(WTF), Ryback in advance every time it's terrible booking, especially when most of these guys really could perform well enough for a title push(and have shown they can). The funny thing is I think they are about to push Jinder Mahal and he is an absolutely dreadful wrestler and another terrible heel.

There have been some positives. Punk going heel is a move in the right direction simply to change up the championship dynamics. Bryan/Punk/Jericho are still great pretty much every week in and out of the ring. Also, Christian/Miz had 2 great matches since Miz returned. The unfortunate thing is I knew the WWE would have the title change hands when Miz returned since they don't have the balls to do it elsewhere. They are also slowly putting the tag team division w/managers back together with some decent matches.

Originally Posted by lagwagon0

I've started watching a bit more this summer since you can watch every episode of TNA/WWE on youtube commercial free immediately. Now I can watch them in 20 minutes (lmao). The Raw 1000 was actually pretty damn good(Lita!!!), just missed Austin showing up but they filled the time pretty well. Other than Austin most of the guys I missed being there unfortunately aren't alive and from the early days of Raw (Owen Hart, Macho Man, British Bulldog, Mr. Perfect, Earthquake, Goldust.)

As for the product itself, the WWE still constantly frustrates me. Mainly because Shamus and Del Rio basically still win every match they are in and it's pretty damn ridiculous. They are lucky Jericho is sells so well and willing at putting over other wrestlers week in and week out. A few weeks ago he hit 3 finishers on Shamus and then loses to a single brogue kick, stupid. Shocking! That coupled with the typical Show/Cena/Punk DQ finish needs to be shelved. They've also decided to turn mid-carders into random jobbers for whatever reason every week(Ryder, Swagger, Sin Cara, even Ziggler.) You have to have the possibility of a win and right now the WWE is completely failing in that area. When you know they are going to lose to Del Rio, Damian Sandow(WTF), Ryback in advance every time it's terrible booking, especially when most of these guys really could perform well enough for a title push(and have shown they can). The funny thing is I think they are about to push Jinder Mahal and he is an absolutely dreadful wrestler and another terrible heel.

There have been some positives. Punk going heel is a move in the right direction simply to change up the championship dynamics. Bryan/Punk/Jericho are still great pretty much every week in and out of the ring. Also, Christian/Miz had 2 great matches since Miz returned. The unfortunate thing is I knew the WWE would have the title change hands when Miz returned since they don't have the balls to do it elsewhere. They are also slowly putting the tag team division w/managers back together with some decent matches.

Ryder - had the title but couldn't get the crowd to care after.
Swagger - there's already too many big wrestlers fighting for the spotlight and it's also hard for fans to see him as a bad ass with a lisp (not trying to make fun of him).
Sin Cara - just like Mysterio and Orton....too many failed tests.
Ziggler - the real deal heel.

Originally Posted by Kingsfan626

Ryder - had the title but couldn't get the crowd to care after.
Swagger - there's already too many big wrestlers fighting for the spotlight and it's also hard for fans to see him as a bad ass with a lisp (not trying to make fun of him).
Sin Cara - just like Mysterio and Orton....too many failed tests.
Ziggler - the real deal heel.

I don't really disagree for the most part and I never expect Sin Cara for one to be a title contender but for me it all ties into the WWE's insistence on refusing to let certain wrestlers ever suffer a clean pin.

AW just got released tonight. =x That sucks. I liked his character and Primetime Players.

Originally Posted by TooCool

AW just got released tonight. =x That sucks. I liked his character and Primetime Players.

wasn't a big fan of his but boy did he get a raw deal, I wasn't offended by the comment because it happened a long time ago and I'm sure this generation of fans had no clue what he was talking about till an "adult" told them they should be offended.

if anything maybe suspend him or like they did in the old days punish him in the ring APA style.

he did take some shots though, so good for him, eventhough he may have burned his bridges in the E

AWPromotions is no more ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for your support and hate, it's been a great run. Now I get to do me which isn't PG." ... "I've offended the wrong people that taught me how to have ATTITUDE It was the #WWE that made me bold and now it has turned it's back on me. Let this be a lesson to up and coming talent in the WWE don't try and be great like the Rock or Stone Cold. WWE isn't the same... Just be normal shut up and be a yes man so you can collect your check and feel like your special. #SELLOUTS!! I remember a time when the WWE didn't care about breaking the mold but now everyone is so afraid of their own shadow. #RemeberTheFans"

I stopped watching WWE right around the johnny ace storylines and was thinking about jumping back in but I may just wait till Linda Mac loses her senate campaign and the PC overreaction is turned down.

