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    Always great to read your rankings. Do you have a link where we can read last years rankings.

    I see nothing about Justin auger. Any thoughts on his possible figure

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    That should have said future not figure. I blame auto incorrect for all my errors

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    Quote Originally Posted by King'sPawn View Post
    Dergachev is still in the pipeline, but he is getting very little playing time. He might have his development destroyed like Kitsyn. Discouraging amount of playtime.
    That sucks to hear. It's a real gamble to draft Russians for that reason. I know Lombardi and his crew always did their homework on these guys to find out where they wanted to play and so forth, and we still are losing them to the KHL.
    Thank you both for your responses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King rob gm View Post
    Always great to read your rankings. Do you have a link where we can read last years rankings.

    I see nothing about Justin auger. Any thoughts on his possible figure
    I think he's a regular AHL player. He's big and skates well for his size, but I think he's technically flawed, especially in puck control.

    As for the rankings, I'll have to see if I can find them somewhere. It definitely looks different compared to last year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by King rob gm View Post
    Always great to read your rankings. Do you have a link where we can read last years rankings.

    I see nothing about Justin auger. Any thoughts on his possible figure
    In response to last year's rankings, this is what I posted on HF on 2/4/17 regarding the top 10.

    1. Mike Amadio
    2. Adrian Kempe
    3. Kale Clague
    4. Paul LaDue
    5. Michael Mersch
    6. Erik Cernak
    7. Jonny Brodzinski
    8. Auston Wagner
    9. Chaz Reddekopp
    10. Justin Auger
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


    If you want to get a good laugh at me though, I did find an old file of something I'm sure I posted on LGK. I wrote this 1/13/14. I sometimes try to save these files so I can go back and evaluate my thought process...
    Top prospects:
    Linden Vey – The 22 year-old center finally had a taste of the NHL this season, and considering the roles he was put in, performed very well. Kings head coach Darryl Sutter gave him tough minutes on the penalty kill and on the fourth line. His speed, defensive awareness, and on-ice vision were all great assets while playing on the Kings. While he has since been sent back down to the AHL recently, he has at the very least proven his mettle. He, along with Tyler Toffoli, are the only two players in the Kings system who have scored at over a point per game pace in the American Hockey League (AHL).

    Tanner Pearson – Between his skillset, style of play, and positional need for a scoring left wing in the organization, Pearson has a lot of extrinsic value. He has shown a steady developmental curve in performance and responsibility, and the next step for him is to become a mainstay on the NHL roster.

    Nikolai Prokhorkin – The talented 20 year-old continues to lead his professional team in scoring with 30 points in 42 games (16G, 14A). He started the season as a bottom six center, and took full advantage of injuries on the roster to earn himself a job in the top six. His utility as center and wing, physical play, and skills are huge assets. The biggest drawback is he will remain in Russia for two more years, which is more time spent away from the North American game.

    Kevin Gravel - The next major need in the organization after a scoring winger would have to be a young stay at home defenseman, and Gravel is the ideal player for the role. With size, physical play, poise and defensive discipline, Gravel offers a lot as a player; with a couple aging defensive defensemen in Mitchell and Regehr, the Kings organization provides a great opportunity for this young player to step in very soon.

    Martin Jones – The only reason he’s not higher on the list is the lack of need for him. With Conn Smythe trophy winner Jonathan Quick signed for ten years, the Kings are not in a dire need for a starting quality goaltender. He has had an exceptional beginning to his NHL career, combining a large frame with a calm disposition to win the first eight starts before dropping the next three. The good news is If in the off chance Quick aggravates his groin again, the Kings still have stability in net as long as Martin Jones is around.

    Hudson Fasching – The biggest riser in the list is undoubtedly Hudson Fasching. He started off hot in his first season at Minnesota, scoring in their first eleven games. His scoring has since cooled off in the collegiate level, but he picked his touch right up again as he represented the United States in the WJC. He played in a shutdown role, showing his coach’s faith in his ability to handle priority minutes; his speed, drive to the net, size, defensive willingness, and strength on the boards will just work so well with the Kings organization in the long term. He still has a lot of time, but this is a great beginning.

