April 1st, 2013, 11:47 AM
It's not just Shane. This show tends to kill off the characters that actually bring believability and humanity to their parts. Minor cogs like Oscar and Lynerd Skynerd were both vital, yet deemed expendable because their names are not in the opening credits. Carole still is listed as a guest star, and to me, she is as crucial as Darryl. In fact, they risk killing a LOT of the good things about Darryl when they eventually send her off the show. There was SOOOOOO much story left to explore with Merle. But the writers have no clue. They don't fill the space inbetween the major beats. This show has got to have the emptiest average of plot per episode. On a pie chart it would not register.
April 1st, 2013, 11:55 AM
Sometimes I get the feeling that they (writers not exclusive to the walking dead) think that just because you kill off a "main" character, it means something. You compare it to a show like Lost and, for whatever faults people might have had with it, they did an excellent job making you give a **** about the people in the show. Outside of Rick, Darryl, and....Hershel (maybe?), we just aren't that invested in the characters now. I mean, would anyone care if Maggie or Glen or the rest of them were offed at this point? They don't add anything to the show really other than them being bait. They're completely replaceable and, judging by the migration at the end, will be next season. I still enjoy the concepts of the show and the writing does enough to keep me interested, but they need to really find a groove that does something to get you involved in caring about the people in the show.
Originally Posted by jerseydevil
April 1st, 2013, 12:18 PM
Just like the two of you I will probably continue to watch b/c as you say Smythe - the concepts of the show are so interesting. I am just so tired of hearing the people connected with the show saying "be ready for some real fireworks this week, no one is safe," which it seemed like they did every week this season. To me, killing off major characters isn't drama - it is just offing your characters and not showing any overall plan. I love the Lost comparison - one thing they did so right on that show was give you the back story so you could get invested in the characters. If the writers of TWD do this next season it may be a bit contrite like they are listening to the core fans too much. Why change anything when the numbers are off the charts and AMC is getting what they want?? I would lay odds this is why Darabont left. Make it on the cheap is the AMC mantra I guess.
They completely wasted Andrea as jd mentions. And it isn't as if I don't mind them going in a different direction then the books. I like they are trying to be different and keep those of us who read the novels on our toes. It is just so bad now though. It really feels like the guy who has always been somewhat lame at filling in the blanks in the story telling, Robert Kirkman, has wayyy too much influence on where the show is going. Trust me - I love the guy for coming up with the whole concept but he left me feeling unfulfilled while reading his work as well. And of all the original folks involved with the project from the beginning he and Nicotaro (and maybe Heard - right name? The woman from the beginning) are the only ones left it seems.
Although I did like the show last night this season has left me so unfulfilled.
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April 1st, 2013, 12:18 PM
I'm having a hard time getting my thoughts together about the finale. I liked parts of it. seriously dislike others.
I'm sad Milton is dead, but I knew he'd be a goner. the actor who played Milton was so great in those scenes though. IT'S JUST TOO BAD ANDREA DIDN'T LISTEN TO HIM WHEN HE SAID TO HURRY WITH THE EFFING PLIERS. she spent half the episode trying to pick them up and still died anyway. tbh, the only sad part about her death was seeing Michonne cry.
If I was Carl, I would have shot that kid too. he told him to toss the gun, and he was slowly moving forward and not letting go of it. eff that. you're dead.
I'm annoyed that the prison group didn't lock the Governor and ALL OF HIS PEOPLE in the tombs. I thought for sure that's what was going to happen. maybe it was just too obvious of an awesome plan?
overall, it didn't feel like a finale to me. I don't know where the Governor's storyline is supposed to go now that he killed everyone and only has two "soldiers" left. how much damage can they really do? I think I mostly just want to see what the Governor, Martinez and the black guy are up to on the worst...road trip....ever.
April 1st, 2013, 01:22 PM
April 1st, 2013, 01:44 PM
I only came on board for Season 3, and crammed the first two seasons in a few months back to get caught up for season three. Therefore, I didn't have the full blown love/hate relationship for as long with this show as those who've been with it since the beginning (or came on right after that). I'm FINE with the season finale as it was. Was it Great? Hell no. But it wasn't bad, and certainly better than average.
I had already prepared myself for the idea that an all-out war simply wasn't going to happen, as the physical numbers on each side simply didn't support that happening. I DO get that people were a bit miffed though, by all the endless hype of the impending bloodbath to come, and all they got was The Governor going off the rails and wasting his own peeps. I think part of that is a limitation of the writers, but mainly comes from being such a HUGE hit show, that the mass media interviews the crap out of the actors, producers, etc., and what are they supposed to say?
"Stay tuned for next week....we're going to have some SERIOUSLY INTENSE staring off into the distance scenes, as well as major arguments between our characters over things we may or may not even do anyway"?
