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TooCool
September 17th, 2018, 08:58 AM
So....seriously?

My predictions were pretty spot on, minus the fact that Becky actually won the Women's Title. :woot:

The PPV itself was really good up until the last two matches...

- Ronda/Alexa.. I just can't get into it. I'm not a fan of the UFC people and having Ronda sell a rib injury just isn't believable to me. I understand it was a way to give Alexa some offense but still. Nice new powerbomb type of move from Rousey though.

- Strowman/Reigns was okay to start but the finish was stupid. You cannot have a no contest in a HIAC match. That just can't happen. They're going too far to protect Roman from losing. But even with that, at least have Brock drag Roman's body over Strowman for the cover to make it look like Brock wanted to face Roman again. Even Orton got the cover on Hardy after he pretty much died. Can you imagine if they booked two HIAC matches with No Contests?

One major gripe though was when Rollins, Ambrose, McIntyre, and Ziggler came out to interfere and fight each other.. I think it was dumb that Strowman and Reigns took a nap for 5-10 minutes. I get that the focus is on the guys at the top of the cell, but to not do anything inside the cell? Meh.. I also think the whole thing could have been planned better. Say for example, have Brock's music hit. Then all 4 guys are scrambling to get down to help their respective guy inside the cell. And while that's happening, they can crash through the announce table or something. Instead, after Ziggler and Rollins did the predictable spot... Ambrose and McIntyre was forgotten up at the top of the cell. What did they do? Just play dead like Roman and Braun the whole time?

And last of all.. Mick Foley served zero purpose in that match. The only "bump" he took was a pepper spray to the face by Heyman.

But other than those two things I have to complain about, everything was pretty damn good leading up to it. I just feel bad for AJ Styles because ever since he's been a WWE Champion.. he had to defend his title in the middle of the card.

ucsdguy1
September 17th, 2018, 10:19 AM
Don’t forget Foley’s magnificent 3 count

ucsdguy1
September 18th, 2018, 08:20 AM
These glorified house shows outside the country are getting out of control. We now have the Australia supershow, another one in Saudi Arabia in November, and then Survivor Series? Enough already.

I really am over Brock Lesnar. I don't care, and this storyline has gone nowhere. Braun with this is "this sucks, you suck, this whole thing sucks" once again showed how ready the crowd is to be behind him, until they of course had him throw in the "and everyone in this arena sucks" line.

LetTigerIn
September 18th, 2018, 11:04 AM
I have been away, so I finally finished watching the Hell in a Cell PPV this morning. I thought the wrestling was overall good, but the big-picture booking was overall poor.

Chief among the miscues was having multiple Hell in a Cell matches on the card, because how are Strowman and Reigns supposed to follow Hardy and Orton? As messy as the end of the card was, that's pretty much the easiest out.

WWE really needs to get out of Monday Night Wars mode. It's been nearly 20 years since WCW has been gone, and they don't have to rely purely on spectacle any more. It's way past the time that they took advantage of their monopoly by changing up the format.

TooCool
September 18th, 2018, 11:22 AM
These glorified house shows outside the country are getting out of control. We now have the Australia supershow, another one in Saudi Arabia in November, and then Survivor Series? Enough already.

I really am over Brock Lesnar. I don't care, and this storyline has gone nowhere. Braun with this is "this sucks, you suck, this whole thing sucks" once again showed how ready the crowd is to be behind him, until they of course had him throw in the "and everyone in this arena sucks" line.

I hear ya. It annoyed me that they used Hell in a Cell to promote The Super Show Down PPV in Australia. That's why a match with an insane stipulation of Hell in a Cell... wasn't finished. Ridiculous. Obviously back when these PPVs were 50-60 bucks, pulling this kind of crap would be absolutely unacceptable. But I guess now with it being 10 bucks, they can do whatever the **** they want.

And reports are saying the multi-year deal with the glorified house shows in Saudi Arabia is that Vince is making like 45 million dollars on that show alone. You compare that to any other PPVs (maybe even including Wrestlemania), and it's a no brainer as to why they're doing what they're doing. Brock gets his big ass pay day. Undertaker gets his big ass pay day. And even Shawn Michaels is said to come out of retirement to wrestle in at least 2 matches for that big pay day.

ucsdguy1
September 18th, 2018, 11:38 AM
I hear ya. It annoyed me that they used Hell in a Cell to promote The Super Show Down PPV in Australia. That's why a match with an insane stipulation of Hell in a Cell... wasn't finished. Ridiculous. Obviously back when these PPVs were 50-60 bucks, pulling this kind of crap would be absolutely unacceptable. But I guess now with it being 10 bucks, they can do whatever the **** they want.

And reports are saying the multi-year deal with the glorified house shows in Saudi Arabia is that Vince is making like 45 million dollars on that show alone. You compare that to any other PPVs (maybe even including Wrestlemania), and it's a no brainer as to why they're doing what they're doing. Brock gets his big ass pay day. Undertaker gets his big ass pay day. And even Shawn Michaels is said to come out of retirement to wrestle in at least 2 matches for that big pay day.
Yeah I was reading Brock may be getting a 7 figure pay day for the Saudi Arabia job. Who knows if he stays around after but damn.

TooCool
September 19th, 2018, 01:20 PM
So Aiden has officially turned heel. Nooooooooooo! I mean we all saw it coming but I still kind of wish it didn't have to happen. Would have liked to see Team Rusev Day win the tag titles and carry it for a bit. Because I still think once Rusev is done with Aiden, then we'll never see Aiden again as he will be stuck in catering.

I also dug Becky's promo about wanting Charlotte to raise her arm and then put the belt around her waist. But the line of "I want you to call me queen.......... bitch." was so good. Becky is doing all the heel things but still getting cheered. Good job crowd. =D Charlotte constantly trying to protect her boobs from falling out was weird though. You would think that if you knew you were getting attacked, you weren't going to wear a top like that. So it was funny and awkward trying to see Charlotte sell the pain while covering her chest at the same time.

That's all I caught on Youtube since I was at the Kings game last night.

ucsdguy1
September 20th, 2018, 11:12 AM
I just watched Dunne/Ricochet from last night and am out of breath. I think everyone knew Undisputed would get involved as neither champ could/should have taken the loss, but wow that was a pretty good one.

and Hmmm.......Dunne/Richochet/War Raiders vs. Undisputed at War Games anyone?

ucsdguy1
September 21st, 2018, 07:57 AM
All In crowd pops (and highlights) before it gets taken down..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfPRQA_37vo

TooCool
September 24th, 2018, 08:13 AM
I just watched Dunne/Ricochet from last night and am out of breath. I think everyone knew Undisputed would get involved as neither champ could/should have taken the loss, but wow that was a pretty good one.

and Hmmm.......Dunne/Richochet/War Raiders vs. Undisputed at War Games anyone?

I just caught Ricochet vs Dunne yesterday. Holy crap, what a match. I know they're selling it and everything but the way Pete Dunne bends Richochet's fingers backwards like that just isn't right. Also when he's stomping on his fingers, I don't know how they can fake that. There's no room for error there.

I give the crowd a bunch of credit for chanting all match long although if I had to nitpick, I also kind of wished they'd shut up a bit so I can hear Mauro, Nigel, and Percy a little better. It's one thing to have dueling chants of "One and Only" and "Bruiserweight" but they chanted "This is awesome/Fight forever" far too much (and too early into the match).

Speaking of crowds.. so because of the Mixed Matched Challenge being almost an hour long after Smackdown, they tape 205 Live before Smackdown. (And moved it to Wednesdays at 4 PM before NXT). But did you see this move with Alexander and Gulak? https://twitter.com/i/status/1043303944792035328 Absolutely insane. If it were an NXT crowd, they'd go bonkers for it.

ucsdguy1
September 24th, 2018, 10:18 AM
Speaking of crowds.. so because of the Mixed Matched Challenge being almost an hour long after Smackdown, they tape 205 Live before Smackdown. (And moved it to Wednesdays at 4 PM before NXT). But did you see this move with Alexander and Gulak? https://twitter.com/i/status/1043303944792035328 Absolutely insane. If it were an NXT crowd, they'd go bonkers for it.

I saw that. Insane the balance and strength there. Not much room for error either!

TooCool
September 24th, 2018, 08:42 PM
Apparently tonight on RAW, it looks like Brie's careless "yes/it kicks" legit knocked out Liv Morgan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqaRrgvFPVg

Broken nose and/or concussion?

LetTigerIn
September 24th, 2018, 09:55 PM
Apparently tonight on RAW, it looks like Brie's careless "yes/it kicks" legit knocked out Liv Morgan.

Broken nose and/or concussion?


Concussion 100%. Hopefully nothing else and not too bad for Liv. Wishing her a speedy and full recovery.

ucsdguy1
September 25th, 2018, 08:32 AM
Apparently tonight on RAW, it looks like Brie's careless "yes/it kicks" legit knocked out Liv Morgan.

Broken nose and/or concussion?

Damn and I think she got back into the match to take another suplex if I'm not mistaken, before being high tailed out? That was brutal. I think Ms. Yes knew immediately what had happened. That reminds me of a RVD/Jerry Lynn match years ago in ECW when Lynn took a nasty bump. RVD put him in like 5 bear hugs while you can clearly hear him asking if Lynn was okay. Of course they went on for another 30 minutes or so :)

So obviously Ambrose is turning. Does it happen at one of the over seas shows, or wait until a PPV here? I can't remember much else, other than it was pretty fun to see Bayley and Balor back together again, even if just to set up the mixed match challenge.

ucsdguy1
September 26th, 2018, 07:36 AM
Uh oh! 2/1 that Aiden got Lana pregnant in Milwaukee?

Also R-Truth is a national treasure.

TooCool
September 26th, 2018, 09:06 AM
Uh oh! 2/1 that Aiden got Lana pregnant in Milwaukee?

Also R-Truth is a national treasure.

Smackdown was a lot of fun last night even if a lot of those matches were a few minutes long at best..

R-Truth and Carmella in Truth TV was fun. The crowd was really into it and that's the most important thing about any segment. I have always hated dance offs in general but the 7 second dance break was so stupid that it worked. Truth also made it a good point that when he beat The Miz a few weeks ago, he would have been champ if Miz had a title. So he took the next best thing, his talk show. lol

Becky attacking Charlotte backstage was great and she still got a big pop for it. I think the writers are scratching their heads as to why fans continue to boo Roman but will cheer Becky. Either way, what Becky is doing is fun and fresh for character.

Poor Nakamura has no storyline going for him... but Orton attacking Dillinger was cool. Does this mean Tye Dillinger is finally going to be on TV more? But then when Orton got interviewed backstage, he said Dillinger wasn't his next target and that he just hated the Perfect 10 stuff. I think the problem right now is that there is no one for Orton to attack right now that isn't a heel. AJ Styles and Rusev are occupied with their own feuds.

New Day vs The Bar is kind of boring. Especially with the predictable singles action stuff they're doing where Cesaro beat Kofi and Sheamus beat Big E to make it look like they are a threat at the PPV. Please give Sanity some well deserved TV time already. On a side note though, a mighty fine accomplishment for Kofi. https://twitter.com/TrueKofi/status/1044699206550605824 Even CM Punk responded to him on Twitter.

Now to the extra fun stuff with Rusev and Aiden. So what are they teasing here? That Aiden slept with Lana? Or Lana slept with someone else? Or is it nothing because Aiden is a heel and heels typically lie? Depending on how the story goes, does it affect the Mixed Match Challenge pairing of Rusev and Lana?

And last of all I was originally groaning at another contract signing between AJ and Samoa Joe. So I'm glad that didn't happen. Samoa Joe going to AJ's house to find Wendy was fun and different. The only thing that obviously doesn't make sense is that if Wendy was watching TV, she'd know that Joe is outside her home and would call the cops or something. It also ended abruptly due to time constraints.

ucsdguy1
September 26th, 2018, 11:52 AM
Now to the extra fun stuff with Rusev and Aiden. So what are they teasing here? That Aiden slept with Lana? Or Lana slept with someone else? Or is it nothing because Aiden is a heel and heels typically lie? Depending on how the story goes, does it affect the Mixed Match Challenge pairing of Rusev and Lana?

Probably all of the above. Seeing as how they're doing almost everything possible to promote the MMC now I'm sure they'll stretch it out. The whole thing takes me back to this magic:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPY3GttkS_o

ucsdguy1
September 28th, 2018, 09:22 AM
Interesting take from Bully Ray on the Bella/Morgan incident:

https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2018/09/bully-ray-says-liv-morgan-shares-some-blame-for-errant-brie-646236/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


"S--- happens," said Bully Ray on the incident. "That's it. It's pro wrestling, man. You know how I always talk about ring rust, Dave [Lagreca], wouldn't it be safe to say that Brie [Bella] still has some ring rust on her? And listen, saying Brie has ring rust on her is not a detriment, or a knock on Brie. Ring rust happens to any and all wrestlers who are not in the ring for a significant amount of time. There are very few guys, and gals, who can jump right back into it and be at the same level that they were."

"Plus, Brie came back, had a child. I believe in a recent interview she said that with the dive spot, that did not go well, she didn't realize that she might have been a little bit slower after having the baby. She didn't have that 'umph' anymore. So I can totally understand that, but rust never sleeps. Rust can set in on anybody. Whether it's a baseball player, football player, pro wrestler. That's first. So with a little bit of rust that Brie has on her could be showing in the ring."

"Secondly, is inexperience and the inexperience is on Liv's end. Liv hasn't been wrestling for a long time. Yeah, she spent time in NXT, she's on the main roster now, but Liv is not getting a lot of great reps in the ring. It's not like, she's in six-mans, but it's not like she's out there in a lot of singles matches where she's truly being able to get those reps in that she needs where she understands how to do everything. So you could tell by the way Liv was feeding her body to Brie, that she was feeding in an incorrect way. Normally, you don't want to have your shoulders rolled in and your head down when you're taking those kicks. You want to have your shoulders back and your chin up. You want to have your chest exposed. Basically, the 'yes' kick is a clothesline with your shin."

ucsdguy1
October 1st, 2018, 08:52 PM
Loudest pop (or jeer) of the year to the Seattle crowd after the “it doesn’t make sense, like having a basketball team in Seattle” line from elias. I love when elias is half a second away from bursting out laughing.

But renee young with the singer of the night...”no respect for detlef schrempf”

TooCool
October 2nd, 2018, 09:49 AM
Loudest pop (or jeer) of the year to the Seattle crowd after the “it doesn’t make sense, like having a basketball team in Seattle” line from elias. I love when elias is half a second away from bursting out laughing.

But renee young with the singer of the night...”no respect for detlef schrempf”

I saw that on Youtube. It was amazing. It's a shame that Elias and Owens had to stay and plug the PPV Match this Saturday because they could have just soaked in the boos for a good 5 minutes and then drop the mic and leave. lol

Renee confused me for a second because I only remembered Detlef Schrempf playing for the Pacers. But I looked it up and holy crap, he was a Sonics player for like 6+ seasons. Can't believe I didn't remember that because I was an insane NBA fanatic back in the 90s.

ucsdguy1
October 2nd, 2018, 11:12 AM
I saw that on Youtube. It was amazing. It's a shame that Elias and Owens had to stay and plug the PPV Match this Saturday because they could have just soaked in the boos for a good 5 minutes and then drop the mic and leave. lol

Renee confused me for a second because I only remembered Detlef Schrempf playing for the Pacers. But I looked it up and holy crap, he was a Sonics player for like 6+ seasons. Can't believe I didn't remember that because I was an insane NBA fanatic back in the 90s.
How could you. Schrempf was a Seattle legend. ha. what's next, you think Eddie Jones only played for Charlotte?

Yeah literally Elias and Owen soaking up those boos for another 15 minutes would've beat out any subsequent segment on the show. It's too bad they had to ruin it with the Lashley part too..

CIrvine
October 3rd, 2018, 07:54 AM
Okay, time to play Fill in the Blanks since the video stopped short.
I think Lana tells English, " to stay away from Rusev."

ucsdguy1
October 3rd, 2018, 08:18 AM
And the Rusev angle fell flat. Considering it was completely obvious to everyone and their mother the tape was cut off after "I want you", and Lana had absolutely zero facial expression, you know...

TooCool
October 3rd, 2018, 08:21 AM
Okay, time to play Fill in the Blanks since the video stopped short.
I think Lana tells English, " to stay away from Rusev."

Pretty much that's how it's going to be. I wonder when the so called Milwaukee incident happened though since they were close to having a falling out a month ago anyway.

But hey, at least Aiden was a gentlemen in wanting to turn off the camera but Lana stopped him anyway.

And one quick note about Shelton Benjamin finally being on Smackdown again and beating Daniel Bryan. That's how it should be booked.. if someone interferes and a wrestler is distracted, let them use their finisher to win the match. I'm sure you all know how much I hate the rollup finish. At least this way it legitimizes their finisher.

Anyone going to stay up for the PPV? I'm normally a night owl but I don't think I'll last the whole 5 hours. Friday morning I'm up at 5 AM for work. Then we got the home opener at Staples. By the time I get back from Staples it's like 11 PM or so. I'll usually stay up to 2-3 AM anyway so maybe I'll see if I can watch the 2 AM PPV until 4 AM before calling it quits and watch the rest in the afternoon. First world problems.

ucsdguy1
October 3rd, 2018, 08:45 AM
Anyone going to stay up for the PPV? I'm normally a night owl but I don't think I'll last the whole 5 hours. Friday morning I'm up at 5 AM for work. Then we got the home opener at Staples. By the time I get back from Staples it's like 11 PM or so. I'll usually stay up to 2-3 AM anyway so maybe I'll see if I can watch the 2 AM PPV until 4 AM before calling it quits and watch the rest in the afternoon. First world problems.
nope!

I'll gladly read about it when I wake up and go back to watch and highlights I deem necessary.

