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    Wow, very in depth and very interesting. Thanks FBJ

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    F me. I will make sure to be more choosie if I ever travel international again. I hope the FAA scrutinizes them a bit more.

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    The latest report says that the pilot was on his first 777 flight and the co-pilot was on his first pilot training flight. Yikes.
    Last edited by job; July 10th, 2013 at 11:39 AM.

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    Really, those facts are not an issue. They were both very experienced aviators in terms of total flight time. After a certain point, one Boeing is another Boeing with the exception of some systems differences. This is NOT about their experience level. Those facts are presented for no other reason than to provide an anchor for newsie drama. If you knew how many times a DAY that very combination occurs in airliners across the world, would you drive everywhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBJ View Post
    Really, those facts are not an issue. They were both very experienced aviators in terms of total flight time. After a certain point, one Boeing is another Boeing with the exception of some systems differences. This is NOT about their experience level. Those facts are presented for no other reason than to provide an anchor for newsie drama. If you knew how many times a DAY that very combination occurs in airliners across the world, would you drive everywhere?
    Scarier thought, try driving by a community college and thinking of all those kids who just got a car for going to college....

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    so, as was described in details in a pilot's blog posted earlier in this thread, it sure sounds like the auto throttle was being used that brought the airspeed down way too low at 80 rather than a standard 140-170? this would explain the too-late-to-cancel-landing thruster being initiated as witnessed by the pilot sitting a few hundred yards away waiting for a takeoff.

    I sincerely doubt that the "culture role" played into the miscommunication that occurred between the pilots in the cockpit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerMan View Post
    so, as was described in details in a pilot's blog posted earlier in this thread, it sure sounds like the auto throttle was being used that brought the airspeed down way too low at 80 rather than a standard 140-170? this would explain the too-late-to-cancel-landing thruster being initiated as witnessed by the pilot sitting a few hundred yards away waiting for a takeoff.

    I sincerely doubt that the "culture role" played into the miscommunication that occurred between the pilots in the cockpit.
    Would seem to be the pilots basic and "only" job is to watch the airspeed and altitude monitors, might of been fine if you were piloting something smaller but a 777 is of a large airframe that requires more airspeed to land than say a 737.
    I make some stuff for the Boeing's but will leave this to the pilots who know their stuff. Thanks FBJ for your input.

    But I will say this, having an asian partner (wife) for many years, the culture thing is ingrained so when you are at my house if you reach for a pencil remember the pointed end is up, if you reach in to the dishwasher for a fork...........I don't fight the little stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by empire View Post
    when you are at my house if you reach for a pencil remember the pointed end is up, if you reach in to the dishwasher for a fork...........I don't fight the little stuff.
    My wife does this and she is not Asian, it bugs the crap out of me and I explain to her every time why not to do this.
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    "Sources in the country's transport ministry confirmed Bong Dong Won - who was in the cockpit jump seat - repeatedly yelled "sink rate" in the final minute before the crash, it was reported.

    If the sink rate - the rate of decrease in altitude - was checked when Mr Bong raised the alarm, it may have prevented the plane from hitting the seawall as it landed at San Francisco Airport, reports said.

    But the two pilots at the controls - Lee Kang Kuk and his instructor Lee Jung Min - apparently did not respond to Mr Bong's shouted warnings, the respected Joongang Daily newspaper said."

    San Francisco Crash: Pilot Warnings 'Ignored'

    'Blinded By Light'

    San Francisco Crash Pilot 'Blinded By Light'

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    If that is true then the younger pilot shouted numerous warnings but was ignored by the two senior and older pilots.

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