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    Quote Originally Posted by darby View Post
    Soooo... you'da kept Martin Jones and traded Quick?

    Because only one of them could be the starter for the Kings.
    Yes, despite Quick being great, top level, and it would suck to not have him, its asset management and Martin Jones is quite capable, not as good as Quick but still an easy #1 goalie, I don't think the drop off from JQ to Martin Jones is all that vast. The assets JQ would have brought back at that time would have been a haul (and very much needed from years of top finishes and no top draft picks) and I very much doubt had that move been made there would have been any missed playoffs, nor be down 3-0 to Vegas at this time...

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    Reply to Jom, VCRW, and gokor84...

    Sometimes is not about how many good/bad players you have... it takes a lot to win a cup. Management to make good trades/signings and offering contracts, coaches to have a philosophy, applies to the team and make the players to believe in; and a group of players that have enough experience, desire, hunger, and of course, good skills level, toughness, speed, and teamwork.
    Everything needs to be in place to win it till the end. When the time comes, it comes.

    I don't agree that because we have a few goods (franchise) players so that we should have won it.
    No, it is not like that. It may be bad coaching, bad communication, not-so-good team chemistry, lack of hunger... there are so many factors that can affect the cup winning chance.
    We don't even need to play the actual game if the cup should go to such and such team(s) automatically because some teams look better than others on paper.

    I am a fan since 91-92, and I know what is heart breaking and I know what a long wait means.
    Unfortunately we are not good enough this season, and let's move on and hope for the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogie-Vachon View Post
    Dean's bold moves outweigh his crap moves...
    Yup. Fans acting like "2 cups is a cool thing and all but hey look at the roster he left WTF" miss what is most important. There's a load of teams out there who didn't get any cups, didn't even have a window, but I'm guessing their front offices operated real nice and safe-like.

    Kings need a rebuild, probably need a new coach too (just not sold on the dude), but it's hard to fault Dean for even that Lucic trade using hindsight. He made it thinking Lucic was the piece to help this team get over the hump, and it was a good addition in that place and time, just not enough.

    GMs make trades all the time that don't work out period. Dude was chasing a third cup. What matters now is whether we have the front office who can put together an elite team. Does anyone honestly feel we do? Hate to be negative here, but I don't. I look at the effin VGK roster and staff that McPhee put together next door to us, and there's a real GM. A GM the likes of which we haven't had since Dean. IMO.

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    Look at all of the GMs...look at Poile. How many years has he been in Nashville? 18, 19? He has got SQUAT so far. However, he's a pretty good GM and has built a good team that can win this year. Should they have replaced him in 2009 or some such (after 10 years let's say)? Well, in hindsight...who knows?...but still if you talk to Preds fans in 2009 maybe they had had enough at that point.

    It's easy to look back with 20/20 sight...so to me that is a waste of time. "What do you do moving forward?" is the best way to look at this. New coach? New GM? I'm sure Blake is safe obviously but I don't think Stevens is going anywhere...if the Kings wanted Tippet they would have done that last summer...whatever. To me the Kings should just keep developing players like the have been (BTW, something Lombardi brought to the franchise that no one else did before) and draft well...etc etc. It's not rocket science.

    jom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingscup4426 View Post
    ...for trading Colin Miller and Martin Jones away to bring in Milan Lucic...for all the trades good and bad, and all the signings good and bad that move right there has to among the worst, if not the worst, of all the moves you ever penned or even thought about no less actually executed...Thank God you happened to put together lightning in a bottle twice and bring us 2 cups (which I am glad I got to see, thinking I never would) but my goodness could that trade continue to look any worse, it gets worse by the minute. The other trades and signings and all the other crap at least the result was 2 cups. The Miller/Jones for Lucic after the window had shut was just plain stupid, like really dumb

    Since that trade, Boston = Great; Sharks = pretty good; Kings = WTF? Is this the black hole again?

    DL, The Legend Continues!
    I'm trying to understand the tone of this post. So it's like hey thanks a lot for screwing us over with these stupid trades, and yeah sure you got us 2 stupid Cups, but really...thanks for screwing us over. Do I have it right?

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    Give it a rest already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anjae11eden View Post
    I'm trying to understand the tone of this post. So it's like hey thanks a lot for screwing us over with these stupid trades, and yeah sure you got us 2 stupid Cups, but really...thanks for screwing us over. Do I have it right?
    Sorta, but not really.

    Fans are pissed because Deano went against nearly everything he said he would not do.
    He preached over and over again about keeping a sustainable model to chance for Cups for years without mortgaging the future.

    He did the opposite, and mortgaged the future for an assumed "one more shot" at a Cup mentality.



    Nobody in their right mind will every try to take away the greatness of the 2 Cup winning teams Deano built.
    What is troubling and down right horrific is the wreck he left behind pursuing the short term thinking he thought would get him more Cups.....and this went against all that he preached against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacNasty View Post
    Yup. Fans acting like "2 cups is a cool thing and all but hey look at the roster he left WTF" miss what is most important. There's a load of teams out there who didn't get any cups, didn't even have a window, but I'm guessing their front offices operated real nice and safe-like.

    Kings need a rebuild, probably need a new coach too (just not sold on the dude), but it's hard to fault Dean for even that Lucic trade using hindsight. He made it thinking Lucic was the piece to help this team get over the hump, and it was a good addition in that place and time, just not enough.

    GMs make trades all the time that don't work out period. Dude was chasing a third cup. What matters now is whether we have the front office who can put together an elite team. Does anyone honestly feel we do? Hate to be negative here, but I don't. I look at the effin VGK roster and staff that McPhee put together next door to us, and there's a real GM. A GM the likes of which we haven't had since Dean. IMO.
    BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!! DL could do very little wrong from 2006 to 2014 (except for the Cloutier situation), but his luck/mojo/ whatever it should be called ran out. As for whether the current front office can put together an elite team, I'm more optimistic. Blake has actually made several good moves during his first year (Iafollo and Brickley signings, Gaborik trade), and the team is in better (relatively speaking) shape then a year ago. It's far from elite, though, and this summer will be crucial in terms of whether the Kings get back to elite anytime soon.

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    My question asking if 2 Cups is enough was not about the actual number of championships won. It was about current depleted state of the organization. Lombardi promised to build a Detroit model that would create a perennial contender out of our “lowly” Kings. But look at the pedestrian pipeline players Lombardi left behind. Look at the LW mess. Look at the paucity of NHL quality defensemen currently in or brought up from Ontario.

    Yes, Dean deserves his halo for being the saint and visionary who brought winning to L.A. There can be no argument about that. But similarly, there can be no doubt that Lombardi lost the plot badly in both his contract negotiations and his trading agenda.

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    Hindsight...would we all be happier with a more cap friendly team and still no Cups? He did what was asked of him, then failed in trying to sustain it
    Last edited by Sevenhole; April 16th, 2018 at 06:08 PM.

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