LetTigerIn
October 3rd, 2018, 09:08 AM
Hm. Friday, EPL at noon, Stapler after work, WWE at 2AM Saturday, EPL at 7AM Saturday, EPL at 9:30AM Saturday, nap, Galaxy at 5:30PM Saturday…


yeah, maybe not.

TooCool
October 3rd, 2018, 01:21 PM
nope!

I'll gladly read about it when I wake up and go back to watch and highlights I deem necessary.


Hm. Friday, EPL at noon, Stapler after work, WWE at 2AM Saturday, EPL at 7AM Saturday, EPL at 9:30AM Saturday, nap, Galaxy at 5:30PM Saturday?


yeah, maybe not.

Haha. You guys are right. It's nothing more than a glorified house show anyway. I'll probably just make sure to catch AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe, Becky vs Charlotte, and maybe Miz vs Daniel Bryan.

We all know the "Last time ever" match between HHH/Undertaker will lead to HHH & HBK vs Taker & Kane in Saudi Arabia in November anyway.

ucsdguy1
October 3rd, 2018, 04:32 PM
I'm actually going to assume as well the Becky vs. Charlotte is going to lead to a final match at Evolution (it should).

PS Becky changing the Australia poster to just a picture of her was awesome (even if they probably planned leaving her out of the other poster to set up the segment)

TooCool
October 6th, 2018, 01:44 PM
Well, I did it. I stayed up for freaking Super Show Down. (I actually kind of took a nap from 1:30 to 2:05 because I was so tired lol. I watched it on a 5-7 minute delay but at least I was able to fast forward through the Total Bellas, WWE Network advertisements in between. Overall, it was as expected, a glorified house show but with a slight PPV feel. Be warned, spoilers to follow.

New Day vs The Bar - Pretty fun match to start the show. I had no problems with this match. Good action all around with the predictable result of New Day retaining. I'm glad they're using Xavier Woods more in these Tag Title matches too. He's a pretty darn good wrestler that's often overlooked because Big E and Kofi are bigger stars.

Becky Lynch vs Charlotte - Also another good match. Unfortunately they had to end it to a cheap DQ finish but that was expected. Like you guys already mentioned, it's to set it up for Evolution. The crowd was 100% pro Becky though. Not dueling "Let's Go Becky/Charlotte" chants. Just pure "Let's go Becky!" chants all the way.

Cena/Lashley vs Owens/Elias - Standard house show type of match here with Lashley working 95% of the match. I'm assuming Cena's not allowed to take bumps since he's still filming a movie in China. His 6th move of doom is weird... and I guess it's suppose to be a joke to make fun of the 5 moves he usually does lol.

Iiconics vs Asuka/Naomi - Hey! They didn't make the hometown girls lose. At least they're still protecting Asuka by not having her take the pinfall. Either way, nice to see Peyton Royce and Billie Kay enjoy the cheers just this once.

AJ Styles vs Samoa Joe - So once again, the WWE Title match gets stuck in the mid-card somewhere. I'm trying to find a positive reasoning for this and maybe it's to give the crowd a good match before they're burnt out from the long show? This match was pretty damn good. Very hard hitting and almost 90% of it was wrestling even though it was a No DQ match. Joe immediately selling the knee when he went through the table spelled out the finish for him. I really don't know what to make of it. Where does Joe go from here? It's one thing to keep the title on AJ Styles because he's great. But when you have guys like Nakamura and Joe constantly fail to win, it makes them look weak too.

Rousey/Bellas vs Riott Squad - Match was kind of boring. I guess they tried to tell some story with the Bellas not tagging in Rousey until the end. The fun part was Liv Morgan getting some shots in on Brie as "revenge" for the concussion. Other than that, it was your typical match to make Rousey look strong.

Cedric Alexander vs Buddy Murphy - Make sure to watch this match! I dare say it stole the show. Lots of high flying action with hard hitting moves. Very happy for Buddy Murphy even though I don't think his title reign will be a long one.

Shield vs Strowman, McIntyre, and Ziggler - Another typical match that we've already seen time and time again. The only thing special out of this match is the "tease" of the Shield breaking up when Ambrose got hit with the Superman punch.

Daniel Bryan vs Miz - Daniel Bryan wins with a small package in like 2 minutes. I mean seriously? Come the **** on. The one match I was looking forward to and this happens. It reminds me of how they treated Daniel Bryan and Sheamus by giving them a 5 second match at Wrestlemania. So now Daniel Bryan faces AJ Styles at the Crown Jewel on Nov 2nd. They better have done this finish to save another match for Survivor Series or something. There's just so many PPVs going on in a short amount of time that all this booking is confusing.

Undertaker vs HHH - I kept dozing in and out of this one. It was painful to watch mainly because of how slow these guys are. It looks like HHH is in shape but Undertaker clearly isn't. Also weird to see HBK interfere so much and Kane didn't do squat on the other side of the ring. I guess it's cool for people in other countries who rarely get a chance to see Taker live, but that's about it really. This match sucked. And the ending sets up the predictable Tag Match at Crown Jewel. I hope HBK is getting millions to come out of retirement for a few matches. Next thing you know, Stone Cold is going to come out of retirement too.

Overall, it was like a 4 hour PPV. At least it wasn't 5 hours like originally planned.

ucsdguy1
October 6th, 2018, 09:39 PM
I didn’t see any of it, but think I got all I need from your post above.

ucsdguy1
October 10th, 2018, 08:09 AM
Could there have been any less of a reaction to Aiden getting "hacked"? End this already.

Charlotte/Becky was fun. The last woman standing match should also be good, but are we inevitably setting ourselves us for a double 10 count once again? I don't see Lynch losing the title at all yet, but it saves face for Flair.

Orton/Big Show could've been replaced by just about anything.

TooCool
October 10th, 2018, 01:00 PM
Could there have been any less of a reaction to Aiden getting "hacked"? End this already.

Charlotte/Becky was fun. The last woman standing match should also be good, but are we inevitably setting ourselves us for a double 10 count once again? I don't see Lynch losing the title at all yet, but it saves face for Flair.

Orton/Big Show could've been replaced by just about anything.

The Aiden/Lana video had potential but they decided to go with the obvious direction. It definitely fell flat and it gives Aiden no momentum at all really. I like his shirt and stuff so you'd think they could milk that a bit by having him sing "Aiden Day" until Rusev interrupts him and says it's his day or something.

Becky/Charlotte should be fun. I hate that they say for the first time ever, they're doing a Last Woman Standing match when Asuka and Nikki Cross had that last year! Slap in the face to the NXT brand as usual.

Big Show showing up on Smackdown to randomly wrestle a match was weird since he belongs on Raw. But its no different than Nikki showing up on Raw without a single explanation as to why she's there since she belongs on Smackdown. So much for the brand extension though... lol

As for the King of the Ring... err I mean "World Cup", it's a bit silly to call it the World Cup when it's nothing but Americans. I have no idea why John Cena is in it either if he's not allowed to take a bump. Is he going to do his 6 moves of doom and squash everyone just because he can?

One quick thing about Miz TV. So apparently they're just going to end this Daniel Bryan/Miz feud for now because Daniel won with a small package. Daniel's reasoning was he was a technical wrestler and Miz wasn't. Miz's excuse is that he won at Summerslam and Hell in a Cell. Either way, he got next.. so that's fine. I liked how he insulted AJ Styles by saying since he's been WWE Champ, he hasn't main evented. That's a nice cheap way to insult someone without actually saying that Vince loves Roman Reigns.

ucsdguy1
October 11th, 2018, 08:07 AM
Uh I can tell you why Cena's in it:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/29986a15fdb036524fa2739566730dc7/tenor.gif?itemid=7784962

Miz' final insults to both Bryan and Styles were fantastic.

My sister is canceling her wwe network account that I use as of Oct 21, as her 10 year old no longer has interest in wrestling.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1d98ee205647bb5dbc16c30bcb3852eb/tenor.gif?itemid=8538131

ucsdguy1
October 11th, 2018, 10:52 AM
And as a follow up, NXT last night...

That Ciampa/Velveteen opening segment was great!! (This NXT title says you're not "tough enough") And OMG what is Nikki Cross doing out here but this is awesome and I'm joinging in the "triple threat" chant. She obviously knows what everyone has been up to. When she knocked the mic out of Ciampa's hands twice, I swore he was going to spear her.

Cole/Ricochet/Dunne was a lot of fun. Live action commentary (spoiler alert):
Those finger breaks are brutal.
My god top rope moonsault into a flying elbow into some other sort of mid air flip, Ricochet is a freaking live action superman.
Dunne just hit Cole with one punch that sent him flying to the other end of the ring. Now Dunne is trying a double single leg boston crab to them both. What is happening.
All 3 men throwing punches, it's like an old school hardcore pit in there.
I'll take how many "whoa's" can a crowd summon in a single minute for $500 Alex.
Black flip into a double super kick. Ricochet gonna feel that in the morning.
Dunne can do moonsaults too??
Top turnbuckle double hurricanrana, because of course Ricochet would do that.
Dunne is about to break richochet's fingers and neck.
Cole's facial expression after that 2 count is poster-worthy.
Ricochet with a 450 that nearly landed him headfirst on the mat.
Wow a clean finish!

That was fun.

TooCool
October 15th, 2018, 08:27 AM
And as a follow up, NXT last night...

That Ciampa/Velveteen opening segment was great!! (This NXT title says you're not "tough enough") And OMG what is Nikki Cross doing out here but this is awesome and I'm joinging in the "triple threat" chant. She obviously knows what everyone has been up to. When she knocked the mic out of Ciampa's hands twice, I swore he was going to spear her.

Cole/Ricochet/Dunne was a lot of fun. Live action commentary (spoiler alert):
Those finger breaks are brutal.
My god top rope moonsault into a flying elbow into some other sort of mid air flip, Ricochet is a freaking live action superman.
Dunne just hit Cole with one punch that sent him flying to the other end of the ring. Now Dunne is trying a double single leg boston crab to them both. What is happening.
All 3 men throwing punches, it's like an old school hardcore pit in there.
I'll take how many "whoa's" can a crowd summon in a single minute for $500 Alex.
Black flip into a double super kick. Ricochet gonna feel that in the morning.
Dunne can do moonsaults too??
Top turnbuckle double hurricanrana, because of course Ricochet would do that.
Dunne is about to break richochet's fingers and neck.
Cole's facial expression after that 2 count is poster-worthy.
Ricochet with a 450 that nearly landed him headfirst on the mat.
Wow a clean finish!

That was fun.

Just caught that NXT episode this past weekend. The opening segment was great and hilarious at the same time. What's odd is that Ciampa would be the kind of guy to kick Nikki's ass for slapping away the microphone multiple times. :lol: And his entrance music was awesome! Maybe it's still new in my head but it might be the best entrance theme in NXT right now, just ahead of Ricochet, Street Profits, and Gargano.

That was my first time actually seeing Keith Lee wrestle a match. Maybe he fought in previous episodes but I likely skipped it. He is not in the greatest shape (appearance wise) but man is he agile. He easily reminds me of Samoa Joe. As for Kona Reeves, that guy bores me. I appreciate the effort he and the NXT staff has done with his gimmick. At least he stands out a bit more compared to the last time I saw him wrestle months ago.

The Triple Threat match was super insane as you described. They really don't hold back which is really nuts. Since we're all used to seeing RAW and Smackdown, those TV episodes are rarely worth watching and they definitely won't have 30 minute matches like that either. That is what makes NXT so great. We get 5 star caliber matches at any given time, and they're not just saved for PPVs. Also I just realized that every wrestler gets their full entrances too, which none of it being cut short or skipped completely. That's how you develop the wrestlers and how you get the audience to give them a chance.

ucsdguy1
October 16th, 2018, 10:23 AM
I'm totally bored with the Strowman/McYntire/Ziggler vs Shield angle. Let Ambrose turn already so they can feud amongst themselves, and let Drew and Dolph do their own thing. I can't believe I was happier with Kurt Angle's 10 second conga dance.

TooCool
October 16th, 2018, 11:00 AM
I'm totally bored with the Strowman/McYntire/Ziggler vs Shield angle. Let Ambrose turn already so they can feud amongst themselves, and let Drew and Dolph do their own thing. I can't believe I was happier with Kurt Angle's 10 second conga dance.

I read the results and that's what I thought. Shield vs Strowman, McIntyre, and Ziggler again? Is this is 10th week in a row they've done it? Yikes. At least they finally "broke up" Strowman and the Tag Champs I guess. But the constant "teasing" of an Ambrose turn means it won't happen. Just look at Rollins and how that came out of nowhere.

I'm excited for the Smackdown 1000th episode tonight. Not sure if anything important will come out of it other than guest appearances by Evolution (who was never on Smackdown at the time of their stable), Edge (probably?), The Rock (they haven't announced him but he really should be there), James Ellsworth (because why not), The Undertaker (finally he shows up on his brand), and the return of Rey Mysterio full time.

Two more World Cup Qualifying matches...

Rey Mysterio vs Shinsuke Nakamura should be fun if given 15+ minutes. No way Rey loses in his first match back so that sucks for Shinsuke.
Rusev vs The Miz is the other match. The Miz should win this obviously with the help of Aiden English.

Anyway, it should be fun!

ucsdguy1
October 17th, 2018, 08:40 AM
More Truth TV.....always.


Dance break.




So.....was Batista drunk, nervous, amped, all of the above? Either way that promo was good but I thought went too long. Nevertheless it appears they just set up Batista vs. HHH at Wrestlemania or one of the other 19 upcoming events down the road. I didn't think there was that much of nostalgia aside from the 3 minute intro and teddy long/guerrero appearance.

Obviously Aiden caused Rusev to lose the Miz. But he got his come-uppance, already?

Becky with Edge, so good. They clearly set this up to paint Becky Lynch as a heel, and once again she elicits a ton more cheers. That don't hurt your neck getting out of the ring line.....savage.

So Big Show just helped the Bar become tag champs once again. Because, huh? And the Bar again, really? Usos up next......again?

Mysterio/Nakamura was fun but not long enough, and as you mentioned, sucks Shinsuke had to take a clean pinfall. How the star has fallen.

ucsdguy1
October 18th, 2018, 10:05 AM
Could be my last nxt episode for awhile :(

War Raiders/Undisputed - once again quite a bit of fun, and could be nuts with an even longer ppv match. Figured Undisputed would find a way to retain, and good to see Bobby Fish healthy to get back into the swing of things. Undisputed actually had a fair amount of offense given the aura of the war raiders. So with Fish back, does he step back into the tag team title holders or he's just a 4th wheel until they find another title for him? And War Raiders, while fun, seem to be another pair that will get lost at the top level. This does though continue to set up Undisputed vs. Ricochet/War Raiders/hopefully Dunne at Wargames.

You know, as brutal as Baszler can be, I kind of wish for the big NXT women's match at Evolution that had something other than Sane/Baszler. I'm just not sure it's going to be as mind blowing as some other matches could/would have been in times past. Can we find a way to get Nikki Cross, or even Belair in there? (p.s. Belair/Cross had some pretty decent chemistry, albeit it was more of a showcase for Belair). Hoping Sane and Baszler can find enough to make it exciting, I just hope it's not a long match of tapping holds of the wwe universe will lose interest quickly, especially when they aren't as familiar with the participants.

Back on Cross, stoic Black vs. crazy Nikki is great. Oh and look at some of the reactions of the fans in the front row when the lights came back on Black was sitting in the ring (particularly a guy in a black shirt with his hands on the bannister). What a cliffhanger! But it's gotta be gargano...

Since I have about 3 days left, I decided to watch the first episode of NXT UK. I didn't know who half the guys/ladies were, but that pop mustache mountain got was pretty nice. Pete Dunne is always Pete Dunne.

LetTigerIn
October 18th, 2018, 03:03 PM
Could be my last nxt episode for awhile :(

War Raiders/Undisputed - once again quite a bit of fun, and could be nuts with an even longer ppv match. Figured Undisputed would find a way to retain, and good to see Bobby Fish healthy to get back into the swing of things. Undisputed actually had a fair amount of offense given the aura of the war raiders. So with Fish back, does he step back into the tag team title holders or he's just a 4th wheel until they find another title for him? And War Raiders, while fun, seem to be another pair that will get lost at the top level. This does though continue to set up Undisputed vs. Ricochet/War Raiders/hopefully Dunne at Wargames.

You know, as brutal as Baszler can be, I kind of wish for the big NXT women's match at Evolution that had something other than Sane/Baszler. I'm just not sure it's going to be as mind blowing as some other matches could/would have been in times past. Can we find a way to get Nikki Cross, or even Belair in there? (p.s. Belair/Cross had some pretty decent chemistry, albeit it was more of a showcase for Belair). Hoping Sane and Baszler can find enough to make it exciting, I just hope it's not a long match of tapping holds of the wwe universe will lose interest quickly, especially when they aren't as familiar with the participants.

Back on Cross, stoic Black vs. crazy Nikki is great. Oh and look at some of the reactions of the fans in the front row when the lights came back on Black was sitting in the ring (particularly a guy in a black shirt with his hands on the bannister). What a cliffhanger! But it's gotta be gargano...

Since I have about 3 days left, I decided to watch the first episode of NXT UK. I didn't know who half the guys/ladies were, but that pop mustache mountain got was pretty nice. Pete Dunne is always Pete Dunne.


I want Baszler and Rousey vs Bellas

ucsdguy1
October 18th, 2018, 03:52 PM
I want Baszler and Rousey vs Bellas
You know I could actually see the Bellas taking a DQ and doubling up on Rousey, but I doubt Baszler would be the one to save her yet. Too hard with Rousey being a face and Baszler being a strong heel, unless it's a big one time thing. The crowd would probably eat it up though.