    Valentin Zykov – The husky Ruskie also represented Russia in the WJC, but in a much lesser role. He scored no points in the tournament. In the QMJHL, he’s still a major scoring threat with his tenacious crash and bang style of play on both wings. He has a lot of size and uses it well. His scoring is almost the same pace as last year – for a developing scoring forward, the ideal situation is for this to increase, but it didn’t hurt his rankings. If he wants to move up in the ranking, he either needs to pick up on the offense, or show other facets in his game to justify a rise.

    Nick Deslauriers – With a new found purpose in the organization, Larry the left wing secures a top ten ranking within the Kings organization. Drafted originally as a defenseman, Deslauriers has now taken on a role as a forward and seems to be excelling at it. His defensive reads and attention to detail are still lacking, which affects his ranking. His raw skills and mean streak still make him a very enticing prospect. His play both as a wing and defenseman could put him in a small group of players in the NHL level: Brent Burns, Dustin Byfuglien, or Peter Harrold.

    Andy Andreoff – The gritty center continues to show in every opportunity why he is just a natural fit for the Kings. He has a very good set of natural skills, strong attention to detail, and plays hard. Projected to be a bottom six player, Andreoff may not have the upside of anyone else on the list, but his work ethic makes it more a matter of when, not if, he makes the NHL.

    Alex Roach – The hulking defenseman has been bounced around quite a bit this year, with every movement, at first glance, looking like one demotion after another. However, his return to the Calgary Hitmen as an overager is simply a great opportunity for him, as he has been given the “A” to give him a leadership role, a voice, and another dynamic to his multi-faceted game. His size, mean streak, and rocket of a shot have helped Calgary become the second best team in the league, and he’s just outside the top ten in plus/minus in the league despite missing a third of the season at the start. He’s a boom-or-bust type of prospect, but the ceiling is very high for him.

    HM:
    Derek Forbort – He’s tall and lanky, and plays defense. Drafted in the first round of 2010, expectations may be unreasonably high for him from fans. However, the path to the NHL is a long one, and Forbort is taking a slow and steady approach to make it. His chances for success will be higher as he works on his fundamentals.

    Jordan Weal – The small forward just falls outside of the top ten, and his size remains his biggest obstacle in making it to the NHL. He leads the Manchester Monarchs in scoring with 31 points in 40 games, showing exceptional on-ice vision. He also has good defensive discipline, but he gets shoved off the puck very easily. His actions on the ice always have a purpose, however, and this kind of subtle understanding may be his ticket to getting an opportunity in the NHL.

    Michael Mersch – Not a whole lot has changed for Mersch. His 14 goals almost doubles the next guy on the team, and adding 10 assists to the mix puts him on top of team scoring once again. He has the ethic, but not the skating ability, which keeps him as an honorable mention.
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    The most in-depth writing I've done that is actually on file is from 7/14/2013. There will be some familiar faces, not-so-familiar faces, and wtf rankings you can point and laugh at, lol. I just do this for fun. Obviously I'm not a professional:

    Prospect rankings 7/14/2013
    1. Tyler Toffoli
    Undoubtedly the leading prospect in the Kings system. Has essentially “made” it already as a top line winger. Given that these rankings are about potential and likelihood to reach that potential, he already has an edge on the rest of the prospects. Plays a game strongly based on offensive instincts, but is working towards rounding out his game; his strength is gradually improving.
    Comparable: Joffrey Lupul
    2. Tanner Pearson
    He’s the only other prospect on this list who played in the NHL. He has quickly made a smooth transition into the professional ranks, succeeding as a top line winger in the AHL as a rookie and minimal developmental time within the organization. Owns a solid arsenal of finishing and playmaking ability.
    Comparable: Jakub Voracek
    3. Linden Vey
    He was the anchor of the top line in the AHL. While he has not had a chance to play at the NHL level yet, he centered two AHL rookies to professional success and led the team in scoring. He has the potential to be a scoring center, and is potentially a training camp away from playing in the NHL next season. What’s most impressive is that while not one skill is exceptional, he puts it all together into an exceptional composition of a player.
    Comparable: Justin Williams
    4. Nikolai Prokhorkin
    The biggest concern about him is his contract keeping him in Russia for two more years, where he is taken away from the NHL game he is so skilled at playing. The good news is he has already shown a commitment to playing in North America, but hopefully there’s not too much time spent away from developing his game. However, he’s solid in both ends of the ice, and makes good use of his size.
    Comparable: Brooks Laich
    5. Kevin Gravel
    He has steadily increased his fundamental skills as a stay-at-home defenseman. The Kings reportedly tried to sign him after his junior year, which he turned down. Consequently, he is going back to St. Cloud to lead the blue line as a senior. Plays a very calm, poised game on the defensive side of the puck, and makes effective use of his strength.
    Comparable: Rostislav Klesla
    6. Valentin Zykov
    Stocky winger had a very strong rookie season in the QMJHL. At development camp, he showed good skills for a junior league player, but he still has a long way to go before he can develop skills suitable for the professional level. He plays with a scorer’s instinct to go to the net, and if he develops professional NHL quality skills in the future, he could fit in as a dangerous scorer. Seamless transition into the North American game is very promising.
    Comparable: Curtis Glencross
    7. Nick Shore
    After finishing his junior year in Denver, Shore signed his first professional contract and is on his way to his first season in Manchester. He has a set of AHL ready tools that will give him scoring minutes in the AHL. He still has to make the transition to the AHL now, but given his cerebral style of play and his skillset, he could develop into a scorer at the professional level. Production has stagnated, but raw skills have improved.
    Comparison: Cody Hodgson
    8. Andy Andreoff
    Amongst the prospects at camp, Andreoff shows among the most refined skills. He, too, seems to be knocking on the door to the NHL, but his ranking suffers a little given his lower potential impact at the NHL as a bottom six forward. Decent numbers in his first professional season is very promising. Plays a very aggressive but skilled style of play. Brings pain to the opposition.
    Comparison: Jarrett Stoll
    9. Nicolas Deslauriers
    He has added a good deal of strength and muscle from the time he was drafted, complementing his skillful style of play with an element of grit. Shows tremendous individual skills that can translate to the professional level, while at the same time struggling to read and analyze the play.
    Comparison: Jack Johnson
    10. Kurtis Macdermid
    Large, mobile defenseman has a lot of potential to play in the bottom 4. Since he was signed the previous year, he has taken a more demanding role in Owen Sound. His individual skills have improved over the past year. While his offensive upside is on the low side, he still has the potential of a mobile stay-at-home defenseman.
    Comparison: Brad Stuart
    11. Michael Mersch
    The stocky grinding winger is showing a lot of promise after getting power skating lessons from last year. He has a shot that rivals the professionals, with a dangerous release, accuracy, and power. There were hopes to sign him to a contract so he can make the transition to the AHL, but he will finish his senior year in Wisconsin.
    Comparison: Ryane Clowe
    12. Alex Roach
    He’s a large defenseman who put up impressive numbers as a 19/20 year-old in the WHL. He has the size and strength to shove opposing players, but the developing offensive acumen hints at a potential for a two-way defenseman. His first season in the AHL will give a better idea of what style he will develop in the professional ranks. More than doubled his production in his last year; this following year will be a very telling season of his career path.
    Comparison: John Carlson
    13. Derek Forbort
    Big defenseman is just now filling out, and signed his first professional contract. Even though he has good vision, he seems to focus more upon being a stay-at-home defenseman. Individual skills have slowly improved, but he still has a lot of work to do. He needs to play with more swagger and confidence. Could develop into a bottom four defenseman, but needs to make more progress with his individual skills, especially handling the puck and skating technique. As far as decision making, he needs to be faster with his decisions.
    Comparison: Jeff Schultz
    14. Martin Jones
    Large goaltender has fallen from grace a little as he went from great success in junior to needing to find consistency with his professional game. Will play in the AHL as a starter, but unless he finds better consistency, he will max out as a back-up in the NHL. Still has a lot of potential due to his size.
    Comparison: Brian Elliott
    15. Maxim Kitsyn
    His return to North America is welcomed by management, teammates, and fans alike. His stickhandling ability and willingness to drive to the net gives him good hope of being an impact power forward. However, his skating still needs a lot of work, and he needs to improve his physique to succeed at his style of play.
    Comparison: Alexander Semin
    16. Hudson Fasching