It might be in the best interest of the show if it DID kind of, well....suck for a bit. That might take some of the shine off the show's image, and it won't be at the 10-15 million viewer mark. With that kind of viewership, there's a LOT of kowtowing going on, so it may be nice if the show lost some luster and fell back to being just an "average" show. Of course, once you've hit the big time, it's really hard to come back down and still survive, so I could be wrong there.
I WILL say this though; as contrived as some of their numbskull plot developments go, I didn't necessarily find many of them to be unbelievable in and of themselves. While they certainly could've made the Governor's descent into madness a bit more gradual over the course of the season, rather than so abruptly turn into the monster he was, Merle already pointed out last week that, he'd seen the Governor do things to people that would turn people's stomachs. This wasn't a nice man, and we saw as far back as the killing of all the National Guardsmen in cold blood, that he seemed to enjoy doing so. Once the townspeople did not acquiese to his wishes, they were no longer of use to him, so while the decision to shoot them all in cold blood like that might have seemed out of the blue, its perfectly in line with a sociopath, whose decisions are made solely based on their own interests. He had no reason to burden himself with caring for these people that, were not - in his eyes - grateful for what he'd provided - and were not willing to abide by his wishes.
I agree that Tyrese and Sascha have been a complete waste of time, but one has to consider that given the nature of the situation with AMC/Mazzera, there could've been tons of scenes filmed with them that completely ended up on the cutting room floor to appease AMC's direction of the show....who knows. Why they invested SO MUCH TIME on Andrea's character, who did so VERY LITTLE to develop and move the plot along, is probably the biggest faux pas the show made. Honestly, I was very critical of Laurie Holden for her portrayal of Andrea (I too have read all the comics so far, and loved how Andrea became a bad-ass), but honestly, I have to chalk this one all up to writing. No wonder half the time she was onscreen this season, she looked like she'd sucked a lemon; her character was so unbelievably badly written, and her motives were head-scratchingly unnerving to keep up with. Good for her for telling the rest of the cast that, she has to "do it herself...it's important" with regards to killing Andrea off - that was probably very cathartic for her to shed herself of this weak-ass character. And honestly, while she might miss out on a cash-cow salary for staying on the show had Andrea lived, where the hell would they go with her character? I mean, seriously? She should be relieved she has the ability to get the hell out of Dodge while she can.
I actually LIKED the ambush at the prison, and as lame-brained as it was to send their folks into the tombs, remember people - they're being led by a psychopath hellbent on vengeance, leading a collection of completely untrained, softened up sissies. They simply couldn't have been expected to have been smart enough to think they were walking into a trap. For all thy knew, the prison gang had completely abandonded the prison, and this was their opportunity to investiage what the prison had to offer them? So the gung-ho, guns-blazing, attack down into the tombs concept by the Woodburians didn't bother me one bit. I too thought it would've been a good idea to lock them in behind them, but remember - they likely hadn't sealed the other side out, since that's the way Tyrese's gang came in. It's not inconceivable that, even despite all the noise alerting the Walkers, they still might've potentially escaped out the other end and out the damaged prison walls (maybe minus a few of them, but still).
Michonne crying for Andrea.....I know they had to sell it, or at least try to. But man, for Danai to try to pull that off would be like seeing John Wayne trying to force a cry watching Adolph Hitler die in a 1940's war-buddy movie, depicting those two as "best buds". They NEVER showed how and why they got close while on the road, other than a brief flashback moment. It just wasn't believable at all.
The good stuff?
I liked the Ambush scene - It was a very simple idea to ambush the Woodburians, and at the same time, a clever one. There's no way in hell they could stand toe to toe with them, and they knew it. Rick and his people gave every reason for the Governor to believe they were truly afraid of him and what he could do. And once the Governor had dispatched Merle, it gave reason for the Governor to believe that the Prison gang would be even less convinced they could face up to his army.
Dallas Roberts was spot-on as Milton; you REALLY FEEL for the guy (much sadder for his death than Andrea's)
David Morrissey's character's "sudden" transformation from evil guy with a nice smile to evil guy with an evil cowl aside, Morrissey DOES play a very good, very bad guy. He certainly bears NO resemblance to the sinister Danny Trejo-looking Governor of the comic books, but while he may not have evil physical features (aside from the patch), he makes up for it with very sinister scowls and looks. There's a real depth to his tone and demeanor when he delivers a nasty message. You can see that Milton had a real reason to be truly scared for his life, even when the Governor removed his binds and took him to see Andrea; he knew there was something calculated and cold in the Governor's intentions already.
I have more thoughts on this stuff, but clearly I've already invested too much time in something supposed to be not so deep, so I'm gonna wrap it up there and try to do some work
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