LetTigerIn
October 18th, 2018, 04:24 PM
You know I could actually see the Bellas taking a DQ and doubling up on Rousey, but I doubt Baszler would be the one to save her yet. Too hard with Rousey being a face and Baszler being a strong heel, unless it's a big one time thing. The crowd would probably eat it up though.

I didn't say it would make any sense. I just said I wanted it. :D

TooCool
October 19th, 2018, 07:27 AM
So.....was Batista drunk, nervous, amped, all of the above? Either way that promo was good but I thought went too long. Nevertheless it appears they just set up Batista vs. HHH at Wrestlemania or one of the other 19 upcoming events down the road. I didn't think there was that much of nostalgia aside from the 3 minute intro and teddy long/guerrero appearance.

Obviously Aiden caused Rusev to lose the Miz. But he got his come-uppance, already?

Becky with Edge, so good. They clearly set this up to paint Becky Lynch as a heel, and once again she elicits a ton more cheers. That don't hurt your neck getting out of the ring line.....savage.

So Big Show just helped the Bar become tag champs once again. Because, huh? And the Bar again, really? Usos up next......again?

Mysterio/Nakamura was fun but not long enough, and as you mentioned, sucks Shinsuke had to take a clean pinfall. How the star has fallen.

Oh hey! I guess I wasn't the only one who thought Batista was drunk as well! Though to be fair, he wasn't always good on the mic so you could tell that he was trying hard to remember his lines.

What bothered me about the Aiden/Rusev thing was because of time constraints they immediately cut away from the "brawl". I mean come on now...

Big Show helping The Bar to win the Tag Titles was interesting. I had a feeling the titles would change hands because they didn't announce this match ahead of time. It's like they threw it together because it's the 1000th episode, and you know how WWE works.. they love it when something happens on milestone episodes. If you go back to watch the start of the match, you can see Big E making sure he kisses the title before the ref took it away from him. I'm pretty sure he never did that in the past. As for Big Show though... if he's a manager for The Bar, that could be interesting. If this was a one time thing then it's way too random... but people online are saying the joke is that Big Show turned heel for the 1000th time.

I also liked that savage line from Becky to Edge. Seeing Edge and Mysterio come out to no pyro made me cry inside. It just goes to show you how important pyro is to entrances.


Could be my last nxt episode for awhile :(

War Raiders/Undisputed - once again quite a bit of fun, and could be nuts with an even longer ppv match. Figured Undisputed would find a way to retain, and good to see Bobby Fish healthy to get back into the swing of things. Undisputed actually had a fair amount of offense given the aura of the war raiders. So with Fish back, does he step back into the tag team title holders or he's just a 4th wheel until they find another title for him? And War Raiders, while fun, seem to be another pair that will get lost at the top level. This does though continue to set up Undisputed vs. Ricochet/War Raiders/hopefully Dunne at Wargames.

You know, as brutal as Baszler can be, I kind of wish for the big NXT women's match at Evolution that had something other than Sane/Baszler. I'm just not sure it's going to be as mind blowing as some other matches could/would have been in times past. Can we find a way to get Nikki Cross, or even Belair in there? (p.s. Belair/Cross had some pretty decent chemistry, albeit it was more of a showcase for Belair). Hoping Sane and Baszler can find enough to make it exciting, I just hope it's not a long match of tapping holds of the wwe universe will lose interest quickly, especially when they aren't as familiar with the participants.

Back on Cross, stoic Black vs. crazy Nikki is great. Oh and look at some of the reactions of the fans in the front row when the lights came back on Black was sitting in the ring (particularly a guy in a black shirt with his hands on the bannister). What a cliffhanger! But it's gotta be gargano...

Since I have about 3 days left, I decided to watch the first episode of NXT UK. I didn't know who half the guys/ladies were, but that pop mustache mountain got was pretty nice. Pete Dunne is always Pete Dunne.

Bad time to not be subbed to the WWE Network anymore! :( Especially with the buildup to TakeOver for us at Staples.

I haven't watched NXT yet so I can't comment on it. I saw the opening for NXT UK and that was interesting. Not sure how much of that I'll watch because I don't know anyone there besides Dunne, Bate, Trent Seven, etc. But I'm definitely open to giving them a chance.

ucsdguy1
October 19th, 2018, 07:47 AM
Bad time to not be subbed to the WWE Network anymore! :( Especially with the buildup to TakeOver for us at Staples.

I haven't watched NXT yet so I can't comment on it. I saw the opening for NXT UK and that was interesting. Not sure how much of that I'll watch because I don't know anyone there besides Dunne, Bate, Trent Seven, etc. But I'm definitely open to giving them a chance.
I know I may just start the free month Wednesday which should get me to at least Takeover then decide if I cancel.

Big Show turning for the 1000th time. I like that.

Booker T said yesterday if wwe asked he would definitely get back into a match. Tell me he did not just say that....

TooCool
October 24th, 2018, 01:55 PM
So I'm sure you all heard by now about Roman Reigns. I didn't bother tuning into RAW but when I went to read the results I was floored.

It especially hit me hard since my dad passed away from lung and brain cancer back in 99.. and since this is Roman's 2nd go at it, yikes. All the best to him. At least he's a millionare now compared to the past when he said he had it and he had no job.

ucsdguy1
October 24th, 2018, 09:06 PM
So I'm sure you all heard by now about Roman Reigns. I didn't bother tuning into RAW but when I went to read the results I was floored.

It especially hit me hard since my dad passed away from lung and brain cancer back in 99.. and since this is Roman's 2nd go at it, yikes. All the best to him. At least he's a millionare now compared to the past when he said he had it and he had no job.
I couldn’t believe it either. Sorry to hear about your father. Apparently not many people backstage knew either, the reactions filmed after the fact were quite touching.

ucsdguy1
October 26th, 2018, 08:36 AM
So I read and saw a quick clip from NXT Wednesday, and spoiler alert................



It appears Johnny Gargano was Black's attacker (duh). Ciampa put the below tweets out. Heel DIY?

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TooCool
October 27th, 2018, 01:06 PM
So I read and saw a quick clip from NXT Wednesday, and spoiler alert................



It appears Johnny Gargano was Black's attacker (duh). Ciampa put the below tweets out. Heel DIY?

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Heel DIY would be amazing but I fear their Tag Team run is over. And if they do reunite, it'll be in the WWE on 205 Live or something because Vince. :facepalm:

Anyway, speaking of spoilers here are the rumors for what we will see at TakeOver!

NXT Championship Match
Tommaso Ciampa (c) vs. Velveteen Dream

Johnny Gargano vs. Aleister Black

War Games
The War Raiders, Pete Dunne, and Ricochet vs. The Undisputed Era

NXT Women's Title
Champion Kairi Sane or Shayna Baszler vs. Bianca Belair

Kassius Ohno vs. Matt Riddle

All I have to say is that I really hope I get to see Kairi Sane at Staples. I don't care for Shayna Baszler at all, even if she has improved a lot. The rest of the card looks great as usual.

ucsdguy1
October 27th, 2018, 07:30 PM
Heel DIY would be amazing but I fear their Tag Team run is over. And if they do reunite, it'll be in the WWE on 205 Live or something because Vince. :facepalm:

Anyway, speaking of spoilers here are the rumors for what we will see at TakeOver!

NXT Championship Match
Tommaso Ciampa (c) vs. Velveteen Dream

Johnny Gargano vs. Aleister Black

War Games
The War Raiders, Pete Dunne, and Ricochet vs. The Undisputed Era

NXT Women's Title
Champion Kairi Sane or Shayna Baszler vs. Bianca Belair

Kassius Ohno vs. Matt Riddle

All I have to say is that I really hope I get to see Kairi Sane at Staples. I don't care for Shayna Baszler at all, even if she has improved a lot. The rest of the card looks great as usual.
And I hope we get to see Nikki cross in some fashion!

That’s a pretty darn solid lineup.

TooCool
October 28th, 2018, 09:51 PM
WWE Evolution was really good tonight. To me, it felt like an NXT TakeOver with the way it was produced. Even the lighting felt like TakeOver where it's dark almost everywhere and the light only focuses on the ring. Here's my review if you want some reading material.

Trish & Lita vs Alicia Fox & Mickie James w/Alexa Bliss - Smart idea to start this match first. I believe they said something about the first 30 minutes being on Twitter for free so it was a great way to get that nostalgia action in there. The crowd was red hot for it so it was great to see. I thought the action was pretty good overall. The only glaring thing was a huge Alicia Fox botch where she was suppose to break up the 3 count when Mickie got pinned. When the ref counted to 2, you could see Mickie signaling to Alicia "break up the fall!" and the ref could have counted to 4 before Alicia even broke it up. Thankfully that was the only ugly part of the match. But other than that, great action and Trish and Lita looks great as usual.

Women's Battle Royal - Pretty predictable match here. It has it comedy moments like the Iiconics coming out last and talking trash to everyone, so they both got tossed out in 3 seconds. A lot of the "legends" like Kelly Kelly, Torrie Wilson, Molly Holly, and Alundra Blaze were getting thrown out fast by Mandy Rose and Sonya Deville. Until Mandy did the typical stupid thing in eliminating her partner super early. Michelle McCool got in some decent offense and Ivory lasted the longest which was surprising. We got a dance break with Carmella and Ivory which was stupid but fun. I mean, I guess that's her gimmick now right? Asuka and Naomi got in some offense but neither of them did much. The final four was Ember Moon, Tamina, Nia Jax, and Zelina Vega. Zelina rolled out of the ring early in the match and stayed out there until the very end. The crowd was clearly behind Ember Moon but they wanted to give the win to Nia Jax.

After the match, Nia was interviewed in the ring and did the same sob story we already saw before. Seriously now... we've seen this gimmick before. Are we suppose to feel bad for her again because she's big? And besides, this was just a battle royal and not a Wrestlemania moment. So the crying was dumb in my opinion.

Mae Young Classic Finals: Toni Storm vs. Io Sharai - Wow this match was fun. I had a feeling Toni was going to win because WWE was not going to let 2 Japanese Stars win back to back Mae Young Classics. But still, Io Sharai looked very strong in the match while losing. She got off a top rope moonsault and even a 619. Toni Storm's finisher reminds me of Tyler Bate's finisher as it's the same Tiger Driver. All I have to say is that this was a good match and it got decent time.

Sasha/Bayley/Natalya vs. Riott Squad - Unfortunately this was my bathroom break match. I didn't care much for it. It felt like your usual match we see on RAW. The story is that the Riott Squad worked super well as a team. They were killing Sasha Banks with every move but she kept kicking out. There was one point in the match where Bayley has seen enough so she even covered Sasha to eat a top rope senton from Ruby Riott. I think there were a little too much near falls for this match that meant nothing. In the end, the faces won after Bayley did the Macho Man elbow drop and then Sasha Banks used the Frog Splash like Eddie Guerrero.

NXT Women's Championship Match: Kairi Sane vs. Shayna Bazler - This match was pretty darn fun. Shayna worked on Kairi's arm and fingers just like Pete Dunne. Kairi had her fair share of offense and never really looked outmatched. Unfortunately Kairi lost the NXT Women's Title because of outside interference thanks to the MMA Horsewomen (minus Ronda). The female NXT ref conveniently missed all the outside interference because refs are blind right? Kairi fought the submission choke hold as long as she could until she passed out. Bleh... I guess we won't see Kairi Sane at TakeOver then unless she's inserted in a Triple Threat Match or something.

Last Women Standing Match for the Smackdown Women's Championship: Becky Lynch vs. Charlotte - I highly suggest you find a way to watch this match even if you don't have the Network anymore ucsd! This match went like 35-40 minutes and they went all out. They used Kendo sticks, chairs, tables, ladders, and the title as a weapon in this match. The crowd was firmly behind Becky Lynch and these two did not disappoint. I don't know how else to describe it but this was the kind of match you'll only get in NXT in my opinion. That's why it didn't feel like a WWE PPV. They really didn't hold back and they didn't give a **** that they upstaged Ronda/Nikki. In the end, Becky retained the title by powerbombing Charlotte off the top turnbuckle onto the table at ringside.

RAW Women's Championship Match: Ronda Rousey vs. Nikki Bella - This match was... okay. Lots of outside interference from Brie, which was fine. Ronda sold a lot of attacks. Nikki kept it competitive and they went like 10-15 minutes? The outcome was predictable as Nikki stood no chance in winning. But as far as a Ronda match goes, Nikki was a better opponent compared to Alexa Bliss.

So all in all, a really fun PPV. It started at 4 PM and it ended like at 7:20 PM so that was good.

ucsdguy1
October 29th, 2018, 08:20 AM
Before I begin, I was at the Kings game yesterday, I expected at least some mention of the whole weekend - I saw one quick video ad for Raw on the monday night after in between all the concert and sports promos and that was it. My favorite moment though was walking by a guy wearing a bWo shirt, yelling "long live big stevie cool and the blue meanie" and getting a bro hug in return. the "nxt nxt" chant during the opening period fight did not catch on (nor were my kids amused).

Wow I forgot Evolution was happening (shows the WWE's full promotion with Crown Jewel forthcoming). Based on the reviews I've read and the above, I may just try the free month of wwe network to watch it, and get me through at least takeover.

I read with the Battle Royal that it was at least nice to see all the women get proper introductions for crowd reaction. I admit I barely know anything about the mae young girls but am hearing the tournament has been really good.

So are the 4 mma horsewomen coming to pass? I wish Sane would've had a bit of a longer title run. But, does this set up a 4 on 4 women's match at wargames? That would get Sane on the card for you..

Flair/Lynch sounded awesome and will probably by itself warrant my free month trial as mentioned above. My rag reading indicated the crowd was 99.5% behind Lynch, and plenty of "ec dub" worthy moments. Glad to see them tear the roof off the place.

ucsdguy1
October 30th, 2018, 09:06 AM
Okay I watched.

Charlotte/Lynch - everything I expected. Charlotte took some serious bumps in this one. I couldn't figure if the table not breaking on her first dive was a miscalculation, but she seemed to go into the second quite quickly. The powerbomb onto the table on the floor was rough. There were a few times I thought Charlotte didn't get to her feet but the ref stopped counting; maybe they were to her knees? This definitely should've headlined.

Rousey/Bella - Rousey was okay I guess, but this match did little for me. Probably worn out after the prior match, but it seemed like going through the motions. At least Rhonda took a few hits and sold fairly well. I think they just announced Rousey vs. Lynch for Survivor Series, which could be very intersting. I imagine somehow it doesn't end cleanly to keep both women with their heat and momentum.

Sane/Bazler ? this match actually made me much more into Kairi. She was phenomenal and really sold battling back again and again and again. That frog splash from the top to the floor, sheesh. Baszler still doesn?t do much for me but the new MMA 4 Horsewomen should at least be a new plotline to develop.

Storm/Sharai ? I liked this one a lot too despite not knowing much about the girls. Shirai definitely is an ode to Rey Mysterio, although to me she?s kind of the female ricochet no? I would?ve liked this match to get an additional 10 or so minutes but it did the trick.
Battle Royal ? okay I guess. More about shining on all the other women. Liked that Iconics actually got to do a promo beforehand, before they were bushwhacker-esque eliminated immediately. Seemed to set up Moon vs. Jax, although last night on Raw that seemed to almost end and set up Tamina vs. Jax.

I?ll admit the other two matches were more or less throwaways that I didn?t pay much attention to.

ucsdguy1
October 30th, 2018, 10:01 AM
1 other thought - Tamina more or less smiled at Jax, who used the distraction to pummel and beat Moon. What if it's a heel turn for Jax by which she aligns with Tamina and we have the new Natural Disasters? Perfect timing for a women's tag team division...... :)

ucsdguy1
November 2nd, 2018, 02:47 PM
I didn't watch Crown Jewel out of principle, but let me just say I HATE the title back on Lesnar.

Cross Traffic
November 2nd, 2018, 03:16 PM
Sounds like they really put on a ****show for $45m, maybe to get out of the contract.

Dexter
November 2nd, 2018, 06:30 PM
https://streamable.com/0qql1

ucsdguy1
November 6th, 2018, 09:08 PM
Welp, it was to be.....they COMPLETELY FLUB NIKKI CROSS’ CALL UP!!!

ucsdguy1
November 7th, 2018, 09:06 AM
I woke up this morning with a reflection of both dismay and positivity (kind of like after watching 4 hours of cnn and fox news yesterday)

Yes, they totally f'd up Nikki Cross' call up (if that was a call up and not a one time thing since they were in the UK). I mean a tapout? Really????? Yes they may have prohibited her from being a part of Takeover next week. Yes most people probably don't remember who Sanity is. Yes Rusev seems to be an afterthought who didn't even get a sniff of being on the Smackdown team. Yes Almas went toe to toe with Mysterio and is just as good, so to see him get the push ::cough::

But, there's also the nuance of Miz/Bryan agreeing on things then feeling really dirty about it. That was brilliant. I'm not sure if Bryan's attacking everyone at the end was meant as a heel turn or just a "f all of you but the fans still love me" kind of thing. Speaking of which, Lynch is so awesome. I'm not sure who the crowd fully embraces in her matchup with Rousey but I am definitely on Team Lynch.

So on the following Survivor Series matches:

Lynch/Rousey
Styles/Lesnar

How the hell does either side win in either match and keep their credibility as champion?? At least in Rollins/Nakamura you know Dean will cause Rollins to lose giving him an out.

Also, it could be a 7 hour pay per view because just the entrances for the men's, women's and tag team team matches could take 3 hours.