    He’s a large forward with a lot of skill, and his drop in production during his draft year caused him to fall from grace. His potential of being a top six skill forward is far from a sure thing, but the University of Minnesota will get him started on the right track.
    Comparison: Andrew Ladd
    17. Colin Miller
    Offensive defenseman made huge leaps in his development. Not only did he double his offensive production, but as captain, he shows a lot of determination and progress to make the next step. Doesn’t show an impressive set of tools, but still finds a way to put it all together. He needs to add strength to make the next step; the leadership award suggests strong intangibles can take him far.
    Comparison: Derek Morris
    18. Patrik Bartosak
    CHL goaltender of the year looks like he’s going to be sent back for an over-age season in the WHL. He has a good frame and reflexes and a very competitive approach with traffic in front of him. Sometimes makes saves he has no business making, but needs to polish his game a lot. Has a slow recovery time, which will improve with better fitness.
    Comparison: Peter Budaj
    19. Nick Ebert
    While he has minimal experience at the professional level, he experienced a good degree of success at the ECHL level. His individual skillsets have progressed quite a bit from the previous year, and he played with a newfound swagger that shows a lot of promise. Further experience and development with professionals after his junior season will take him to newfound heights. His numbers in juniors remain unchanged, but he really amped up his game in the professional level.
    Comparison: Kevin Shattenkirk
    20. Jordan Weal
    Undersized forward has shown a steady transition to the professional ranks. He scored at more than a half point per game in his first full season. As he gets increased responsibility, look for the savvy forward to have more success, despite his lack of exceptional talent. Really needs to develop some more strength if he wants a chance to succeed at the NHL level.
    Comparison: Andrew Cogliano
    21. Jonny Brodzinski
    A sniper in every sense of the word, Brodzinski has a quick release to cause a hard, accurate shot. He is a long term project, having only completed his freshman year. However, the long term commitment to the NCAA gives him time to improve his skills and strength, so he can be more effective as a professional.
    Comparison: Matt Moulson
    22. Brandon Kozun
    Speedy winger has a wealth of professional experience. He has a good shot and great speed, however he still needs to have a greater purpose with his on-ice decisions. The spark plug style doesn’t usually translate well in the NHL. Smaller size also leads to questions of upside. Has a lot of natural talent.
    Comparison: Cory Conacher
    23. Justin Auger
    Large 19 year-old winger shows a lot of potential with his 6’6 height. The good news is his lanky frame indicates a higher potential, once he fills out. The bad news is the lanky frame also shows he is far from being able to make an impact in the pros. Shows a very good technique with his skating, but his top end speed is very poor. He also has the worst shot amongst all the prospects; if he can get close to his potential, the sky’s the limit for him, but he will likely top out as a bottom 6 forward.
    Comparison: Artem Anisimov
    24. Paul Ladue
    Mobile two-way defenseman is still a long term project in the Kings organization, given that he has yet to start his first year at North Dakota. From an offensive standpoint, he moves the puck with confidence and with decisiveness. Defensively, he effectively stick checks and tries to out work his opponent from a positional standpoint.
    Comparison: Marco Scandella
    25. Nic Dowd
    Slow and steady wins the race, and in Nic Dowd’s case, he has steadily improved his overall skills and understanding of the game to have more success among his peers. He’s an industrious forward who has also taken on a leadership role. Gradual success could make him an effective NHLer in a bottom 6 role, as he gains a better understanding of the game.
    Comparison: Adam Hall
    26. Zac Leslie
    Offensive defenseman had a good showing in his first development camp. He makes solid breakout passes and has a strong shot, not just generating offensive opportunities for himself, but his teammates as well. He needs to add more upper body strength to take his game to the next level. He will need to have a better sense of defensive savvy for success at the NHL level.
    27. JF Berube
    Technically strong goaltender has spent the past couple seasons in the ECHL. The biggest drawback against him is his lack of a jump to the next level. He has only played 5 AHL games in the past four seasons, which suggests he might not even get a chance at the next level on a regular basis. While his technique is solid, his lack of experience and success at a higher level could be his greatest undoing.
    28. Dominik Kubalik
    He’s an average size skilled winger who made the leap across the ocean into the OHL. He is one of the youngest players from the draft, giving him a lot of time to develop his game. Needs more time in North America, as well as strength, to improve his chances of making the NHL. A boom/bust prospect.
    29. Brian O’Neill
    Undersized forward has quite the motor, playing with a lot of passion and energy at the professional level. His biggest drawback is his lack of individual skills that would improve his chance to succeed at the next level. Is a longshot to get a chance at the NHL.
    30. Joel Lowry
    Has some of the best straight forward skating speed amongst the prospects. Has good raw skills to play as a professional, however, he did not make the jump in production in his sophomore year. If he has not developed his skill to get more success on a year-by-year basis, it’s questionable if he will make the transition to the professional level.
    31. Tomas Hyka
    Undersized aggressive winger plays a power forward type of game where he loves to play a drive-to-the-net game. Has some good tools, but doesn’t consistently put them together to make him a legitimate scoring threat. Reduced production despite maturing is a major concern.
    32. Robbie Czarnik
    For a player who has some of the most impressive raw tools at his disposal, he’s seemingly squandered them away. He put up of the points in the AHL his second season as he did in his first season. He hasn’t added a lot of weight to his frame, and while he has amazing ability to handle the puck and shoot, he has yet to adapt his game to be effective at the professional level.

