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    Fast-food worker strikes coming to Los Angeles; higher wages sought - latimes.com

    I hope they succeed in getting their $15/hour.

    It'll raise costs for the employer, raise fast-food prices, price customers out of the market, and take down the industry.

    They're only peddling garbage afterall, destroying peoples' health.

    Parks can take over the real-estate once held by fast-food joints.

    Yeah, I'm dreaming.
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    Higher wages should only come as the result of a couple things: an individual's increased education or increased on-the-job experience. Paying that much for a job that requires zero expertise or education is ludicrous. It does exactly the same thing as the artificial and arbitrary establishment of minimum wage laws: it reduces the total number of jobs available.



    Quote Originally Posted by Bogey View Post
    It'll raise costs for the employer, raise fast-food prices, price customers out of the market, and take down the industry.
    Employers won't allow their costs to be raised in this manner. Their businesses thrive on providing cheap food, which requires low operating costs. They will trim their staff to bare minimum, putting more people out of work. Or they would close altogether (which is what I would do were I a restaurant owner). So I don't know if "taking down the industry" is possible, but it sure may shrink a lot.

    It's going to be difficult to keep this thread from going political, simply because the difference in thinking as to what garners and constitutes "fair wages" is right along political lines.
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    FWIW, 10 years ago when me and a buddy were making our first salaried jobs we tried to figure how much money it would take us to leave and just flip burgers for a living. We decided on $20/hr (more than we made then) and we could probably live with ourselves.

    These people that want wages like this for these jobs need to realize they don't want career people working fast food. High turnover is built into the job description to avoid any semblance of cost of living increases. It's a stepping stone job.
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    It's a job you have while still in high school and are living at home.

    The problem I have with this is the people's flat-out refusal to think.

    Right now, you've already got employers under pressure to reduce costs due to the new medical insurance requirements. They are trimming the workforce to keep themselves from incurring huge losses. Now, you've got these folks demanding an almost doubling of their wages for zero increase in productivity. It will go from their labor producing individual profit per employee to their labor producing individual loss. Why would any employer hire someone just to lose money by hiring them?

    The SEIU needs a good union-busting.
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    Average age of the fast food worker is 27-28. This is a symptom of a much larger, and much more serious problem than fast food workers wanting 15 bucks an hour.

    At the end of the day, I really do not care. I do not care that fast food prices will increase, or that these workers will probably be replaced by people who just need a job to to get a few bucks. I do not feel bad for the corporations since they are raking in huge- record setting profits, at the cost of their customers health. Not because I care about the customers health, but because their health ends up costing me the taxpayer.
    At the end of the day, I favor people doing whatever they can to squeeze their employer for every last cent. But I am also in favor of the employer doing what they must to keep their shareholders happy. So, good luck both sides. I hope the fast food industry suffers.
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    Corporate profits are at an all time high, while over the past three decades, labor wages have remained almost stagnant and executive pay has increased anywhere from 300% to 2000%. Taco Bell made enough of a PROFIT last year that it could have afforded to pay EVERY employee an extra $17,500 a year. If they took a long hard look at the 100's of millions a year in golden parachutes and bonus packages that the handful of executives receive for "thinking", it's small wonder that the thousands of laborers who punch a clock and stand and lift and sweat, the ones who created that wealth, are a little pissed off that they can't make ends meet. Product prices wouldn't have to increase a cent, 'Joe Executive' would just have to sacrifice the yacht with the heli-pad, and settle for the speedboat.

    On that note, every one who earns a wage for a living, please take a minute to thank unions for the many luxuries you enjoy. Weekends, all breaks at work, paid vacation, sick leave, social security, prohibition of employer discrimination, 8-hour work day, overtime pay, child labor laws, 40 hour work week, worker’s compensation, unemployment insurance, pensions, workplace safety standards and regulations, employer health care insurance, wrongful termination laws, compensation increases and evaluations, sexual harassment laws, holiday pay, privacy rights, pregnancy and parental leave, military leave, and many, many more.

    You surely don't think your employer gives these things out of the kindness of their hearts? People fought and died for these, and whether you're a union member or not, you must acknowledge that you enjoy these things because labor organized and fought for it.