TooCool
November 7th, 2018, 10:39 AM
I woke up this morning with a reflection of both dismay and positivity (kind of like after watching 4 hours of cnn and fox news yesterday)

Yes, they totally f'd up Nikki Cross' call up (if that was a call up and not a one time thing since they were in the UK). I mean a tapout? Really????? Yes they may have prohibited her from being a part of Takeover next week. Yes most people probably don't remember who Sanity is. Yes Rusev seems to be an afterthought who didn't even get a sniff of being on the Smackdown team. Yes Almas went toe to toe with Mysterio and is just as good, so to see him get the push ::cough::

But, there's also the nuance of Miz/Bryan agreeing on things then feeling really dirty about it. That was brilliant. I'm not sure if Bryan's attacking everyone at the end was meant as a heel turn or just a "f all of you but the fans still love me" kind of thing. Speaking of which, Lynch is so awesome. I'm not sure who the crowd fully embraces in her matchup with Rousey but I am definitely on Team Lynch.

So on the following Survivor Series matches:

Lynch/Rousey
Styles/Lesnar

How the hell does either side win in either match and keep their credibility as champion?? At least in Rollins/Nakamura you know Dean will cause Rollins to lose giving him an out.

Also, it could be a 7 hour pay per view because just the entrances for the men's, women's and tag team team matches could take 3 hours.

Damn it ucsd, I can't disagree with anything you said.. lol

So I caught clips of Smackdown last night since I was at the Kings game...

- Nikki Cross finally being called up (maybe) was good. I personally felt like she didn't do much on her on being stuck in NXT. Then of course, Sanity didn't do **** either on Smackdown because the genius booking staff doesn't know how to use them. So if Nikki is on Smackdown moving forward, hopefully something good can happen for Sanity moving forward.

- While it sucks that she tapped out to Becky, I think it's sort of okay. Becky is literally on "fire" right now so it's okay. It doesn't hurt Nikki's credibility or anything, as long as they keep Nikki crazy it should be fine.

As for Lesnar/Styles and Rousey/Lynch I'm definitely not a fan of those matches. Last year Styles had to lose to Lesnar as well. You would think that Styles will get his win back this year right? But that's the sad part because I don't see it happening. Vince always sees RAW as the #1 (http://letsgokings.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1) brand no matter what, so AJ and Becky are going to lose their respective matches.

But that's where you mentioned Shinsuke defeating Seth comes into play. At least with those matches, you can have outside interference to make it so that the loser doesn't look bad for losing.

And last of all.. I'm sure you heard but Smackdown was heavily edited. That was the audio seemed weird... They were chanting for CM Punk like crazy since they were stupid enough to keep using the phrase "Best in the World".

ucsdguy1
November 7th, 2018, 03:06 PM
Damn it ucsd, I can't disagree with anything you said.. lol

So I caught clips of Smackdown last night since I was at the Kings game...

- Nikki Cross finally being called up (maybe) was good. I personally felt like she didn't do much on her on being stuck in NXT. Then of course, Sanity didn't do **** either on Smackdown because the genius booking staff doesn't know how to use them. So if Nikki is on Smackdown moving forward, hopefully something good can happen for Sanity moving forward.

- While it sucks that she tapped out to Becky, I think it's sort of okay. Becky is literally on "fire" right now so it's okay. It doesn't hurt Nikki's credibility or anything, as long as they keep Nikki crazy it should be fine.

As for Lesnar/Styles and Rousey/Lynch I'm definitely not a fan of those matches. Last year Styles had to lose to Lesnar as well. You would think that Styles will get his win back this year right? But that's the sad part because I don't see it happening. Vince always sees RAW as the #1 (http://letsgokings.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1) brand no matter what, so AJ and Becky are going to lose their respective matches.

But that's where you mentioned Shinsuke defeating Seth comes into play. At least with those matches, you can have outside interference to make it so that the loser doesn't look bad for losing.

And last of all.. I'm sure you heard but Smackdown was heavily edited. That was the audio seemed weird... They were chanting for CM Punk like crazy since they were stupid enough to keep using the phrase "Best in the World".
Ha I had no idea it was edited. That is pretty funny. I love when they go to the UK because of the crowds.

Absolutely no way Styles beats Lesnar. I just can't see it happening. I can't see them letting Rousey lose either. My hunch on that one is Lynch probably gets herself disqualified with a chair or the belt or something, tries to put the arm bar on Rousey then jumps out of the ring just as she's going to reverse it.

Back on Nikki - I know losing to Lynch isn't that bad considering how on fire she is. But come on, introduce crazy Nikki in any other fashion. Have her interfere in a match, have her be a first opponent for someone else. Have her come out as this crazy character who's going to run amok WITHOUT LOSING HER VERY FIRST MATCH! Now she's just this scottish woman who just tapped out. Also Cross didn't do any biting of the ropes unless I missed it, and I always chuckled at that. Considering they were in the UK, and they just started NXT UK, why not just pick one the ladies from there to show up? The announcers could still easily have described who she was, and you'd probably still get her a crowd pop.

ucsdguy1
November 8th, 2018, 11:23 AM
Moving on - I don't know why last night's NXT episode is not on wwe network yet, but I managed to find some highlights online.

Velveteen Dream/Sullivan was good enough for what it was. Dream got a fair amount of offense in before Ciampa's interference. They have set up Dream as the face in this matchup. I fully expect Ciampa to win at Takeover, especially since Dream got the upper hand last night. But it should be a pretty fun matchup.

Gargano's montage was a good one. He's no longer afraid of the dark, and kind of enjoys it. He says Black stood between him and the ultimate goal of defeating Ciampa, and he's still the same guy just willing to fight a bit dirty. His match with Black should be a war. I guess after the turn Gargano has to win that one? Where does Black go then? and if he truly is a heel now, can they have him fight Ciampa again after? Did we also notice Candace LeRae coming out in all black?

Also - they announced Baszler/Sane at Takeover will be a 2 out of 3 falls match. Huh. Baszler has to win again with help from her friends right? Regal perhaps should look to ban them from ringside? Cue 1 pin each and Io Shirai or whoever else comes out to even the odds....? Either way TooCool is stoked to get more Sane.

TooCool
November 8th, 2018, 11:58 AM
Moving on - I don't know why last night's NXT episode is not on wwe network yet, but I managed to find some highlights online.

Velveteen Dream/Sullivan was good enough for what it was. Dream got a fair amount of offense in before Ciampa's interference. They have set up Dream as the face in this matchup. I fully expect Ciampa to win at Takeover, especially since Dream got the upper hand last night. But it should be a pretty fun matchup.

Gargano's montage was a good one. He's no longer afraid of the dark, and kind of enjoys it. He says Black stood between him and the ultimate goal of defeating Ciampa, and he's still the same guy just willing to fight a bit dirty. His match with Black should be a war. I guess after the turn Gargano has to win that one? Where does Black go then? and if he truly is a heel now, can they have him fight Ciampa again after? Did we also notice Candace LeRae coming out in all black?

Also - they announced Baszler/Sane at Takeover will be a 2 out of 3 falls match. Huh. Baszler has to win again with help from her friends right? Regal perhaps should look to ban them from ringside? Cue 1 pin each and Io Shirai or whoever else comes out to even the odds....? Either way TooCool is stoked to get more Sane.

More Kairi Sane is always a good thing!

If Candace LeRae is in all black does this mean she automatically turned heel too? o_o

In random news, according to the dirt sheets RAW moving forward will no longer have an over-run. So it'll end right on the dot at 11 PM, just like how Smackdown always ends at 10 PM.

TooCool
November 13th, 2018, 10:44 AM
Looks like we're only getting 4 matches for TakeOver as they are all expected to get decent amount of time.

Riddle vs Ohno is still on, but it's going to be taped before the PPV for the NXT episode the following week.

As for RAW... I can't help but laugh at the fact that Stephanie, Cole, Graves, etc act surprise as if they don't know a Smackdown attack is happening. It's funny that they pretend it doesn't happen every year. And of course, a minor gripe would be Becky's music playing after she attacked Rousey. Silly to play a superstar's music when they're not on your show. But WWE has always done this... so that's why it's a minor gripe. Just silly is all.

So that means RAW men will "attack" tonight to even the score.

Dexter
November 13th, 2018, 05:46 PM
Finally found the show from when my brother's band played at the border of Washington/Idaho. Henry1515 was there before it began.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM7bGo0KYBA

ucsdguy1
November 13th, 2018, 06:34 PM
I’ve been away due to the fires and didn’t see raw. Heard lynch was pulled from survivor series due to a fracture in her face she got from a Jax punch. Is this true or a work?

TooCool
November 13th, 2018, 06:50 PM
I’ve been away due to the fires and didn’t see raw. Heard lynch was pulled from survivor series due to a fracture in her face she got from a Jax punch. Is this true or a work?

Hope you're alright.

Unfortunately it looks like it's true. Nia Jax's careless punch to Becky's face = broken nose + concussion. Becky is pulled and we'll find out who replaces her tonight. =x At least Becky doesn't have to job to Ronda I guess.

ucsdguy1
November 14th, 2018, 09:12 AM
Hope you're alright.

Unfortunately it looks like it's true. Nia Jax's careless punch to Becky's face = broken nose + concussion. Becky is pulled and we'll find out who replaces her tonight. =x At least Becky doesn't have to job to Ronda I guess.
Thanks. Sobering to be evacuated from your house for 6 days and watch the news Friday night taking place from in front of your house while neighbors still there were sending video of a fire behind your backyard.

Managed to catch a few segments online from last night - that Lynch hug with Charlotte was odd, considering everything they've been doing with her character. I fully expect Rousey to run over Charlotte thus continuing her lack of confidence storyline.

Uh WTF with Daniel Bryan? Rushed story much?

ucsdguy1
November 16th, 2018, 01:33 PM
Final Takeover predictions:

Undisputed vs. War Machine/Ricochet/Dunne: This should be brutal and intense. I'm going to say the faces on this one just because most of my other predictions are for the heels.

Ciampa vs. Dream: I wish there was a longer build-up to this one as it seemed kind of rushes. Should be a lot of fun and I'm sure Dream gets his time to shine, but I don't see any way Ciampa loses this match or the title.

Black vs. Johnny: Build up, while somewhat predictable of the "whodunnit", has been good on this. I expect Gargano to win as after his heel turn he can't possibly lose his first match. Probably by nefarious means. Then we'll find out where he goes from there, whether a re-match with Black or straight at the title.

Baszler vs. Sane: Sane will get at least 1 fall, but Baszler will retain. Somehow the other mma horsewomen will get involved. Perhaps Sane gets some backup of her own. But Baszler will retain.

Taped: Bro vs. Kassius: Wouldn't mind Riddle taking it as his Bro persona does kind of make me chuckle. But after all Ohno has been talking re: the new blood, he's got to back it up. Perhaps Riddle takes a cheap pin then Ohno destroys him after the fact.

With only 4 matches this really has the potential to have some outstanding wrestling. And HHH will be there from how it appears. Looking at my tickets this morning I didn't realize this starts at 3:15 pm. Yeesh. I'm assuming the taped match then the actual ppv starts at 4, but I'm not even sure I'm going to make it by 3:15..

TooCool
November 16th, 2018, 02:37 PM
Final Takeover predictions:

Undisputed vs. War Machine/Ricochet/Dunne: This should be brutal and intense. I'm going to say the faces on this one just because most of my other predictions are for the heels.

Ciampa vs. Dream: I wish there was a longer build-up to this one as it seemed kind of rushes. Should be a lot of fun and I'm sure Dream gets his time to shine, but I don't see any way Ciampa loses this match or the title.

Black vs. Johnny: Build up, while somewhat predictable of the "whodunnit", has been good on this. I expect Gargano to win as after his heel turn he can't possibly lose his first match. Probably by nefarious means. Then we'll find out where he goes from there, whether a re-match with Black or straight at the title.

Baszler vs. Sane: Sane will get at least 1 fall, but Baszler will retain. Somehow the other mma horsewomen will get involved. Perhaps Sane gets some backup of her own. But Baszler will retain.

Taped: Bro vs. Kassius: Wouldn't mind Riddle taking it as his Bro persona does kind of make me chuckle. But after all Ohno has been talking re: the new blood, he's got to back it up. Perhaps Riddle takes a cheap pin then Ohno destroys him after the fact.

With only 4 matches this really has the potential to have some outstanding wrestling. And HHH will be there from how it appears. Looking at my tickets this morning I didn't realize this starts at 3:15 pm. Yeesh. I'm assuming the taped match then the actual ppv starts at 4, but I'm not even sure I'm going to make it by 3:15..

Agree with your predictions.

- I don't see Undisputed winning this though quite frankly, I don't think it hurts anyone to come out of this brutal match a loser. You know all 8 of them will give it their all and that's all you can ask for.

- Gargano should definitely win this one. Especially since Aleister Black isn't undefeated anymore.

- I also don't see The Velveteen Dream winning it yet oddly enough he would turn more heads if he did.

- I don't see Baszler dropping the NXT Women's Title at all, not until after Wrestlemania. They're going to take this horsewomen thing and run with it.

- Matt Riddle should win right? Does Kassius really need it? He's kind of like a jobber in NXT at this rate. =x

Yep, the PPV is at 4. I guess they liked the start time of Evolution being at 4 PM so TakeOver is the same way instead of 5 PM. That means the show is ending at 6:30-7:00 PM. On the Staples Center website it says the doors will open at 1:45 PM. But I've heard conflicting reports that the doors actually open at 2:30 PM. So we'll see...

I remember when I used to attend WWE Events they didn't open the damn doors until 15 minutes before the 1st dark match, so that would be super annoying with everyone scrambling to their seats and/or trying to buy food and drinks. Dexter, waterboy, Matt Young and I will be at the Yardhouse at 2. I'm stoked.

LetTigerIn
November 16th, 2018, 03:12 PM
I still say put Ohno on the main roster for a years-long feud with Kevin Owens.

ucsdguy1
November 16th, 2018, 03:29 PM
I still say put Ohno on the main roster for a years-long feud with Kevin Owens.

They were selling a KO Show zip up hoodie on wwe.com this weekend for $10. I was so close to buying.

And TooCool all I remember going to the last ppv at staples center (No Mercy 2017) was that only about a quarter of the food vendors were open and it took a ****load of time to get food. I think I missed 3/4 of the Balor match because of it.

So do I wear my Sammy Zayn shirt, Bayley, Blissfit wifebeater, or just go old school once again with Harlem Heat.....or perhaps just the jericho alpha club shirt. decisions.

TooCool
November 16th, 2018, 04:33 PM
They were selling a KO Show zip up hoodie on wwe.com this weekend for $10. I was so close to buying.

And TooCool all I remember going to the last ppv at staples center (No Mercy 2017) was that only about a quarter of the food vendors were open and it took a ****load of time to get food. I think I missed 3/4 of the Balor match because of it.

So do I wear my Sammy Zayn shirt, Bayley, Blissfit wifebeater, or just go old school once again with Harlem Heat.....or perhaps just the jericho alpha club shirt. decisions.

I thought you were doing your Dakota Kai t-shirt???

I never ended up buying a Glorious or Rusev Day shirt.. =x I was tempted to get an Undisputed Era shirt awhile back and never pulled the trigger either. I think tomorrow I'll just wear my Samoa Joe NXT shirt.

ucsdguy1
November 16th, 2018, 04:54 PM
I thought you were doing your Dakota Kai t-shirt???

I never ended up buying a Glorious or Rusev Day shirt.. =x I was tempted to get an Undisputed Era shirt awhile back and never pulled the trigger either. I think tomorrow I'll just wear my Samoa Joe NXT shirt.

How could I forget Dakota Kai??

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0035/7652/9014/products/mockup-fa962b6c_2000x.jpg?v=1540822223

I forgot about Rusev Day too. Might have to just do that one, although I guess that's funny considering he's not in NXT or a part of Survivor Series. At least my Zayn shirt is from his NXT days.

Dexter
November 16th, 2018, 10:25 PM
I couldn't find my damn Edge and Christian shirt, so I'm gonna be that guy that wears a hockey jersey at wrasslin' shows.

ucsdguy1
November 17th, 2018, 08:31 PM
I couldn't find my damn Edge and Christian shirt, so I'm gonna be that guy that wears a hockey jersey at wrasslin' shows.
Were you wearing a Roenick Jersey? If so I walked behind you on the way out.

And holy %*#*#

Dexter
November 17th, 2018, 11:20 PM
Were you wearing a Roenick Jersey? If so I walked behind you on the way out.

And holy %*#*#

Nah, I wore my gold Doughty jersey.

Dexter
November 19th, 2018, 08:32 AM
Enzo had the best pop of the night.

ucsdguy1
November 19th, 2018, 09:21 AM
Enzo had the best pop of the night.
what a jack***. That does take me back though to ECW Heatwave at the Grand Olympic Auditorium, when some XPW (small local fed that wanted to be ecw west) bought some ringside seats and caused havoc, only to have the entire ecw locker room come out and start a brawl outside the venue. I'm still pissed off they stopped selling merch because of it before I had a chance to buy anything.

Here goes nothing:

Was there a bad match at Takeover? I'll admit we arrived just as Cross/LeRae was taking place.

Sane/Baszler - I'll admit from where I was sitting in 104 I could not see Baszler roll over Sane. I swore Sane had just won and thought they announced the wrong winner. Io's dive was crazy, although it took a few seconds too long to the point where you could see them all looking up and getting ready for it. And hey we got us some Dakota Kai Very good match though.

Black/Gargano - awesome match. Stiff, stiff and more stiff. I am very surprised Gargano won cleanly. Good for Black, but what the heck was the point of the Gargano heel turn if he's going to to just lose the first match?? Does he just go crazy now and take out his frustrations on the rest of the locker room? They obviously can't have him go after Ciampa already. Black seems ready to go to the next level and actually do something along CM Punk meets Undertaker lines, but I have no confidence in this actually happening.

Dream/Ciampa - okay we all know Ciampa was going to win this one. But holy hell. First off Dream coming out to Hollywood Hogan was absolutely fantastic. We marked out big time when he did the "let's hear you" hand rolls, and when he tried to hulk up. This match could've ended 12 different times but kept going. I mean it was just one thing after the next (very similar to Gargano/Black). For a split second I thought they might actually let Dream take it, but I knew better. Both guys were awesome.