I wasn't a fan of AW either, but how PC can you get? I am enjoying watching SMW, USWA and old WWF from the early 90s that is much better than the crapfest the E feeds us now.

Hypocrites.

WWE Summerslam PPV Predictions

Money in the Bank was an okay PPV. I believe I got every single prediction right only because well... it was obvious. Now it's time for Summerslam. I'll be at Staples Center once again with Dexter and Watti. They actually have 7 advertised matches this time around. I remember last year, we barely got 5 announced.

The match I'm *REALLY* looking forward to is Dolph Ziggler vs Chris Jericho. The match I'm *LEAST* looking forward to is Sheamus vs Alberto Del Rio.

What's really interesting though is that Randy Orton and Christian, the two guys who fought last year during Summerslam for the World Heavyweight Title... don't have a match on the PPV.

They might add in Brodus Clay vs Damien Sandow. I could have sworn they added this a few weeks ago, but they seemingly took it out. We'll have to wait and see then...


United States Championship Match: Santino Marella (US Champion) vs Antonio Cesaro w/Aksana

For once, this pre-show match has a minor storyline going into the PPV. Antonio Cesaro has two victories over Santino on Smackdown the last few weeks. Cesaro even taunted Santino this past Friday. I'm sure we can all agree that Santino Marella has made the US Title completely worthless. It's not his fault though... he's just booked as a comedian all the time and his matches are completely nonsense.

It would be amazing if they actually have Santino lose this match and allow Cesaro to become the US Champion, just for a change. Unfortunately, due to WWE logic... Cesaro having won 2 matches against Santino will only mean that he'll lose this one. All the pre-show matches so far, the faces have won just to get the crowd going. Another letdown is that Santino was out for commentary when they taped WWE Saturday Morning Slam (Airing Aug 25), and according to reports... he still had the US Title on him.

I just hope Antonio looks good in this match somehow. Maybe he can dominate the match only to get surprised by a Cobra or something.

My Prediction: Santino Marella retains the US Title by pinfall.

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WWE Tag Team Championship Match: Kofi Kingston & R-Truth vs Prime Time Players (Darren Young & Titus O'Neil)

With AW gone from the WWE, I hope that doesn't mean PTP will fade into nothingness. Kofi and Truth have done nothing significant with the Tag Team Titles. I think it's time for some new blood, and hopefully we'll get new feuds for the Tag division. Honestly, having Kofi and Truth retain here would do nothing for the tag division. (With that said, that is very likely of WWE... lol crap)

This match is probably the weakest on the card, so hopefully it'll go first and they can get it over with. I'll be pulling for D Young to win some gold!!!

My Prediction: Prime Time Players win the WWE Tag Team Championship by pinfall.


Intercontinental Championship Match: The Miz (IC Champion) vs Rey Mysterio

Meh, there's no buildup for this match really. The Miz and Rey Mysterio fought each other a few times on Smackdown, just because. I don't see the need for Rey Mysterio to win the IC title again here. The Miz needs the title more ever since he got buried. But now The Miz is back, and they're calling him a "movie star" and all that good stuff. Plus, WWE had an exclusive youtube feature where The Miz asked everyone who they thought was going to win at Summerslam. Everyone said Rey Mysterio... which means The Miz will likely prove people wrong yet again.

My Prediction: The Miz retains the Intercontinental Championship by pinfall with the Skull Crushing Finale.


Chris Jericho vs Dolph Ziggler

This match has the potential to steal the show. For the record, I want Dolph Ziggler to win this... but I have too many heels winning, so I'll pick Chris Jericho here.

