Daxx, once you've made your choice on weapons, try this place for purchasing the weapon and the ammo. Cheaper Than Dirt - America's Ultimate Sports Discounter
they can walk you through all the nonsense of purchasing in California, get the best price for the weapons and ammo.
ammo, good Lord. It is a nightmare to find and insanely expensive. Keep that in mind when choosing your hand gun.
I prefer Glocks. I have small hands too, but a Glock 30 is 45 cal. and I have no problems with it. It is my weapon of choice and the one I carry in my shoulder holster as I have a CCW
Randy and I don't disagree on much, but cheaperthandirt.com is pretty much a last resort for me these days when it comes to guns and ammo (accessories, on the other hand, is a different story...they have EVERYTHING). They have great prices on ammunition (when they have what you're looking for lately, which is more political climate than their own issues), but then you get to the checkout page and realize they charge you out the ass to get it to you, which brings the pricing up to more than you could get it locally by special order. They've got this six-warehouse thing (or however many they have), and if you have a multiple-item order, you'd better make sure each item is from the same warehouse or they WILL charge you separate shipping and handling charges for each shipment from each warehouse.
With guns, you get charged by CTD shipping and an FFL transfer fee (as you need to have it shipped to a local dealer). THEN, the local FFL will likely charge you a transfer fee (for using his FFL as a ship-to) in addition to the CA DOJ Dealers Record of Sale fee. I'm just saying...the extra costs add up quickly and before you know it if you're not savvy, a good deal turns into a wash or even a deal where you're paying more than you would if you had just walked into Turner's and bought it off the rack or had them order it for you from their distributers.
If you simply must buy ammunition or guns over the internet, do a bit of google searching to find sites that charge a flat shipping fee (I've found people that will ship me up to forty POUNDS of ammunition at as little as $7...but they're selling to LEO's only at the moment due to the political climate).
gunbot.net for in-stock NOW ammunition (crawls the net looking and posts the results to the minute...VERY useful right now, but you GOTTA BE QUICK ON THE DRAW!!).
gunbroker.com is good, too.
But there really isn't anything wrong with going into a local brick-and-mortar shop.
If'n you need someone who can give you local advice, just whistle. I'm a former NRA licensed pistol, rifle, and shotgun instructor. I've shot the shotgun sports since I was five and competed at high-levels in skeet and sporting clays. I've also competed in many many USPSA/IPSC matches as well as local and regional steel-challenge and three-gun matches. I sold guns for a local shop in the early 90's. I've worked ranges. I've been through Glock armorer's school (which with the internet's endless availability of info really ain't squat anymore). If you want quality instruction, I can send you to the right people (and there are LOTS of "wrong" people instructing these days, it seems).
Autoloading-handgun-wise, I swear by my Glocks. I own five (with a sixth on the way): Two 17's (a gen 1 and a gen 3), a 21, a 22, and a 23. I have a 35 coming on Saturday, and it will shortly be followed up by a 26. Glocks are simple, and simple is reliable. I have literally 50k+ rounds through my oldest 17 and I have had ZERO weapon-related malfunctions (wish I could say that about operator-related or ammunition-related malfunctions), and that's AFTER I bought it used NYPD surplus. The rest are the same. All that said, they aren't the only tupperware game in town. S&W's composite frame guns are highly regarded, as are Springfield Armory's. There are just too damned many good manufacturer's of the old John Browning-designed 1911 these days to even get into that. Caliber-wise, I LOVE .45ACP, but realistically (and this is the source if endless argument), 9mm is highly effective (especially a 127gr +P+ placed center-of-mass) and much less expensive to shoot for fun. Can't go wrong with a plinker in .22lr, either. Ammunition in .40SW is like hen's teeth right now, but it's a great load. I use it in USPSA and three-gun because factory loads easily make high power factors and I seem to have easier times flipping spinners with it.
Wheelguns, S&W's have been my go-to. Lately, though, Rugers have been attractive for a number of reasons: They're built like freakin' Sherman tanks and they've got a lifetime warranty. A medium-frame revolver chambered in .357 Magnum (S&W 586/686 or Ruger GP100) is an absolute pussycat when loaded with light .38spl cartridges.
In shotguns, I'm a Browning guy for sporting guns with nice furniture. For three-gun, I shoot a modified Benelli M2. For simple chores around-the-house, a slide-action Remington 870 is my choice.
My last little bit of advice is this: Once you settle on what you want and have it in your hot little hands, GET INSTRUCTION. Get LOTS, actually. And make sure everyone in your household (who is of age) gets some as well.
Front sight, center mass, trigger press, repeat.
Spend a little more and get the Remington 870, I don't trust Mossbergs and their cheap feeling slide. Adding a Blackhawk Knoxx stock to the 870 is a nice mod.
Originally Posted by Subhuman15
Like others have said, go rent some different models. It's all about personal preference/comfort when it comes to handguns. Bang for the buck Glock is great, I just don't like the feel of them or composite frame guns in general...but that's me.
Ahhhh the old faithful 870. The choice of many PDs all over and they last forever. Ours are only loaded with non-lethal bean bag rounds as we switched to AR-15s now and we carry both in the units.
Unlike a lot of cops I know, I'm not a gun nut. I only own 3, a Glock 17 my duty weapon, Glock 26 and a SW 642 5 shot. A couple of things about Glocks, you must make sure to lock your wrist as you shoot (no limp wristing) or it will jam the slide. The other, there is no dedicated safety switch on a Glock as opposed to a Sig Sauer. The safety is in the trigger itself.
As others have said rent a bunch and decide for yourself.......
Glocks actually have three built in independent and automatic safeties: the trigger safety, the striker pin safety, and the drop safety. They all work off the trigger bar and are engaged at all times unless the trigger is pressed to the rear by your finger. These safeties work exactly as they are intended: they prevent an AD due to negligent handling of the weapon. And that is what ALL safeties are designed to do on ALL weapons. I have seen fully-loaded Glock pistols abused so badly in demonstrations of the safety mechanisms installed, and not a single discharge until the instructor picked the gun up, pointed it down range, and depressed the trigger. Identical abuse to a SIG or 1911 or M92 wouldn't end nearly as well for the firearm, whether their hammer-block style safeties were on or not.
But here's the thing...no amount of mechanical safety device on any handgun is a substitute for proper handling, i.e. TRIGGER DISCIPLINE. Keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until your front sight is covering your intended target.
And I will also say this: NO semi-automatic pistol is immune from malfunction due to improper grip (limp-wristing), and Glock pistols act no different than any other in that regard.
Just feeling the need to clear up misconceptions.
We are getting into guns, aren't we?
This is my buddy.
This gun is awesomeness!
I am a Winchester guy!
Just for accuracy shooting!
Everything else is just is for collection. I Love Civil War guns.
I could have sworn I read this post yesterday morning orphy ^^^
or I might be going nuts again
I'm awake and headed to Brea to pick up my new hotness Glock 35. :) I might even run it straight to the gunsmith's instead of waiting around until the 1st, depending upon how much time I've got.
Alright. When you barbecue a fine cut of beef, it ain't freakin' manly to cut into the goddamned thing to find out how done it is.
Now me, I personally use a known-temperature/time method. I get nearly perfect results every time. For instance, a NY Strip at 650 degrees takes about three minutes a side for medium rare on my Egg.
If you aren't comfortable with that method, though...try this one:
Don't forget to let it rest before serving!!!
charred bloody rare, please