Wargames: for f***'s sake, Ricochet almost died. This was violent, brutal and just about everything I expected. Those War Raider guys are actually pretty nimble on their feet. Dunne being locked in his cage - I mean they just set up 2 rings and a wargames cage, and they couldn't find bolt cutters sooner? I figured Dunne would just go crazy and break the door of his cage himself.

4 matches and a three second squash (plus the latter part of the pre-show) and I was out of breath. Great show. Editor's note: I thought the crowd was awesome at times, and fairly quiet at times. Maybe I'm biased because the NXT show at the Palladium awhile back had an ecw-like fanatical crowd from start to finish. But, when it was loud it was loud. And when I got home I watched it on the network, the crowd did actually sound really good on tv.
Oh and apparently when I was buying a beer before going in I was standing next to Alexander Wolfe getting food, and didn't even realize it. Someone mentioned it as he walked away. Missed opportunity!


Survivor Series:
Quite honestly most of it was a throwaway, so I'll just talk about the last two matches.

Rousey/Charlotte was pretty darn good. So, Charlotte goes nuts. While that was entertaining, where are they going with this? They could have had played a storyline where Charlotte loses all her confidence, keeps losing, and finally snaps. But if so she snapped way too fast (Lynch injury probably pushed this). Also, I greatly greatly greatly fear that they've now put Charlotte into the heel roll that Lynch was supposed to occupy but kept getting cheered. They may now turn Lynch into the total babyface and lose all the bad-a**ery that made her character so great anyway.
Also, "thank you Charlotte" chants and some boos for Rousey. Did she legimitately look upset or was this part of the story? As she turned around and stared at the crowd upon walking out, I thought "okay here we go, she gets pissed at everyone for turning on her. Jax probably does the same thing Charlotte did. Maybe 1 or 2 more. She gets fed up and calls on "friends" for backup, and the MMA Horsewomen are born. Baszler would probably have to finally lose the title and the other two need some serious ring work first. But this could happen by Wrestlemania. Of course she may have just been looking out so as to say "I just took a severe beating and I'm still here standing". She kind still has to be a face if she's about to face Nia Jax. And speaking of Jax, Liked the many Becky Lynch chants. Didn't like wwe letting Jax keep using her fist as a way to taunt the crowd. Dude she legitimately injured one of their main stars. Also lovely that she's all chummy chummy with Alexa Bliss, you know after that whole bullying storyline and all..

Lesnar/Bryan - so.....Bryan goes full heel, and yet they play him as the complete babyface in this match. I would've laughed if after the severe beating he actually got Lesnar to tap or got a pinfall but there was no chance of this happening. At least they gave him some offense to keep credibility. So good on him, now he can go back to being a heel and face Styles again? (p.s. a ppv without Styles is no fun).

Announcers say pre-show doesn't count, so the Smackdown win is negated. Then what was the point of even having the match??? And really, Raw wins every match?


That's it. Takeover was great, and I'm glad I didn't pay hundreds of dollars to go to Survivor Series I think.

TooCool
November 19th, 2018, 09:51 AM
Thanks for your thoughts ucsd!

TakeOver was a crap ton of fun. I think I may be nitpicky because while I had a good time I oddly left Staples feeling that maybe other TakeOvers were better. It's possible that I felt that way because I watched it without commentary. When I get a chance this Thanksgiving weekend, I'm definitely going to watch it on the Network to see how it was with Mauro, Nigel, and Percy.

We were just above you then if you were in 104! We were in PR8. Same angle as you pretty much.

- You didn't miss anything if you just arrived during the Cross/LeRae match. We saw Keith Lee squash a jobber. Then Lars Sullivan squashed a jobber. After that, Lars got the mic and said he'll destroy anyone who is in the way of his NXT Title and will set an example by beating up the jobber some more. Keith Lee came back out for the save. A bit odd though because last night during Survivor Series, Lars Sullivan had a video package that said he was "coming soon". So I guess he'll lose to Keith Lee in a small feud and then get called up?

- I was wondering why we didn't get Riddle/Ohno until they kicked off the PPV. I think after seeing 2 pointless squash matches for the taping, it felt dumb to me to see Riddle do the same to Ohno. Riddle has a great douchebag look and I can see him being a really good heel in the future.

- Sane/Baszler in my opinion needed at least 10 more minutes. For 2 out of 3 falls it was short. I couldn't see who the girls were that helped Sane. Our view of the jumbotron was obstructed too. =\ When I kept looking at the screen, I did see Dakota Kai but had no idea the other girl was Io Shirai until after the show. I also liked that Kairi Sane went back to her original theme and not the one she used at Evolution.

- Gargano/Black was super fun to watch. Just to see those kind of counters back and forth and the mind games was great. The crowd was 50/50 for them too. I personally didn't care who won but just loved that I saw a really good match.

- Dream/Ciampa was also a lot of fun. Loved seeing how over Dream is. I heard a few fans try to chant "F*** you Ciampa and a**hole" but it didn't seem to catch on. I think we're past that already. Everyone is raving about how amazing Velveteen Dream is and I absolutely agree. I seriously hope he gets another year and a good run in NXT because we all know that when he gets called up, Vince is going to make him a jobber and give him a dumb gimmick.

- War Games match itself was fun. Maybe it went a little bit too long IMO. Doing the "Adam Cole Bay Bay" chant with everyone in the building was exciting. The Undisputed Era easily got the biggest pop of the night didn't they? I agree with you about the boltcutters thing. It's one thing for Fish to lock Dunne in and throw away the key. But the refs couldn't get a boltcutter ready while they waited the 3 minutes? Instead they stood there like morons only to find out they can't open the cage. Sometimes that kind of wrestling logic is stupid but that's how it is... :lol:

The crowd did feel the most quiet for the War Games match. I think most of us were just waiting on the huge moves and the majority of it were rest breaks for the wrestlers.

But all in all, it was still the best event I've seen live and I've been to Summerslam for like 3 years straight at Staples along with RAW and Smackdown tapings and house shows. Nothing came close to NXT when I look back at it. I'll have my Survivor Series thoughts on the next post.

Dexter
November 19th, 2018, 11:22 AM
The damn LED wristband never worked.

ucsdguy1
November 19th, 2018, 11:25 AM
Oh and I should point out many in my section were commenting that with the tables in wargames though it'll never happen, it's about time to light one on fire :)

Riddle is pretty over all ready. The "bro" schtick is hilarious in my opinion, but needs to be molded to not get stale quickly. Also I worry about him wrestling barefoot.

ucsdguy1
November 19th, 2018, 02:10 PM
Ha and my wristband did work. I also managed to get a $5 off smackdown tickets offer by text and a survey that I'm sure may have gone on for 25 questions.

ucsdguy1
November 20th, 2018, 02:31 PM
Raw just bored the crap out of me last night.

I don't if Strowman had a legitimate arm injury they're masking with the beatdown last night. But with all of the stipulations just added to TLC I'm sure Corbin finds a way to win (and I really don't care). Elias and Balor wasted again.

Rousey's interview was actually pretty good although I'm not sure the crowd fully agreed.

Bayley/Sasha tried to show us how amazingly intimidating Jax/Tamina are.

Dean/Ambrose just isn't doing it for me yet.

And that was about it.

LetTigerIn
November 20th, 2018, 04:24 PM
I don't if Strowman had a legitimate arm injury they're masking with the beatdown last night.


Apparently, yes, and Strowman v Corbin could be off TLC if Strowman doesn't heal in time.

TooCool
November 21st, 2018, 09:30 AM
Damn it's already Wednesday. So here are my quick Survivor Series thoughts...

I hate that RAW swept everything. I hate it even more after reading the results of RAW and watching Smackdown. It serves zero purpose whatsoever and it's Vince's sick way of saying "I know people like Smackdown more so I'm going to shove it in your faces." What was even more dumb was that when the Smackdown Tag Teams won during the Pre-Show, they ignored that win. I give Graves credit for trying to say that Smackdown did get a win, but Cole kept dismissing it that pre-shows don't count. Way to slap the wrestlers in the face who get pre-show duty there.

That's why Xavier Woods and his 6-1 comment on Twitter and last night on Smackdown was funny. I can't imagine Vince liked it but hey, just mention something about urine and he'll love it. Speaking of which, that part about Big Show making Drake Maverick piss himself was so forced and unfunny. I'm not a fan of making the GM of 205 Live look like a goofball. Then that backstage segment on RAW, the acting was so bad. I'm sure Vince couldn't stop laughing...

The only bright spot about Survivor Series is the Charlotte/Ronda match. Great stuff. I seriously wonder if they would have booked Becky the same way had she not been injured. They should have also kept Ronda off of RAW to sell her injuries yet they didn't. Then on Smackdown, Charlotte got fined 100k and she shrugged it off by killing the Iiconics. Poor Peyton and Billie. I guess the safe bet is to predict that Charlotte will interfere in Ronda's match against Nia Jax. That's a nice easy way to get Ronda to drop the title and then Charlotte and fight Ronda at the Rumble. Then you set it up for Becky vs Ronda at Wrestlemania.

As for Daniel Bryan, I felt like that match served no purpose either. Make him look bad against Brock, only to have him try to come back only to lose. But I guess according to last night's promo, Daniel Bryan talks in 3rd person now and he's saying the good guy Daniel Bryan is a gone. But the bad guy Daniel Bryan is really him. It feels a little ripped off from Jericho's gimmick.

And in responses to the posts above about Strowman. He's apparently getting minor elbow surgery but should be okay for TLC unless things go south. Raw is lacking a lot of star power and yet they still make Finn Balor a loser there.

ucsdguy1
November 21st, 2018, 11:39 AM
Okay with Bryan last night - uh he totally ripped off Jericho! I was waiting for Chris to pop out and say never, eeeever againe! I think I counted 3 or 4 times where I thought yeah that’s a Jericho line.

And yeah the third person talking, and frankly the whole explanation for his turn did nothing for me.

ucsdguy1
November 28th, 2018, 08:55 AM
So after Smackdown last night - I'm still not sure who they're trying to push as the heel/face between Flair and Lynch. They kind of both played both parts last night, although Lynch seemed to be more on the face side. I still disagree with pushing her this way, but Flair's actions and talk seem to put her character in line with what they were doing with Lynch before.

Also, if Flair/Lynch are going at it again at TLC, I'm confident making a triple threat match was just so someone can take the pin fall other than Flair. I'm just really sorry it has to be Asuke (who got a heck of a reaction from the crowd). The three of them could have a pretty wild match, but yeah I'm fairly confident Asuke takes the fall.

Oh and TooCool may have been stoked when Big E held up a picture of Kairi Sane.

TooCool
November 28th, 2018, 09:39 AM
So after Smackdown last night - I'm still not sure who they're trying to push as the heel/face between Flair and Lynch. They kind of both played both parts last night, although Lynch seemed to be more on the face side. I still disagree with pushing her this way, but Flair's actions and talk seem to put her character in line with what they were doing with Lynch before.

Also, if Flair/Lynch are going at it again at TLC, I'm confident making a triple threat match was just so someone can take the pin fall other than Flair. I'm just really sorry it has to be Asuke (who got a heck of a reaction from the crowd). The three of them could have a pretty wild match, but yeah I'm fairly confident Asuke takes the fall.

Oh and TooCool may have been stoked when Big E held up a picture of Kairi Sane.

Decent episode of Smackers last night.

- I did like how they addressed the Charlotte and Becky thing. At least they're not back to being friends. I feel like the words coming out of Becky's mouth makes her more of a heel than Charlotte (in a traditional sense). But Becky got the loudest cheers because she's a badass and as long as they keep it that way without her having to insult the crowd, then that's the way it should be done. I think they both just kind of argued that they copied off of Ric Flair. But the whole no nonsense attitude to get the job done, I can get behind that.

It was weird to only have Mandy Rose and Naomi speak on the mic. It goes to show you who WWE has their sights on next in terms of a push. So good for Mandy Rose there. Like you said, Asuka still got the biggest cheers so it's the right move in adding her to the Triple Threat match. You're right though, this match is made so that Asuka loses to Becky or Charlotte since they don't book Asuka as the dominant person anymore. I think if Ronda interfered in this match, it could also be a good reason to give Asuka the belt in the meantime while the story shifts to Charlotte and Becky vs Ronda.

- What is up with The Bar and Big Show breaking up over a pre-taped backstage segment?

- AJ Styles and his promo was alright. I liked how he explained why he missed Survivor Series and Smackdown in L.A. (because Daniel injured him.) It was also funny that he took a shot at RAW about how he's at every show as a champ while Daniel Bryan was conveniently absent, like Lesnar. Someone on Reddit mentioned that the two guys who low blowed AJ Styles are both men who does the knee-to-face action. Poor AJ. lol

- Nakamura/Rusev wasn't a match but I can understand that because of time constraints and all. At least this sets up a feud between the two of them moving forward. Better than not featuring them again. Sucks for Aiden though.

- Jeff Hardy "20 years in WWE" promo was odd. I liked that he said it wasn't a retirement speech by any means, it just felt pointless. I mean I liked the video package highlighting his craziness but he didn't thank Matt Hardy at all either which was weird. But Samoa Joe saved that segment with some personal burns. This should be a good feud moving forward. So much for Orton taking care of Jeff eh?

- Miz vs Kofi was okay. I guess they're putting Miz in a comedy role in the meantime by thinking he's in a Tag Team with Shane. The pancakes are more over than ever with the crowd.

- Orton/Mysterio segment. Looks like this match will be a chairs match at the PPV.

- Already touched on the Battle Royal and Asuka above but one thing I forgot to mention is Zelina Vega. You think it's weird that as a "business manager" she is featured on the show and wrestling way more than Andrade Cien Almas? It's frustrating to see Smackdown book the shows so well but at the same time they struggle to book meaning feuds for wrestlers like Almas, Sanity, Goodbrothers, Rusev, Nakamura, English, etc. I guess it's still better than the cluster**** that is RAW. Poor Bayley and Finn Balor.

ucsdguy1
November 28th, 2018, 04:55 PM
The Bar/Big Show breaking up in that segment was perfect for this storyline that made zero sense anyway!

Nakamura/Rusev can be okay, but they've cooled Rusev so much I'm not expecting anything from it.

I first thought Hardy was retiring, until I realized it was all a sham to get Joe in a new feud. (he is so good on the mic when he wants to be, isn't he)

Miz is okay in the comedy bit with Shane. I can't figure out where exactly they're going with it. It's just too bad, Miz was so how now to be nowhere near the title scene. Although I will find it humorous if he finds is way back and is the "face" that has to defeat "heel" daniel bryan for the title.

Orton bores me so much. I have no interest in any of his storylines.

Thanks for reminding me that Almas and Sanity exist!

ucsdguy1
December 5th, 2018, 11:32 AM
who doesn't love Rusev's double decker taco supremes? :)

TooCool
December 5th, 2018, 01:51 PM
The Smackdown side of TLC looks really good.

ucsdguy1
December 5th, 2018, 03:56 PM
The Smackdown side of TLC looks really good.

Lynch/Charlotte/Asuke should headline.

ucsdguy1
December 7th, 2018, 03:28 PM
Editor's note: this is the last month on my Rusev Day calendar, and there is no 2019 calendar on wwe.com :(

Come on now Rusev Claus.

ucsdguy1
December 12th, 2018, 09:27 AM
yeah after last night it's about a 99.998478934% guarantee Asuke isn't winning anything sunday.

TooCool
December 12th, 2018, 12:46 PM
yeah after last night it's about a 99.998478934% guarantee Asuke isn't winning anything sunday.

There's still a chance if Rousey interferes... haha. But you're right, the last person to gain an advantage loses.

This new Daniel Bryan thing is fun. Loved when he asked Mustafa Ali what car he drives, only to hit him when he said SUV :lol:. It's easy to hate one of those environmentalist folks. There's no way he should drop the title to AJ Styles though. I guess all that's left for AJ here is to win that Royal Rumble match or something.

Speaking of Royal Rumble. I really hate that they made it so that the winners of Mixed Match Challenge get the #30 (http://letsgokings.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=30) spot. First, that takes away from the surprise on who enters #30 (http://letsgokings.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=30) and Second, I don't think people will care too much if it's either Jinder or Truth on the guy's side and Carmella and Fox on the girl's side. It could be funny though if the Women's rumble was first and then R-Truth came out at #30 (http://letsgokings.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=30) thinking it's his match.

And I have some sad news to report. Dirt sheets report that Dakota Kai tore her ACL in a house show which could put her out of action for at least six months.

ucsdguy1
December 14th, 2018, 09:49 AM
anyone catch NXT this week?

Ricochet's match against.............spoiler alert








TYLER BREEZE LIVES




(and loses)

but that was fun!


also his tweet after the match:



So @KingRicochet ✅ @VelveteenWWE ? @WWENXT

ucsdguy1
December 17th, 2018, 09:07 AM
Wow, they did it. Asuke is champ. I loved this match. How can Flair not have broken ribs? I have differing opinions on the outcome that change depending on what time it is....first, does this mean Charlotte, Lynch or both will be moving to Raw to continue with Rousey? Do they push the story to a big triple threat match at wrestlemania and let Flair/Lynch try to get the title back on Smackdown until the Rumble? If they move either of the big two to Raw, I'm just not sure who becomes an option for Asuke to feud with? Either way, good to see Asuke on top. Now let her have a long, long reign. I was quite surprised they pulled the title off Lynch so quickly. Having her with the title keeps with her "i'm the man" gimmick. She can obviously say "I was never beaten", but still. Also I believe the crowd stays behind Lynch in this one (Rousey better get used to some boos)

Other quick TLC thoughts:

I didn't watch the pre-show so skipping it.

The mixed match final had no business being on the ppv. But I'll take as much R-Truth as you can give me. Enjoy that trip to Stamford, CT big man!