    The funny part, every time labor did fight for all that I've listed, all what we consider normal employment, the employing class cried "Raised costs for the employer, will raise consumer prices, and take down the industry!"


    It was bullcrap all those times, and it's bullcrap now.



    And now, a little rally cry for the working men and women, who don't "profit" of the backs of others.

    "Solidarity Forever"

    When the union’s inspiration through the workers blood shall run
    There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun
    Yet what force on Earth is weaker than the feeble force of one but
    The union makes us strong

    Chorus:
    Solidarity Forever
    Solidarity Forever
    Solidarity Forever
    For the union makes us strong

    Is there aught we hold in common with the greedy parasite
    Who would lash us into serfdom and would crush us with his might
    Is there anything left to us but to organize and fight? For…
    The union makes us strong

    (Chorus)

    It is we who plowed the prairies, build the cities where they trade
    Dug the mines and build the workshops, endless miles of RR laid
    Now we stand outcast and starving ‘mid the wonders we have made but
    The union makes us strong

    (Chorus)

    They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn
    But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel can turn
    We can break their haughty power, gain our freedom when we learn that
    The union makes us strong

    (Chorus)

    In our hands is placed a power greater than their hoarded gold
    Greater than the might of armies magnified a thousand-fold
    We can bring to birth a new world from the ashes of the old for
    But the union makes us strong


    (Chorus)



    They say our day is over; they say our time is through
    They say you need no union if your collar isn't blue
    Well that is just another lie the boss is telling you
    For the Union makes us strong!

    (Chorus)

    They divide us by our color; they divide us by our tongue
    They divide us men and women; they divide us old and young
    But they'll tremble at our voices, when they hear these verses sung
    For the Union makes us strong!

    (Chorus)
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    I'd be willing to throw down an extra buck for my burger king original chicken sandwich.

    not an extra 2 bucks though..
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    Quote Originally Posted by juliochango View Post
    Average age of the fast food worker is 27-28. This is a symptom of a much larger, and much more serious problem than fast food workers wanting 15 bucks an hour.

    At the end of the day, I really do not care. I do not care that fast food prices will increase, or that these workers will probably be replaced by people who just need a job to to get a few bucks. I do not feel bad for the corporations since they are raking in huge- record setting profits, at the cost of their customers health. Not because I care about the customers health, but because their health ends up costing me the taxpayer.
    At the end of the day, I favor people doing whatever they can to squeeze their employer for every last cent. But I am also in favor of the employer doing what they must to keep their shareholders happy. So, good luck both sides. I hope the fast food industry suffers.
    Exactly. The days of fast food being a high schooler's job are long gone. Same with pizza delivery. These are now 2nd/3rd jobs for adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucsdguy1 View Post
    I'd be willing to throw down an extra buck for my burger king original chicken sandwich.

    not an extra 2 bucks though..
    Right. But the people that run those establishments will over simplify it, and say they MUST raise prices 300% because of their laborforce, and because of healthcare. Because, they do not want to lessen that bottom line. Which to me, fine. At some point, the market will set the prices. Fast food will have an option, raise their prices through the roofs, so they can pay their employees a liveable salary and health benefits, or they start lessening their margin. If they favor the former, then I am willing to bet a lot of people will start thinking twice about fast food. That "convenience" factor will be diminished. To no ones shock, the fast food industry will then just find a way to deal with it.
    Again, at the end of the day, the two sides have every right to fight it out. WE, the consumers, will ultimately decide what is a reasonable price for their service and product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kubrick View Post
    Exactly. The days of fast food being a high schooler's job are long gone. Same with pizza delivery. These are now 2nd/3rd jobs for adults.
    To your point, I saw a piece on the never ending comparison of those days to these days. Some hack was talking about how back in the 70's his salary at some fast food joint was a certain $ amount. And how he had to work his way up, to be able to get a decent wage. Well, adjusted for inflation, that crappy initial salary ended up being something like 15 bucks an hour. Like King Thomas mentioned above, salaries have been stagnant for the better part of 30 years. Including minimum salary.

    I am not pretending to have the answers. I just know there is a severe problem with the incomes of the lower and middle class.

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