February 12th, 2013, 09:58 AM
Well, Walking Dead was kind of a popcorn fart wasn't it. Let's be honest...why be afraid of Woodbury? The Jailees went in there twice, the second time without Darryl and with one member who just got over a pseudo rape, and pretty much did what they wanted to do. And now the Governor is sulking/pouting and the ends are really fraying. Take away Merle from their ranks and really, it's a few hard guys, a bunch of women and some random older non fighter types. Not exactly a force to be reckoned with. And all that what will Darryl do hypothetical...well, he's gonna head off with Merle, DONE. I get it, I do...Merle isn't going to be invited into the treehouse, but they just really oversimplified things there. Would have thought Darryl might have fought harder. I did like Carol's reaction. Sad that she is not listed in the opening credits, she really is kind of the soul of the group. Nice work by her and a few nice moments between Herschell/Glenn/Maggie...but Glenn's new badass role plays a little...off. And Rick's pink panty meltdown at the end was silly. Just silly. So, you guys are being led by a frickin looney. It's one thing if he is grieving and keeps that **** inward(like in the comics) but the public blowout...you have to rethink him being in command.
Oh, and Maggie's sister(does she really have a name?) that kiss on the cheek was a little 'is there something more there' when Rick came back. After the last 2 episodes leading into the break, this one was a little weak.
February 12th, 2013, 10:24 AM
Had to wait until last night to watch it..... and yeah, very underwhelming. That kiss on the cheek caught me off guard, and I think will play into Carl and Rick having issues. If i remember correctly, the mid-season finale play a small clip of Carl saying that he should be in charge of the group instead of Rick.
Andrea, annoying as she may be, seems to have put herself in a leadership role withing the town after that little speech of hers.
February 12th, 2013, 10:51 AM
Yeah, that rudimentary 'we shall persevere' speech was laughable, but it put all those extras errrrrr townsfolk in line. Are they setting up Andrea as a alternative politician? I mean, what's a society without the right to vote?
February 12th, 2013, 11:28 AM
Does anyone else feel like the constant appearance of Laurie is sort of diminishing the emotion of her "leaving" the show? I started thinking that this morning and wasn't sure if I was the only one on that train or not. I thought that moment was a great one...but now it just feel like...I don't know, a trick.
February 12th, 2013, 01:09 PM
To be honest they have become a bit contrite on the show imho. I am thinking I am going to have a hard time continuing to watch it ... we will see how it plays out with the Gov but as devil says the military equipment is going to save him versus the people left in Woodbury when they go after the prison. I didn't like Rick's meltdown either - how will he ever mend the fences with Tyreese? He needs his help.
February 12th, 2013, 01:32 PM
Yeah, I thought about the military equipment but you need some rudimentary training to make that stuff work and if he uses his muscle to do it, that's one less fighter on the ground. And yeah they could just blast the prison defenses but that would sort of ruin a potential stronghold. Hate to say it, but the best way to undermine the jailees is to go in the middle of the night and open the fences like the prisoner guy did. You can always go out and clear out the zombies later. Good point by Smytheking, the Lori stuff is diminishing what was a strong moment. I can even allow the phone stuff because Rick was able to apologize. And the flip-a-coin rational/mental Rick is off-putting at best. Herschell had that nice moment where he acknowledged Rick's contribution but questioned his decision...if you were fighting for your life would you NOT take a more proactive approach and question your leader, especially if he kept losing his s_ _ t? A LOT of missteps. You have to figure Darryl will come back at some point, how they handle that thread may be the most important part of the story.
February 12th, 2013, 01:53 PM
See..... this has been my whole issue with The Walking Dead.
If they're not wantonly killing or torturing main characters........ what is it about this show that's compelling or even "good"?
There's really not much more to be mined out of the whole "This is the world we live in now" conversations... it's 3 seasons. We get it. The world is gone.
There's really not much more to be mined out of the zombies. They're zombies. We've seen them get killed, chained up, used as props and gimmicks. I just don't give a **** about the zombies anymore.
So... when this show isn't killing off main characters or beating people up when they're tied to a chair.... it's a pretty dull ass show. And frankly with the Kings struggling to find an identity I get just about enough frustration and despair out of my television already.
I may just stop watching this show.
PLUS I'm up to date on the comics and the TV show is so far far far away from being as horrible and nauseating and sickening as the comics that its really just starting to bug me.
**** Chris Hardwick and his Talking Dead. I've never SEEN a show that needs a wrap up show less. I ****ing hate this "Geek Chic" movement right now. I really do.
February 12th, 2013, 05:23 PM
Think you are a little rough on Hardwick. I like the guy. Maybe the show is unecessary...whatever, he's a good host and part of the good 'Attack of the Show' geek chic culture. Good moderator at SDCC panels too. Lets' his enthusiasm show through but never overwhelms the conversation.
As far as the 'no death = no momentum' point Doc, well...you are right. To a degree. It makes it a little tougher especially when you cannot maintain tone and clumsily handle the balance of emotional moments with the meat & potatoes stuff. And, unlike the comic book, the show can't juggle the two. Between questionable actors and bad character writing(Lori, Carl...and yeah, Shane) the show is horribly uneven. Sunday night's episode especially showed this with the handling of the Governor. A decent character(so far) who should have raged and stirred things into action just turtled up and acted like a petulant schoolgirl. Really...looking through the blinds while Andrea rallied the troops? His walk and body language were kinda soft too...like he was going to run away crying with his arms waving like a little girl. The show is it's own worst enemy at times. You can see how strong the show can be in the quiet moments every once in a while(usually Darryl, Carol and the late Dale especially) but they just do not do it with enough consistency. I blame Rick. the worst written character in the comics. He is a mope. Either overreacting or paralyzed by self loathing. They capture that pretty well on the tv show. The fixed location does not help matters. The prison, once thought to be so cool, has really become the farm pt 2. Maybe there was a shift behind the scenes that needed to be done, but I can't help but think what this show might look like if Darabont had been able to stay on.
February 12th, 2013, 05:30 PM
WINNAH! WINNAH! WINNAH!
Originally Posted by jerseydevil
I said this on the day Darabont was let go and isn't this what Sutter was really talking about??? I completely agree the uneven feel of story lines is going to catch this show eventually. Really is sad because so many people like the show but often it feels like the show just meanders week to week. The only thing that feels like it keeps it all together is the big zombie or fight sequences.
And as bad as I hated Lori (both in the comic and on-screen) I had ambivalence towards Rick in the comic. You are spot on as to why I didn't like him in the comic. Maybe his reaction is only human and would be what you would do in the same insane world his character lives in but I would like to think that in a similar situation someone would step to the forefront and have enough backbone to lead a group.
One thing I have liked about this season is how the Woodbury residents (save Merle), who knew about the prison group, gave them respect for what they did do to survive and take the prison. That was something that was lost in the comic. They need to get Tyreese involved as a main character of the prison group and move the story forward. All that Governor stuff of the last episode was a joke.
Last edited by roenick; February 12th, 2013 at 05:33 PM.
February 12th, 2013, 05:47 PM
I'm gonna tag up on this and say........
This show seems to run on momentum. That kind of "ohmygodwhosgonnadienextweekwhatshappeningZOMG !!!" and when it took a break for the holidays... and came back....
I just didn't care as much. Even before the episode started I just kind of.... meh.
Also... Carl needs to be killed soon because he's about to hit that age where he grows five inches every week. I know it won't jive with the comic book but... what can they do?