Not a bad way to have Corbin lose. Let the guys who he wronged get some revenge. However, I thought they could've really extended the Heath Slater as unwilling villain ref longer. Remind us over and over he's got kids and has to do what he has to do before he finally turned again (a la Virgil). This happened too quickly, but with Corbin being removed I guess it had to happen. So Lesnar/Strowman at Royal Rumble? Unfortunately I don't see Strowman coming out on top. You just know Vince wants Lesnar with the title fighting at Wrestlemania. Against Rollins perhaps?

Speaking of Rollins, what the hell was that match with Ambrose? Uh a crowd should NEVER be chanting "boring" during a seth rollins match. I thought I was just drained after 3 hours of wrestling but man that one moved way too slow.

Triple Threat Smackdown Tag match - something was missing here. Are we just completely desensitized to the same three teams fighting all the time? [hello Sa-ni-ty]

Natalya/Riott - honestly this may have been one of my favorite matches of the night. It wasn't a blow out "holy ****" match, but it was clinical. Good chemistry, all 3 of the riott squad went through a table. Good emotion with the constant throwbacks to the anvil. Natalya seemed genuinely happy and motivated. Much credit to Riott. She performed and sold well. That powerbomb through the table, sheesh. I enjoyed this more than I thought I would.

Balor/McIntyre: pretty good match, but nothing that made it overly memorable. Hopefully McYntire gets involved interfering with Ziggler tonight to continue their feud, and Balor gets the win and more momentum.

Orton/Mysterio: Orton still bores the hell out of me so I took a bathroom break here. I'm sure it was a decent match.

Rousey/Jax: Well they certain took away the aura of Nia Jax didn't they? Again. I mean when people get put in a submission hold, can't they nowadays struggle a little bit before tapping out IMMEDIATELY? I'll credit Rousey. For being so new she again performed well in the ring. She sold very well and is still super fast in countering moves into one of her submissions. But if Jax is this monster, with a monster in Tamina on her side, can anyone really beat Rousey? ::cough Lynch cough:: Also with Lynch attacking Jax backstage, if the man makes the switch there's a first match for her. But let's hope Jax/Tamina move away from Rousey now and start that women's tag team title bid that will culminate with a match against Banks/Bayley at Wrestlemania.

Styles/Bryan: clinical match. And a clean win for Bryan. Felt like a New Japan match. Left me wanting a bit more. These guys might have one more match in them at Royal Rumble. Hell make it an iron man match or a 2 out of 3 falls. But they're capable of putting on a great one.

TooCool
December 17th, 2018, 01:17 PM
Thanks for your thoughts as usual!

I also skipped the pre-show and I was surprised they moved Elias and Lashley there. Good move because that feud sucks and they gave it a Ladder match gimmick? Come on now.

- Triple Threat TLC Match for the Smackdown Women's Title: By far the best match of the night. They took insane bumps and it felt like Asuka ate most of them. So it makes sense that she gets the title as a reward right? =D I think it was the right move to have Rousey screw over both Becky and Charlotte because it builds more to the fact that they're both want to get their hands on Rousey at Mania no matter what. That means either Becky or Charlotte will win the Rumble so they can choose to fight Rousey at Wrestlemania. When was the last time they had 2 people win with both feet touching the floor at the same time? Maybe they use that storyline to get those two to win to make it a Triple Threat Match.

But don't forget, Becky still has a rematch clause which I don't think she should win. It would be bad to take it off of Asuka right away. But who does Asuka feud with? Mandy Rose? Naomi? Sonya Deville? What they should do is finally let Nikki Cross be on Smackdown permanently and let her take a run at Asuka.

- WWE Title Match: This was my 2nd favorite match of the night. The crowd was still cheering for the new Daniel Bryan a lot which is good. I didn't like the finish too much but overall it makes sense. AJ Styles can't out small package the small package man. Surprised that Daniel won clean though. Either way, they told a great story and it was a lot of fun seeing them go like 20+ minutes.

- Triple Threat Match for the Smackdown Tag Title: My 3rd favorite match of the night. I just wanted to say though that I hate the rules for a Triple Threat Tag Match. It's dumb that one team isn't fighting in the match and they need to tag in someone just to get in. I mean sure, they'll eventually all get their spots in... but I feel like it should always been Tornado rules where it's pure carnage. Hell, when the Usos finally tagged in, you could see that they screwed up already because Kofi wasn't the legal man but they didn't know themselves. But that's just me nitpicking. This match still had a good amount of action. You're right though, I'm sick of seeing these 3 teams duke it out. Yeah, they're great just like the Hardy Boyz, Dudleys, and Edge & Christian. But you also have so many great talent not being used. Like you mentioned, Sanity is just sitting around doing nothing...

And now for the rest of "meh" matches for me.

Tables Match: Natalya vs Ruby Riott - I'll admit, I didn't care for this feud because I think it was kind of lame to use Natty's dad's death as the focal point. While I give props to these two for the match, I think it went like 5 minutes too long. Also a little silly to see Liv Morgan taken out of the match so early but she "died" from one table bump. Same for Sara Logan really. I get that from a story perspective, it's a smart way to take them out to keep them from interfering. But if you're going to have a long match, it's odd that they never recovered.

Finn Balor vs Drew McIntyre - This felt like a random match thrown in but at least they're on the PPV. While Balor needed the win badly, it was also at the expense of McIntyre losing for no reason. Are they going to do something silly down the line with Ziggler and Balor vs McIntyre to show how bad ass McIntyre is?

Chairs Match: Orton vs Mysterio - I like heel Orton but this feud was weak. All I have to say is I was surprised how many chair shots where used in the match. Neither of these guys are young anymore so I'm sure they're feeling it today. Mysterio just escaped with a win so it doesn't really solve anything as far as the feud goes.

Ronda Rousey vs Nia Jax for the RAW Women's Title - Ronda is improving well in the ring, just like Baszler. That's nice to see. This match was okay. It's tough to get in a match when you know there is 0% chance of a title change. We've seen what Ronda can do against Charlotte so I can't wait for Ronda vs Becky/Charlotte.

Rollins vs Ambrose for the IC Title - Oh man, the "This is boring" chants was brutal to hear for these two guys. It was warranted though and I'll tell you why. #1 (http://letsgokings.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1) , very tough to put them on AFTER Daniel Bryan vs AJ Styles. That's just not fair. #2 (http://letsgokings.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2) , this match should have a gimmick match on a gimmick PPV like TLC. This should have been a No DQ Match or Ladders Match at the very least. Instead, they were settling their differences and hatred for each other in a rest hold match... They never kicked it to a 2nd gear. You could tell that the fans early on were waiting for something exciting to happen and it never did. Definitely sucks because these are two good workers but the booking is to blame really. Plus, Ambrose won the IC title with one Dirty Deeds which was kind of weak.

Corbin vs Strowman - Yep. Not a fan of this one either. So Strowman isn't cleared to wrestle yet which is fine. But we all know how Strowman/Lesnar will be again. Do we really want to see a monster like Strowman lose to Lesnar again for the 100th time? And you bring up a good point about Slater's referee gimmick. While he was impacted by Corbin's run as GM, that felt a little rushed. Let's not forget about the fact that Rhyno is still "fired" lol. But anyway, this was a waste of a TLC match as well.

Mixed Matched Challenge Finals - So many changes to Mixed Match Challenge due to injuries or the fact that they didn't want to double book their wrestlers. Which is why they went with 2 teams that stuck together the whole time and chalk it up "chemistry". It was silly fun as usual and I guess it was smart of them to have it open the PPV in hopes that people who watch on Facebook would sign up for the Network. I don't like that the #30 (http://letsgokings.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=30) spot is given to them though because that takes out the surprise in the Rumble. It also doesn't help when people see it as a wasted spot since Carmella and R-Truth have no chance in hell of winning the Rumble either.

So overall it was a pretty above average show. The Smackdown side really carried this PPV. It's crazy to see that a PPV like TLC, people like Rusev, Shinsuke Nakamura, Jeff Hardy, The Miz, Revival, AOP, Bayley, and Sasha Banks didn't have a match..

They're also taping two episodes of RAW tonight (and I assume two of Smackdown tomorrow) so the wrestlers can get Christmas off next week.

ucsdguy1
December 17th, 2018, 04:13 PM
solid points. I didn't realize they were taping two weeks worth tonight. So with the new tv deals do the brand splits go away, or status quo?


and don't forget who's back tonight

https://media.tenor.com/images/1b7790dd9d147f8719a525428a73ef04/tenor.gif

ucsdguy1
December 18th, 2018, 09:09 AM
riiight, so good on Nikki Cross. But you're telling me out of everyone....Heavy Machinery, EC3, and Lacey Evans are the ones going up??? I mean I'm happy to have Gargano, Undisputed, Black, Ricochet, Dunne, Belair, etc. stay in NXT, but that's who they chose? I guess they figure they can't bring up everyone from NXT or there'd be nothing left. I don't see Evans doing ANYTHING in the women's division. Machinery might be a laugh for a week, but they're going to get lost. Same with EC3. Will be interesting to see which, if any show up at the Rumble or before, or if these promos are just for down the road.

Other raw thoughts:

So the handicap match with Corbin was basically a repeat of TLC, no? And yeah the audience booed him mercilously (not on the level of post-WM Reigns), but did they not forget the McMahons were basically the ones who shoved him down our throats as commissioner anyway? Also not much of what the McMahons said really "shook things up" did it? That change may eventually come I guess. Also, as soon as they said "we're going to start listening to what you fans want" the crowd should've immediately started a Rusev Day chant. For shame, for shame.

McYntire was about as expected, using the segment to show how bada** he is.

After Rollins attacked Ambrose and was interviewed backstage, did we really need a confrontation with Corbin? Please don't make this a side feud, but just a match for next week. Also, we need more Tyler Breeze.

The 4 way tag match was so so, but at least the Revival picked up the win and hopefully can actually do something.

Owens and Zayn can't come back soon enough.

Also was fun watching Rousey try to give a face promo while the crowd pretty much just wanted to chant for Becky. The women's gauntlet was okay, but each match was just way too rushed. Natalya/Banks got a little bit of time, but we've seen Sasha have 30 minute+ matches, this just seemed too short to really be that big of a loss. Obviously Natalya has no chance of beating Rousey. Unless they want to shake things up, have Lynch and/or Flair come out and distract Rousey causing her to lose. Natalya ends the year on a BIG note, and now neither of the big 3 have titles. I'm trying to stay away from Raw results for next week online and let myself watch in realtime, surely to set myself up for disappointment.

TooCool
December 18th, 2018, 09:59 AM
riiight, so good on Nikki Cross. But you're telling me out of everyone....Heavy Machinery, EC3, and Lacey Evans are the ones going up??? I mean I'm happy to have Gargano, Undisputed, Black, Ricochet, Dunne, Belair, etc. stay in NXT, but that's who they chose? I guess they figure they can't bring up everyone from NXT or there'd be nothing left. I don't see Evans doing ANYTHING in the women's division. Machinery might be a laugh for a week, but they're going to get lost. Same with EC3. Will be interesting to see which, if any show up at the Rumble or before, or if these promos are just for down the road.

Other raw thoughts:

So the handicap match with Corbin was basically a repeat of TLC, no? And yeah the audience booed him mercilously (not on the level of post-WM Reigns), but did they not forget the McMahons were basically the ones who shoved him down our throats as commissioner anyway? Also not much of what the McMahons said really "shook things up" did it? That change may eventually come I guess. Also, as soon as they said "we're going to start listening to what you fans want" the crowd should've immediately started a Rusev Day chant. For shame, for shame.

McYntire was about as expected, using the segment to show how bada** he is.

After Rollins attacked Ambrose and was interviewed backstage, did we really need a confrontation with Corbin? Please don't make this a side feud, but just a match for next week. Also, we need more Tyler Breeze.

The 4 way tag match was so so, but at least the Revival picked up the win and hopefully can actually do something.

Owens and Zayn can't come back soon enough.

Also was fun watching Rousey try to give a face promo while the crowd pretty much just wanted to chant for Becky. The women's gauntlet was okay, but each match was just way too rushed. Natalya/Banks got a little bit of time, but we've seen Sasha have 30 minute+ matches, this just seemed too short to really be that big of a loss. Obviously Natalya has no chance of beating Rousey. Unless they want to shake things up, have Lynch and/or Flair come out and distract Rousey causing her to lose. Natalya ends the year on a BIG note, and now neither of the big 3 have titles. I'm trying to stay away from Raw results for next week online and let myself watch in realtime, surely to set myself up for disappointment.

It's kind of a shame to see them hype Lars Sullivan for like a month only for him to be grouped up with 5 other NXT stars.. ouch. I figured you would be stoked about Heavy Machinery! But you're right. They'll squash some jobbers for a few weeks and then the main roster writers will forget about them. Lacey Evans is probably eye candy for a little bit but I don't think she's that good either. Nikki Cross really needs to be reunited with Sanity or else her gimmick is just off. EC3 could be good. Who's he going to feud with? Ziggler? lol

As for RAW, I hear ya. The whole Vince, HHH, Steph, and Shane being in charge is dumb. The last thing anyone wants to see is the McMahons on TV even more. Hell, it was Steph that made Corbin replace Angle right? So now people are suppose to cheer her? If anything she should be fired as well from a storyline standpoint. What does this mean for Paige? Is she still the GM of Smackdown? After all.. they said the 4 of them are running both shows even though in reality they don't care about Smackdown as much as they do with RAW. I also don't like how they said the fans are now the authority. Fans usually want faces to win, so is that what we're getting then?

And you bring up a good point. Where was the Rusev Day chants? The fire Lesnar chants? And so on. Ultimately, I just see this as a bandage from Vince. If the ratings go up slightly he'll think he fixed things. But what I saw last night was still more of the same, kind of unwatchable to be honest. I turned it off when they were about to do the Fatal Four Way Tag Match. I just can't get myself to care about RAW at the moment.

One thing I did notice was that Shane mentioned something about no more automatic rematch clause? Does this mean Becky won't get a shot at Asuka period? o_o

I read the RAW spoilers. All I have to say is that looking at the pictures, a lot of people didn't bother sticking around for the show. They're going to have to do a lot editing to make that place look full. Asking people to stick around for another 2 hours after a 3 hour RAW + commercials is brutal when you think about it.

ucsdguy1
December 18th, 2018, 12:00 PM
It's kind of a shame to see them hype Lars Sullivan for like a month only for him to be grouped up with 5 other NXT stars.. ouch. I figured you would be stoked about Heavy Machinery! But you're right. They'll squash some jobbers for a few weeks and then the main roster writers will forget about them. Lacey Evans is probably eye candy for a little bit but I don't think she's that good either. Nikki Cross really needs to be reunited with Sanity or else her gimmick is just off. EC3 could be good. Who's he going to feud with? Ziggler? lol

As for RAW, I hear ya. The whole Vince, HHH, Steph, and Shane being in charge is dumb. The last thing anyone wants to see is the McMahons on TV even more. Hell, it was Steph that made Corbin replace Angle right? So now people are suppose to cheer her? If anything she should be fired as well from a storyline standpoint. What does this mean for Paige? Is she still the GM of Smackdown? After all.. they said the 4 of them are running both shows even though in reality they don't care about Smackdown as much as they do with RAW. I also don't like how they said the fans are now the authority. Fans usually want faces to win, so is that what we're getting then?

And you bring up a good point. Where was the Rusev Day chants? The fire Lesnar chants? And so on. Ultimately, I just see this as a bandage from Vince. If the ratings go up slightly he'll think he fixed things. But what I saw last night was still more of the same, kind of unwatchable to be honest. I turned it off when they were about to do the Fatal Four Way Tag Match. I just can't get myself to care about RAW at the moment.

One thing I did notice was that Shane mentioned something about no more automatic rematch clause? Does this mean Becky won't get a shot at Asuka period? o_o

I read the RAW spoilers. All I have to say is that looking at the pictures, a lot of people didn't bother sticking around for the show. They're going to have to do a lot editing to make that place look full. Asking people to stick around for another 2 hours after a 3 hour RAW + commercials is brutal when you think about it.
So as much as I like Heavy Machinery - I'm not quite sure they're ready to perform at the top level yet. And exactly what you said, they'll be forgotten about after a couple weeks. Or at least become the proverbial team that comes out to break up a brawl. There's potential for them to have some comedic segments with a New Day perhaps, but not much.

If Dakota Kai doesn't get hurt, does she take Evans place? ha ha ha.

I noticed about McMahon's no automatic rematch clause. Strange. They're advertising the "coronation of Asuke" tonight, so surely Lynch will get involved. Or Lynch just says she's pissed off about everything and will take out the rest of the smackdown women's roster.

ucsdguy1
December 19th, 2018, 09:12 AM
Sanity returns! And even Gallows/Anderson got to put on a good show.

I have to admit, while I think this Miz storyline with Shane is beneath him, I got quite the chuckle when he asked Vince for his "blessing" to be his son's partner.

So Paige is no longer GM. Now that there's no GM and the McMahons are runnings, who expects anything to change? Shame, she was very good in that role.

Once again - give me as much R Truth as you can. ("We look forward to facing you and Maryse")

Good on them for letting Ali get a clean pin on Bryan. I mean Styles/Ali/Bryan/Almas - that's a hell of a lot of talent in that ring and I'd be happy seeing any of those four in singles matches. Hopefully they can actually do something to develop Ali and Almas a bit more.

ucsdguy1
December 21st, 2018, 11:57 AM
So it was announced it will be Lynch vs. Asuke at Royal Rumble. Somehow Charlotte will probably play into this, let alone Rousey again.

Also saw this today:


Brock Lesnar is set to make his return to WWE RAW in advance of his next title defense as Universal Champion.

