December 15th, 2012, 09:17 AM #21
Just pure madness.
December 15th, 2012, 09:43 AM #22
December 15th, 2012, 06:54 PM #23
December 16th, 2012, 01:02 PM #24
I BELIEVE I'll have another beer!
December 16th, 2012, 01:53 PM #25
I BELIEVE I'll have another beer!
December 16th, 2012, 10:15 PM #26
What kind of supplies do they need? My late sister did a lot of that kind of work, but what she left behind is pretty old. Might be better off just donating cash.
Originally Posted by Dana
Would be neat if some of the bears had Quick sweaters on, seeing as he's from there.
December 18th, 2012, 12:45 PM #27
December 20th, 2012, 03:29 AM #28
Originally Posted by Cross Traffic
And this and the Morgan Freeman's links etc.
Originally Posted by santiclaws
First of all, as an outsider, I know how it is to live without "guns everywhere". In Slovenia, it's pretty complicated to get a gun (carrying right is I think impossible for an ordinary citizen) - it's not for free, you need to pass psychology test passed and not have criminal history involving violence, among other more minor things. I can't say there's "too much crime" here to be crying for my own gun. Far from that. But I love guns. I'd love to be like those Texans (who I otherwise dislike - mind you, I'm generalizing here - for different reasons) to a certain degree - I'd love to be able to own some guns, buy affordable ammo and shoot in my backyard (while ensuring it would be perfectly safe).
But there is one big difference between us and US. We treat guns as dangerous objects, and are (not everybody of course, but big majority) keeping them in safes, hidden etc., we're not teaching kids to shoot (This is something I will never understand - why teach shooting someone who won't be able to CARRY a gun for at least 10 years? Who is he going to protect?) whereas in the USA I'm getting a feeling guns are mostly treated like knives. But the knife has it's main peaceful use as a kitchen tool, whereas gun is something for scaring/killing people only (it's not like your kid is going out hunting every once in a while...).
USA primarily needs a healthy and reserved attitude towards guns. But it's hard to fix this, mostly because of "damage already done and minds tough to change", your media and (here we come to the next, the strongest point):
USA's behavior. I'm not sure about you (sadly, because I really should be sure about this, but oh well), but I see something very foul and wrong in the way USA treats these school massacres (which are indeed very sad and tragic) and the way USA treats any victims that were killed by, yes, USA. Innocent victims. Children, too. Thousands. And the media is going ape-**** because of (up to) 30 children that get killed in by murderers every now and then (again, it's sad and tragic, but I'm trying to put this into perspective).
I can't see a single major media asking Obama (who I like fairly much): "We are here crying because of 20, why don't we also cry because of thousands killed by US soldiers in the middle east?". I can't see much o discussion about this, either. It's like you're not even aware of what's happening outside of your borders. I know I might come out as an "ordinary USA hater", but it's true and quite typically hypocritical, ignorant behavior by the USA politics, media and public (not saying there are no people thinking like me, but I am saying there should be MAJORITY thinking like me. Please don't ask me why.). The only explanation I see is that you truly believe the USA is doing good, is on some sort of holy crusade or something like that, protecting you from the terrorists of the world. But I say bull****, because Islamic extremists now hate you much more than 10 years ago. And the "revenge" you took is such that Jesus (who is, ironically, much loved by republicans) is surely turning in his grave...uhmmm, Heaven.
Also, it's interesting how modern society (we're at fault here, too - it's quite the same here) allows children to watch action movies from 5 years of age up, but cover their eyes when there's nudity. Nudity is somehow worse than guns, violence etc. - think about how diabolical is this. And I'm not saying kids should watch porn (but they do anyways ), but all it would take from parents is good education and sex acts in movies won't spoil anybody. But somehow that's much harder than to teach your kid to shoot. Oh well.
Attitude towards guns and violence, media and double standards is what USA need to fix.
Last edited by Bollocks; December 20th, 2012 at 03:40 AM.
December 20th, 2012, 01:46 PM #29
you make many good points, and many worth further discussion. But this isn't the thread. If only there were a politics forum. . .
One thing I will point out: don't mistake media for popular opinion.
December 20th, 2012, 03:28 PM #30
I agree with aaron about not getting too involved with your statements bollocks, only to add, and then I'll drop it, Our second amendment was put in place to allow ourselves to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government. Not for the pleasures of hunters and sports shooters.