The storyline for this match is that Ziggler called out Jericho and said he doesn't have it anymore. Ziggler said that Jericho needs to step away from the spotlight and let people like him shine. I wonder if they were going with this storyline all the way back since the Royal Rumble because Jericho has not won a PPV match since his return. Plus, we all know he's going away again after Summerslam.

So what I'm thinking is that these two will be neck and neck... and Jericho wins with a surprise roll-up or something to prove that he's still "got it." However, Ziggler could be so pissed that he assaults Jericho and "injures" him. That way, Jericho can disappear and Ziggler can look as strong as ever. Who knows, maybe Ziggler could cash in his contract on Sheamus as well...

Either way, this should be fun. Ziggler probably needs the win, but at the same time, I think Jericho needs one too.

My Prediction: Chris Jericho wins by pinfall.


Kane vs Daniel Bryan

Daniel Bryan can make any match awesome. They made this match because they wanted Charlie Sheen to be involved in some capacity... but they haven't announced anything regarding his whereabouts. I think it's because they're afraid of advertising ahead of time, and then Charlie Sheen bailing at the last minute. (We all know he'll pull some crap like that.) With that said, this is why I think Kane is going to win. Whether it'll be an interference by Charlie Sheen or AJ, they're going to find some way to make Daniel Bryan lose because of his "anger problems".

My Prediction: Kane wins by pinfall.


World Heavyweight Championship Match: Sheamus (World Heavyweight Champion) vs Alberto Del Rio w/Ricardo Rodriguez

Storyline wise, this match is the least intriguing of them all. Sheamus has been a complete bore lately with his typical babyface victories. HHH is BFFs with Sheamus, so that's why Sheamus is having a long title reign. Alberto Del Rio has been the #1 contender how many times now? If you want to make him a threatening heel, you need to let him win. It's a shame because I just don't see Alberto Del Rio winning at Summerslam.

Quick story recap here... Alberto Del Rio is the #1 Contender. Sheamus steals his car and goes on a joyride. Booker T (Smackdown GM) actually punished Sheamus by rewarding Del Rio a World Heavyweight Title match on Smackdown. Del Rio however, hired fake police officers to beat down Sheamus. Booker T calls off the match at Summerslam because Sheamus is "injured". But now the match is back on because Sheamus wants to kick Del Rio's arse...

My Prediction: Sheamus retains the World Heavyweight Championship by pinfall.

Will Dolph Ziggler cash in his contract? Too soon I think...


HHH vs Brock Lesnar w/Paul Heyman

I'm excited for this because it'll be the first time I get to see Brock Lesnar LIVE!!! Brock needs this win badly, and not because I'm a huge fan of his. I think the match he had with Cena at Extreme Rules was really poor booking. Lesnar dominated Cena for 20+ minutes if you recall, only for Cena to come back to win by using TWO MOVES. SERIOUSLY! TWO MOVES.

HHH, not being a full-time wrestler doesn't really need to win here. I think it's okay to put Brock over now. If HHH wins, then bringing back Brock Lesnar is a complete mistake. Why bring him back to have him lose? This match is going to be a "fight". Hopefully we can see lots of tables, chairs, sledgehammers, chains, and whatever..

My Prediction: Brock Lesnar wins by pinfall.


WWE Championship Match: Big Show vs CM Punk (WWE Champion) vs John Cena

I still don't know why Big Show was added to this match. He's not a threat at all and I don't think anyone can see him winning this one. The story going into this one is that CM Punk is sick and tired of being overlooked. He's been the WWE Champ for like 9 months and haven't main evented in a while. Punk turned heel slowly by making it all about him... almost acting the exact same way when he was leading the Straight Edge Society.

Now keep in mind, Punk isn't 100% heel... yet. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some kind of stable revival. Something that will help CM Punk retain the title so that the focus can continue to be on him. It makes no sense for him to chase the title now after the focus has just barely been on him. But of course, all that could be thrown out the window and Cena could win... just because he's John Cena. =\

I'm going to stick with my original choice, and that is CM Punk retaining.

My Prediction: CM Punk retains the WWE Championship by pinfall.

Not too great this time Melf. Fred Durst was kicked out for flipping off the camera what a moran!