It was revealed this week that “The Beast” would appear on the January 21st episode in Oklahoma City, OK at the Chesapeake Arena. This will be an important episode of Monday Night RAW as it will serve as the go-home edition of the red brand for the Royal Rumble pay-per-view event.

If I'm reading that right, the UNIVERSAL CHAMPION won't show up on Raw until January 21st??


Also that Black/Gargano cage match from NXT this week was pretty fun.....DIY DARK shirts coming in 3.......2.......

ucsdguy1
December 25th, 2018, 07:56 PM
What a glorious rusev day!

TooCool
December 27th, 2018, 08:13 AM
What a glorious rusev day!

I tried watching a little bit of Smackdown before I left for my aunts place and the camera cuts were insane and pretty unwatchable for me. It's like they knew they can edit the show to their hearts content but it felt like overkill. The piped in cheers and boos were lame too. I don't know why Vince insists on that stuff.

But happy for Rusev. Sad for Shinsuke too because he was so poorly booked as US Champ. I don't see it being any better for Rusev either.

I did catch that cage match between Gargano and Black. Great stuff as usual.

ucsdguy1
December 27th, 2018, 12:24 PM
I tried watching a little bit of Smackdown before I left for my aunts place and the camera cuts were insane and pretty unwatchable for me. It's like they knew they can edit the show to their hearts content but it felt like overkill. The piped in cheers and boos were lame too. I don't know why Vince insists on that stuff.

But happy for Rusev. Sad for Shinsuke too because he was so poorly booked as US Champ. I don't see it being any better for Rusev either.

I did catch that cage match between Gargano and Black. Great stuff as usual.

There seems to be the question now of whether this was a quick "feel good" moment for Rusev as a one time deal, and he'll fade quickly. Hopefully not.. But I think crowd reaction may drive it. The smackdown crowd noise was obviously piped in, but if they can support him hopefully it'll keep going. And let him keep churning out one liners like the tacos supreme. I have zero idea where Nakamura goes from here.

Baszler/Belair and Ciampa/Black added to Takeover: Phoenix. Nice promo from Ciampa too shielding himself, essentially saying Gargano can't have a shot at his title so he should go after Ricochet's instead.

CIrvine
December 27th, 2018, 01:12 PM
When Vince was on the ground, I thought he going to say something like, "He hits harder than Bret."

ucsdguy1
December 31st, 2018, 02:47 PM
Happy Rusev Day to everyone, for the last time in 2018

CIrvine
January 2nd, 2019, 11:45 AM
R.I.P. Mean Gene Okerlund.

LetTigerIn
January 2nd, 2019, 04:42 PM
The first time I met Gene Okerlund must have been around 1987. A friend and I saw him backstage taking a break between promos, and we struck up a conversation. My friend and I mentioned that we missed him on play-by-play, and that we loved a call he would make that was just a sound. Before, we could explain any further, Mean Gene let out that famous bellow, and it echoed through the empty concourse. I was delighted. Though age may diminish me eventually, I will never forget that perfect moment.

Rest in peace, Gene Mean.

Dexter
January 8th, 2019, 08:23 PM
I really hope AEW is going to be awesome and not TNA.

ucsdguy1
January 9th, 2019, 08:49 AM
I really hope AEW is going to be awesome and not TNA.
Cody doesn't seem like he'd be one to let it go like that. But yeah they've got some big money behind it. And with the young bucks et al they've definitely got some talent. Curious to see where Omega goes, and how New Japan progresses now.

Update: Chris Jericho and Neville (aka Pac) have apparently signed with AEW with Double or Nothing taking place May 25th in Vegas.

TooCool
January 9th, 2019, 12:36 PM
First off, RIP Mean Gene.

What's eerie was that I was catching up on the Edge and Christian show on the Network just a day before he passed and Mean Gene was hilarious in it.


Cody doesn't seem like he'd be one to let it go like that. But yeah they've got some big money behind it. And with the young bucks et al they've definitely got some talent. Curious to see where Omega goes, and how New Japan progresses now.

Update: Chris Jericho and Neville (aka Pac) have apparently signed with AEW with Double or Nothing taking place May 25th in Vegas.

I'm personally rooting for the success of AEW. Like you said it looks like some billionare is funding it so he's serious about it (for now). Who knows how fast he'll fold if it doesn't work out. But for now, everything they've announced is good.

A couple of big things they've announced is equal pay. Depending on what that is, I can see them getting more female talent easily because they won't make close to that amount in the WWE when starting out. Then you got a lighter work schedule with healthcare and whatnot. That sounds like a huge deal in the world of wrestling.

I think I speak for most (if not all of us) that as wrestling fans, we need AEW to succeed in some way since TNA couldn't make a dent. As loyal as I may be to WWE, we need Vince to sweat just a little. It's the only way the product will change for the better.

ucsdguy1
January 10th, 2019, 08:56 AM
It's early, but why not my surprise picks to enter the royal rumble:

Men's - any of the following:
1. Velveteen Dream (he can come up with any entrance he so deems fit!)
2. Ricochet (depending on outcome of his now seeming match with Gargano. I don't see Gargano getting the call yet even for one night)
3. Aleister Black (introduce the wwe universe to him even if he doesn't get called up right away)
4. Pete Dunne (let him bruise some people!)
5. Matt Riddle (just comedic enough to be interesting)
6. Kenny Omega (severe long shot, and I'd hate to see him actually show up and not win the rumble. Imagine though if they made some kind of deal for a one-off. But never going to happen)

Note: EC3/Heavy Machinery/Lars Sullivan already have been promo'd ad naseum on wwe tv, so I wouldn't call any of them a surprise. Hopefully they don't just settle for these guys and it's one or two besides them.


Women's
1. Toni Storm (I mean, come on)
2. Candace Lerae (to let her do something?)
3. Io Shirai (because she could do some gnarly stuff in the air to eliminate herself and others mercifully)

I would obviously say Dakota Kai if she wasn't injured. Same comment as the men for Evans/Cross.

TooCool
January 14th, 2019, 08:51 PM
So I'm actually watching RAW right now for the first time in probably 4-5 months. I did miss the first 90 minutes since I just got home not long ago. But I have to admit, I like this odd new format.

They have FULL ring entrances, not interrupted by commercial. (Balor just had two full entrances tonight.) They also didn't start a match and then go to commercial after 30 seconds... though I guess they technically did that to start the Fatal Four Way main event.

After Lashley won the IC Title in a good triple threat match, they immediately put up a graphic that said the Fatal Four Way is still to come and A Moment of Bliss segment was next. They're telling you ahead of time what's coming up and that's actually a nice refreshing change.

And I guess they're saying that EC3, Lacey Evans, Nikki Cross, and Heavy Machinery will be on both shows while they get "evaluated", whatever that means. Otis showed up to interrupt Alexa's segment though and I'm guessing he's an idiot? I suppose if that's the gimmick they wanna give him... Also, did you guys hear about Lars Sullivan? Apparently the dirt sheets said he was suppose to be thrown into a major feud with John Cena and for whatever reason he had anxiety attacks and haven't been in contact with WWE for over a week now. Hope all is okay with him.

ucsdguy1
January 15th, 2019, 11:39 AM
So I'm actually watching RAW right now for the first time in probably 4-5 months. I did miss the first 90 minutes since I just got home not long ago. But I have to admit, I like this odd new format.

They have FULL ring entrances, not interrupted by commercial. (Balor just had two full entrances tonight.) They also didn't start a match and then go to commercial after 30 seconds... though I guess they technically did that to start the Fatal Four Way main event.

After Lashley won the IC Title in a good triple threat match, they immediately put up a graphic that said the Fatal Four Way is still to come and A Moment of Bliss segment was next. They're telling you ahead of time what's coming up and that's actually a nice refreshing change.

And I guess they're saying that EC3, Lacey Evans, Nikki Cross, and Heavy Machinery will be on both shows while they get "evaluated", whatever that means. Otis showed up to interrupt Alexa's segment though and I'm guessing he's an idiot? I suppose if that's the gimmick they wanna give him... Also, did you guys hear about Lars Sullivan? Apparently the dirt sheets said he was suppose to be thrown into a major feud with John Cena and for whatever reason he had anxiety attacks and haven't been in contact with WWE for over a week now. Hope all is okay with him.

I'm guessing Strowman is still injured, hence writing him out of the royal rumble match. He sure can still flip a limo though? Credit to them for giving Balor the chance, but sad to know he has absolutely zero chance of beating Lesnar at the rumble. Unless he unleashes the demon but I hope they don't waste it on that moment. Lesnar will have the title going into Wrestlemania. In fact I'd be reeeally mad if they brought out the demon and Lesnar beats him anyway.

Similarly, it's nice to see Banks get in a title match again, but I don't think she has any shot at all of beating Rousey before Wrestlemania. Would've liked her and Bayley to stay focused on the women's tag team titles. Which she may well do as Bliss said the women's tag titles will be decided at Elimination Chamber between 3 Raw and 3 Smackdown tag teams. That may have potential. Side note, what the heck did the production assistant walking in on a topless bliss have to do with anything?

Nice intro for Dotis, I guess? That seems to be what they're going with. I thought Cross had a somewhat good introduction as she got a good amount of action in her match. Crowd seemed pretty dead through it. I thought she should come in as a crazy heel. Was weird to see her hug and high five Bayley. Did not hear about Sullivan. That is crazy.

Does Cena do much at all nowadays except put people over?

Surprised Lashley won the title. What does that do for Ambrose? Does anyone care about Lashley?

ucsdguy1
January 16th, 2019, 08:56 AM
And not sure why they changed Almas' name to just "Andrade", but that match with Mysterior was another fantastic one last night.

And this was a thing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYpp2mKiJCY

My favorite parts were the "oh yeaaah" vs. "oh noooo" and the timing on unzipping of the jacket to reveal the man shirt (and big e just repeatedly rubbing his chest)

ucsdguy1
January 17th, 2019, 03:21 PM
oh and yeah get pumped

Takeover: Phoenix

Aleister Black vs. Tommaso Ciampa (c) for the NXT championship
Shayna Baszler (c) vs. Bianca Belair for the Women’s title
Johnny Gargano vs. Ricochet (c) for the North American championship
War Raiders vs. Undisputed ERA (c) for the NXT Tag titles
Matt Riddle vs. Kassius Ohno

ucsdguy1
January 24th, 2019, 09:35 AM
oh and yeah get pumped

Takeover: Phoenix

Aleister Black vs. Tommaso Ciampa (c) for the NXT championship
Shayna Baszler (c) vs. Bianca Belair for the Women’s title
Johnny Gargano vs. Ricochet (c) for the North American championship
War Raiders vs. Undisputed ERA (c) for the NXT Tag titles
Matt Riddle vs. Kassius Ohno

Yeah after the go home show last night, I'm amped!

1. You guys, Velveteen Dream in a cowboy hat. He had some cryptic tweets this week about now showing up again until "we" determine his worth. Guess that didn't last long. He's got the best facial expressions of anyone, and can have a good match with anyone (how well did he sell the leg shots from Fish). Set the seeds for a run at the North American championship, but a feud with Adam Cole first could be quite good. It's a shame velveteen isn't in a Takeover match, of course if Cole/Fish decide to get involved in the War Raiders match he'll surely make himself known? This small part would let him have time and energy to enter the royal rumble :) Interesting he also planted a few seeds for dissension in Undisputed with the "if it's okay with Adam" line.

2. DIY Dark inching closer....and Ciampa's gonna ruin Gargano's marriage! It's hard for me to see Ricochet losing the North American title so soon, but imagine Ciampa helping him win, Gargano in turn helping Tommaso win and both of them holding titles together?

3. Pretty sure Shirai/Sane as a tag team might make TooCool's head explode.

4. Lorch/Burch vs. Barthel/Eichner - this match was too good for me to not really know much about who these guys are.

Also, the rag sheets saying Rousey may be done with wwe after Wrestlemania?

ucsdguy1
January 25th, 2019, 09:37 AM
And my last thought.....on Lynch/Asuke - What if they had Lynch interfere causing Asuke to lose? (intentional or by accident). This sets up a nice revenge feud between Asuke/Flair: Flair says Asuke could never beat her 1 on 1, Asuke says you cost me the title you will pay. Lynch then gets her title back and can face Rousey champ vs champ at Wrestlemania.

TooCool
January 25th, 2019, 10:39 AM
And my last thought.....on Lynch/Asuke - What if they had Lynch interfere causing Asuke to lose? (intentional or by accident). This sets up a nice revenge feud between Asuke/Flair: Flair says Asuke could never beat her 1 on 1, Asuke says you cost me the title you will pay. Lynch then gets her title back and can face Rousey champ vs champ at Wrestlemania.

That could work although I think they really want Rousey vs Charlotte vs Becky in a Triple Threat Match for the Women's Title. I personally don't like the champ vs champ matches because you're bound to make one brand look bad... like they did with Smackdown all through Survivor Series.

The question is how do they transition Rousey over to Smackdown for when they move to Fox in October?

For the Rumble, I'm really surprised AJ Styles and Daniel Bryan still doesn't have a stipulation even though they're wrestling each other yet again... lol. Not much choices this year either on who will win the Rumble. It seems like Charlotte (or Becky) is the heavy favorite on the Women's side and on the Men's side it's either just Rollins or McIntyre. I really want them to let Kofi win it even though we all know he won't. Why do all these main eventers need to constantly win right? They'll get their title opportunities all the time. That's why it's about time they let a mid-carder "shock the world"... but the whole idea behind him main-eventing WrestleMania will never be approved by Vince.

TakeOver should be good as well. I haven't been keeping up with NXT again but I'll definitely tune in for it!

Edit: Oh yeah, about that thing you mentioned with Ronda. I think the dirt sheets were just saying nonsense. Pretty sure Ronda is locked up until 2021 so she's not leaving anytime soon. And speaking of contracts, the dirt sheets also say Ziggler's contract is expiring at the end of January which is why he hasn't been on RAW the last few weeks after putting McIntyre over. He has only been working house shows. So we'll see if he's in the Rumble. I think if he is, he is staying with WWE still. If he's not, I expect him to jump ship to AEW.

ucsdguy1
January 25th, 2019, 11:35 AM
That could work although I think they really want Rousey vs Charlotte vs Becky in a Triple Threat Match for the Women's Title. I personally don't like the champ vs champ matches because you're bound to make one brand look bad... like they did with Smackdown all through Survivor Series.

The question is how do they transition Rousey over to Smackdown for when they move to Fox in October?

For the Rumble, I'm really surprised AJ Styles and Daniel Bryan still doesn't have a stipulation even though they're wrestling each other yet again... lol. Not much choices this year either on who will win the Rumble. It seems like Charlotte (or Becky) is the heavy favorite on the Women's side and on the Men's side it's either just Rollins or McIntyre. I really want them to let Kofi win it even though we all know he won't. Why do all these main eventers need to constantly win right? They'll get their title opportunities all the time. That's why it's about time they let a mid-carder "shock the world"... but the whole idea behind him main-eventing WrestleMania will never be approved by Vince.

TakeOver should be good as well. I haven't been keeping up with NXT again but I'll definitely tune in for it!

Edit: Oh yeah, about that thing you mentioned with Ronda. I think the dirt sheets were just saying nonsense. Pretty sure Ronda is locked up until 2021 so she's not leaving anytime soon. And speaking of contracts, the dirt sheets also say Ziggler's contract is expiring at the end of January which is why he hasn't been on RAW the last few weeks after putting McIntyre over. He has only been working house shows. So we'll see if he's in the Rumble. I think if he is, he is staying with WWE still. If he's not, I expect him to jump ship to AEW.
Agree on Styles/Bryan. This should be a falls count anywhere match. The past few weeks has seen Bryan doing promos from merchandise stands, concessions vendors, etc. Why not let them take the fight there? Would it be funny to see AJ shove a pork hot dog into Bryan's mouth prior to doing a superman punch off a beer counter?

Now I'm reading Rhonda is locked up until 2021 but may want extended time off after Wrestlemania to start a family. I tend to feel it's all nonsense too, the whole point when she signed was that she was taking it seriously and would be around for awhile. You have to figure this went into the Fox negotiations too.

I don't like the Becky/Charlotte/Rousey triple threat match. I get the title vs title is hard so as not to make one brand look weak (although Vince doesn't seem to care about making Smackdown look weak), but I'd rather have a Wrestlemania match be a 1 on 1 encounter between two of the best.

Isn't Ziggler focusing on stand up comedy now? :)

TooCool
January 27th, 2019, 01:05 AM
I had a family dinner tonight but I just finished watching NXT TakeOver. Holy **** what a PPV as usual.

War Raiders vs Undisputed Era for the NXT Tag Team Championship - Just relentless nonstop action. They showcased the speed and power game of the War Raiders really well but Roderick Strong and Kyle O'Reilly are no slouches when it comes to power as well. They did a lot of heelish tag stuff like The Revival which was expected but it was great to see. I don't know how else to describe it but it was such a fun match. If they keep Undisputed Era in NXT then I can easily see them recapture the Tag Titles down the line. But for now, a well deserved win for Hanson and Rowe.

Matt Riddle vs Kassius Ohno - Above average match here but at least it didn't drag. I like that Ohno took advantage of the fact that Riddle was wrestling barefooted by stomping on his foot and even biting his toe. o_o The finish was bizarre because they were elbow strikes but it was treated as a submission move. Is that what Riddle did in the indies I wonder? Unique finisher though.

Ricochet vs Johnny Gargano for the NXT North American Championship - Easily the best match of the night. Unreal counters left and right. It's about time Gargano has a singles title. There's just no way to describe this, you just have to watch it. I absolutely loved it.

Shayna Baszler vs Bianca Belair for the NXT Women's Championship - I had zero interest in this match but I was willing to give it a fair shot. I'll give Belair props and I liked the way she was booked. They played the whole undefeated thing real well. It was interesting that she refused to tap out to Baszler which was a great way to tell a story. She kept trying to fight it off until she couldn't.