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    well, given that more than half of your top 32 from 7/2013 are currently in the NHL or still in the Kings' system, @King'sPawn, I'd say that's a testament to A) the Kings scouting staff and B) your ability to predict good prospects.

    I really think Vey got dragged down by his family situation. The only true "bust" from the top 12 is Alex Roach. although MacDermid is probably a career AHLer. Zykov could do well in the Hurricanes system, and I don't think Prohorkin was ever really that interested in playing in N America. Plenty of success stories from your 11-32 guys as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King'sPawn View Post
    ...The most in-depth writing I've done that is actually on file is from 7/14/2013. There will be some familiar faces, not-so-familiar faces, and wtf rankings you can point and laugh at, lol. I just do this for fun. Obviously I'm not a professional:...
    Actually, all those write-ups from 2013 and 2014 look pretty accurate to me. The "comparison" players are the only thing that made me chuckle a few times!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goon Squad View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by King'sPawn View Post
    ...The most in-depth writing I've done that is actually on file is from 7/14/2013. There will be some familiar faces, not-so-familiar faces, and wtf rankings you can point and laugh at, lol. I just do this for fun. Obviously I'm not a professional:...
    Actually, all those write-ups from 2013 and 2014 look pretty accurate to me. The "comparison" players are the only thing that made me chuckle a few times!
    Yes... and THAT'S shortly after I learned not to make comparisons!

    Thank you for the feedback too, Nyssa. Truth be told it's more of a testament to the Kings' scouting and development.
    Last edited by King'sPawn; July 13th, 2017 at 11:44 PM.

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    Hey KP, you still following prospects? what do you know about Ty Dellandrea? I pulled this card from Upper deck e-packs and am reluctant to trade or sell it because he projects to go right about where the Kings will be drafting. Do you see any chance?

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    In response to last year's rankings, this is what I posted on HF on 2/4/17 regarding the top 10.

    1. Mike Amadio
    2. Adrian Kempe
    3. Kale Clague
    4. Paul LaDue
    5. Michael Mersch
    6. Erik Cernak
    7. Jonny Brodzinski
    8. Auston Wagner
    9. Chaz Reddekopp
    10. Justin Auger
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Time for an update on those after the draft. It's going to change substantially since last Feb.

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