Tommaso Ciampa vs Aleister Black for the NXT Championship - This match was great towards the end and maybe overall it was a little too slow for my liking. I get that neither guy are extremely high flyers so it makes sense. Aleister really sold that left leg injury all match long and I tell ya, that's a lost art in wrestling. The Heel DIY signs were there, especially when Ciampa ripped open that ring mat to try to hurt Aleister, the same way the Gargano did against Ricochet earlier in the night. Loved how Ciampa rolled to his stomach at the last second after eating a Black Mass. The fact that it took FOUR Fairytale Ending finishers to win was a nice touch.

I also marked out for Gargano coming out at the end to "celebrate" with Ciampa. Both guys holding singles titles and it takes the meaning of DIY to a whole new level. They definitely "Do It Yourself" you say? That's exactly what they did to get where they are. Love it.

Does Adam Cole show up in the Rumble again tomorrow? Or do we actually see The Velveteen Dream? That should be fun.

ucsdguy1
January 27th, 2019, 04:13 PM
I was watching at midnight last night and was so exhausted I had to watch the ciampa/black match this morning.

What a ppv indeed.

War raiders/undisputed - what a match. The crowd was super hot and I think added a lot to the excitement. Amazing what the war raiders can do with their bodies considering how big they are. Undisputed losing cleanly leads me to believe Cole won’t be happy with losing gold, which might add to the seeds of discontent in the group.

Ohno/Riddle - not as out of breath watching as the first match. But a good way to show riddle is not just the “bro” schtick and can lay the smacketh down if needed. Ohno sold well but continuing to tap after the match ended. I wasn’t sure if he ref called a submission or just called the match to keep Ohno from getting permanent brain damage. But I think they announced it as a submission victory anyway.

Ricochet/Gargano - completely agree. Holy crap some of those moves. I thought Gargano finally going to the dark side couldve been an even darker move other than just removing a mat on the floor. But the point was made. Candace Larae nowhere in sight. I need to watch this match again just to revel in its glory.

Belair/Baszler - how in the heck do you follow up ricochet/gargano? Baszler still doesn’t do much for me and I’m not yet on the Belair hype train that seems to be going around, but Bianca showed athleticism and heart. Good on her getting up from Baszler’s choke a few times before finally knocking out. Who in the heck is going to beat Baszler after this? And do I really care?

Ciampa/black - I really liked this match. Not because it was high flying or death defying, but it was just a solid old school war. Agree on your points with black selling the leg injury, and ciampa mimicking garano’s move.

Many different ways they can go with both guys holding the belts at the end, but I assume it was Gargano finally acknowledging ciampa was right, he had to go this route to finally cross the finish line. These two should carry the torch for awhile.

Apparently after the ppv went off the air Cole and velveteen came to the ramp and there was a pseudo brawl, of which hhh had to come break it up. Feuds going forward.

I don’t know what they do with Black after losing cleanly, so I’m going to venture a guess he shows up at rumble or may he called up. Maybe velveteen for a one off too.

Either way, quality show.

ucsdguy1
January 27th, 2019, 04:23 PM
And just put on the kickoff show, already that rusev result is a load of BS

ucsdguy1
January 27th, 2019, 07:49 PM
First thoughts as i watch.....I absolutely don’t like lynch tapping to asuke. Yes she entered the rumble and won as we expected but to me the tapout lost her a ton of credibility. Other ways they could’ve gone, like injuring her leg so bad against asuke they had to stop the match, but she bravely comes back out? Someone else gets involved costing her the title match (::cough Nia Jax part 2:: who she could’ve gone after with even more reason in the rumble?) Heck even accidentally getting knocked out on the floor or something?


We’ll probably now get flair/asuke at wrestlemania as a side dish, but just feel like great lynch gets to go to wrestlemania and probably face rousey, and she can win, err.... but she tapped out to the smackdown champ?

ucsdguy1
January 27th, 2019, 09:46 PM
And Nia Jax is once again a pride of San Diego (no thanks to her brethren Rey mysterio)

TooCool
January 28th, 2019, 12:39 AM
First thoughts as i watch.....I absolutely don’t like lynch tapping to asuke. Yes she entered the rumble and won as we expected but to me the tapout lost her a ton of credibility. Other ways they could’ve gone, like injuring her leg so bad against asuke they had to stop the match, but she bravely comes back out? Someone else gets involved costing her the title match (::cough Nia Jax part 2:: who she could’ve gone after with even more reason in the rumble?) Heck even accidentally getting knocked out on the floor or something?


We’ll probably now get flair/asuke at wrestlemania as a side dish, but just feel like great lynch gets to go to wrestlemania and probably face rousey, and she can win, err.... but she tapped out to the smackdown champ?

I'm okay with Becky tapping out. After all, Asuka is the champ too so you have to give her some credit for that. I think it was just a case of both superstars using counter after counter, and eventually Asuka got the best of Becky. To me, it was no different than Rollins losing clean to Orton at WM31 and then he came out and cashed in the MITB contract on Brock Lesnar.

Nia Jax coming out at #30 (http://letsgokings.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=30) to attack R-Truth was a bit unnecessary. I mean sure, it told a story that if Becky can replace Lana, why can't she replace R-Truth? But that kind of comedy should be reserved for the early entrants in my opinion. Not at the #30 (http://letsgokings.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=30) slot. Pretty okay showing for Gargano, Black, and Dunne. They didn't really get to shine too much but with a hectic match like the Royal Rumble, I guess that's okay. I'm really surprised that EC3 wasn't used.

As for the Women's Rumble, you can tell Vince really likes Lacey Evans. Tall blonde, which is exactly his flavor lol. She stayed pretty darn long and eliminated at least 3-5 people. One thing I was really surprised by was that American Ninja Warrior chick, Kacy. She looks freaking tiny! Might be smaller than Alexa Bliss even. I loved Kairi Sane coming out and laughed at Corey Graves' comment when he asked if running with a telescope is equivalent to running with scissors.

One minor complaint though is that the crazy Rumble saves was a thing Kofi started doing. Now you had people like Naomi and Kacy doing the same, it kind of took away from Kofi's "magic".

All in all, pretty fun Rumble. 7 hours is way too long though but overall, I still found it entertaining through and through.

ucsdguy1
January 28th, 2019, 10:17 AM
Okay - that ppv was LONG.

The men's rumble felt like guys were coming out every 30 seconds, and eliminations were happening faster than in the women's probably due to time. Strowman eliminated, so does he just continue his midcard feud with Corbin now? If Nakamura can come back and enter, why couldn't Rusev? At least Dunne got to smash a few fingers. Black showed some good stuff I suppose, and I think at least got to eliminate someone like Ambrose. I didn't think Gargano got to show a whole lot, but of course anyone can watch the match from the night before. At least some NXT chants resonated through the match. I was very surprised EC3 wasn't involved.

Still not thrilled with the Lynch tapout. Very happy for Asuke and hopefully she gets an extended run as women's champ. And if anything this gives her major credibility after the really bad start with the writing. Just feel there were ways to let herkeep the title and a big persona without Lynch having to tap out. In the end, fans get what they want though (I mean who didn't expect her to win the rumble the second she lost to asuke). Lynch is THE MAN of wwe, unless she faces THE EMPRESS. But I'll go with your thoughts and figure she'll go "I get knocked down, but I get up again, and again, and again".

Lesnar/Balor - I will credit Lesnar for really selling his stomach injury. Sad for Balor but I never expected him to win.

Styles/Bryan - I admit I was putting my kids to bed and missed a good chunk of this. Rowen huh? I'm not sure that does a whole lot for me, but I guess he's the new Kane? This match being right after the women's rumble probably had the crowd a little tired.

Rousey/Banks - good match. I think we all expected Rousey to retain, but at least Banks put up a fight. Finally Rousey wins a match by pinfall not submission. Banks can now go get the women's tag titles with Bayley (who didn't look like a complete pushover at least in the women's rumble)

Miz/Shane vs. Bar - I heard this referred to as the "storyline nobody asked for". I get it, but I didn't seem to care much. This good guy happy go lucky Miz doesn't pack quite the punch as he has in the past. I guess only a matter of time before he turns on Shane?

Women's Rumble - wow lots of guest appearances. That save Kacy made on her hands was pretty crazy. Any Io Shirai backflip off the top is a good time. I still am fine with Jax entering. She got rid of Ali, stood face to face with Orton (she SOLD that rko), took a superkick from Ziggler, and a 619. It took 3 guys to eliminate her? Good on her! This won't break open any inter-gender wrestling barriers but she hung tough with some big boys. Also my son walked in and noted "wow dad she's really strong" :) Was Maria and Fox fighting over the hat funny or just sad? I really liked this match - lots of action all over the place. Another note when my son walked in and saw Hornswaggle "wow dad he's really short, will he get hurt?". Of course at this point my wife yelled for letting me let a 4 year old watch this and took him away. ha ha?




Other thoughts:

1. Titus - brilliant learning from his tripping mistake
2. Another Graves' comment that had me lol'ing: "We've been here for four and a half hours already but by all means Elias, take your time. That's JE double F, JA double R, E double T.

Also fans in Ireland were quite happy with Lynch's result: https://wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/watch-fans-in-ireland-bar-go-crazy-after-becky-lynch-wins-womens-royal-rumble-match/

LetTigerIn
January 28th, 2019, 11:29 AM
I recently downloaded the ESPN app and discovered (to my dismay) yesterday that if you request the app alert you to "WWE News," it will spoil PPV results for you. :facepalm:

TooCool
January 28th, 2019, 11:57 AM
I recently downloaded the ESPN app and discovered (to my dismay) yesterday that if you request the app alert you to "WWE News," it will spoil PPV results for you. :facepalm:

Aw that sucks, but also interesting. I think because ESPN covers WWE now, they'll spoil it like live sports with the scores/results.

I think Shinsuke Nakamura had to enter because he won the Rumble last year. It would be silly to have kept him in the back just because he had a Pre-Show match. It was sad to see him do almost nothing though in the Rumble other than eliminate Kurt. At least Graves tried to sell it saying Nakamura wasn't fresh because of his match earlier in the night. I agree with you about Rusev though. There just wasn't any room for him but they could have done without the No Way Jose and Titus O'Neil stuff to give Rusev that spot.

And the hat thing with Alicia Fox and Maria Kanellis was dumb. I think a writer must have thought it would be a hilarious moment but it came off as really lame.

ucsdguy1
January 28th, 2019, 09:58 PM
Ms rousey, meet a pro-Becky crowd :)

ucsdguy1
January 29th, 2019, 11:02 AM
Apparently some advertisements for the Fastlane ppv are claiming it will be Lynch vs. Charlotte. Granted these can always change. Also saying Flair will still be involved in the Wrestlemania match with Lynch/Rousey. But after last night, let's just keep it Rousey/Lynch.

Also rag sheets saying Ambrose has given notice he won't re-sign with wwe and will be done come April. I'll believe that when I see it. Losing to Rollins cleanly last night didn't help his momentum, but was that a potential feud with uh.....Tamina and Jax?

So uh, five F-5's to Rollins huh. After 4 he got up and asked for more. Okay it's a start.

Consider me not thrilled with a Balor/Lashley feud. Are they going to serve Finn up to Bobby anyway?

Okay so Road Dogg was fun for nostalgia purposes. His unintentionally egging on the "holy s***" chants was funny. But, is Elias a heel again now?

TooCool
January 29th, 2019, 08:38 PM
Here's a pretty cool behind the scenes video of NXT Stars finding out they're going to be in the Rumble.


https://youtu.be/vkhdU50y5s4

ucsdguy1
January 30th, 2019, 08:56 AM
and just like that, they turn Rusev heel again..

https://media.giphy.com/media/27EhcDHnlkw1O/giphy.gif

TooCool
January 30th, 2019, 12:53 PM
and just like that, they turn Rusev heel again..

https://media.giphy.com/media/27EhcDHnlkw1O/giphy.gif

Yep. Just like they turned Elias on RAW. Sometimes I really question what the writers/bookers are doing. Do they think it's fresh or something? Remember when the Riott Squad debuted on RAW? Then the same thing happened on Smackdown with Absolution. No creativity.

Also having Shinsuke win the US Title for the 2nd time only to lose it asap is dumb. But at the same time I'm okay with it since neither he or Rusev were used properly anyway. At least with R-Truth maybe having a babyface in a comedy role could help. I was wondering why they didn't have Mustafa Ali come out to help Truth when he was being attacked 2 on 1, because I figured they'd have him go for a mid-card title first. Instead, he's in the WWE Title match instead. Good for him.

Speaking of WWE Title... poor Daisy. The new belt looks hideous and it fits Daniel Bryan perfectly. Watch that "eco-friendly" belt go for $350+ anyway on WWEShop.

At least next week we'll see The Goodbrothers against Rusev and Nakamura. Hopefully they give them at least 15 minutes though I'm sure they'll only get 5.

Also unsure if Dean is really leaving since now WWE officially announced it when they usually won't. A little curious because Dean's real name is Jonathan Moxley but WWE said it was Jonathan Good. Either way if he really does leave, good for AEW. And speaking of releases, the dirt sheets said Hideo Itami has been officially granted his release. Poor guy never got the push he deserved. I mean sure, he got injured a few times which sucks but when he is healthy, he deserved more. I wonder if he'll go back to Japan or stay here in America with AEW.

ucsdguy1
January 30th, 2019, 02:47 PM
Yep......and Asuke wasn't on (or I think even mentioned) on Smackdown last night......


I also didn't know Ricochet and Catanzaro were a couple


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=363&v=DKV5bisSi68

ucsdguy1
January 31st, 2019, 10:39 AM
And after last night - how do we get Sane/Shirai into the women's tag match at elmination chamber??

TooCool
January 31st, 2019, 08:54 PM
And after last night - how do we get Sane/Shirai into the women's tag match at elmination chamber??

That would be amazing right? Hell... when they first mentioned the Women's Tag Titles they did think of having those titles defended on either RAW, Smackdown, or NXT. But sadly that just won't happen...

Just look at the 6 guys they put together for the Halftime Heat match. Can you imagine if Vince allowed Velveteen Dream, Aleister Black, Ricochet, Johnny Gargano, Tommaso Ciampa, and Adam Cole to have a match in the Elimination Chamber instead? That would have been absolutely nuts.


I also didn't know Ricochet and Catanzaro were a couple

I didn't know either. I thought Catanzaro was dating some dude she met from American Ninja Warrior instead. But I guess they broke it off. Good for Ricochet, she's a cutie.

ucsdguy1
February 5th, 2019, 10:06 AM
so lame


Rusev and Lana joined Lilian Garcia for a conversation on her Chasing Glory podcast and right at the end of part one of a two parter, Lilian asks “why did they break you guys up with Aiden English?” The tone immediately changes, with Lana kicking it to Rusev with “I’ll let you answer that question.”

So he does:

”Who’s to say? They had different visions. Management had different visions. And we fought, and we fought, and we fought.”

Lilian confirms he’s saying they wanted to stick together, and he does just that.

”Of course! If it ain’t broke, why fix it? There’s nothing to fix. I keep referring back to last WrestleMania and all that because I just watched the WWE 24 special or whatever, and the whole weekend, the whole thing, months leading into and after it was all about Rusev Day, and people singing, top selling merch, everything.”

That’s when Lana jumps back in to talk about how big it felt in New Orleans, that they couldn’t walk down the street without hearing the chants of “Rusev Day.” It felt like a legitimately big deal. Naturally, they wanted to continue that.

Would they want to go back?

”We’re way past that at this point,” Rusev said. “We’ve gotta move on.”

TooCool
February 5th, 2019, 03:02 PM
so lame

I saw that Wrestlemania 24 Special thing the other night too. That thing with the whole Rusev Day was amazing. You could tell that Rusev and Lana were legit happy. But the fact that Vince (and management) ignored that and didn't do anything special with it... I don't think Rusev will get any major push moving forward. =\

ucsdguy1
February 5th, 2019, 03:18 PM
I saw that Wrestlemania 24 Special thing the other night too. That thing with the whole Rusev Day was amazing. You could tell that Rusev and Lana were legit happy. But the fact that Vince (and management) ignored that and didn't do anything special with it... I don't think Rusev will get any major push moving forward. =\
Yep. I still recall last year wearing my shirt to Disneyland and was getting high fives and happy rusev day yells all day (my wife was so enthralled.....not). Missed opportunity. Interesting that they didn't want to break up with Aiden either.

As for last night, the story with Lynch was a bit weird. I mean Stephanie wasn't really doing anything all that heel owner-ish was she? I guess the story will be Lynch knows her knee is injured and wants to fight through it, but is terrified her opportunity will be taken away from her?

Ambrose's role is now to put over talent before he heads out into the sunset? That whole Bliss segment was really awkward, and the whole scene was stolen by Ambrose ripping on EC3 ("where are EC 1 and 2?", "you look like a Creed fan")

TooCool
February 5th, 2019, 04:40 PM
Yep. I still recall last year wearing my shirt to Disneyland and was getting high fives and happy rusev day yells all day (my wife was so enthralled.....not). Missed opportunity. Interesting that they didn't want to break up with Aiden either.

As for last night, the story with Lynch was a bit weird. I mean Stephanie wasn't really doing anything all that heel owner-ish was she? I guess the story will be Lynch knows her knee is injured and wants to fight through it, but is terrified her opportunity will be taken away from her?

Ambrose's role is now to put over talent before he heads out into the sunset? That whole Bliss segment was really awkward, and the whole scene was stolen by Ambrose ripping on EC3 ("where are EC 1 and 2?", "you look like a Creed fan")

Your wife was just jealous you were getting high fives!!! :lol:

I'm not a fan of Stephanie thrusting herself into the storyline as usual. Becky/Ronda was fine on its own. But you know how the McMahons are, they are glory hogs... Also doesn't make sense for Ronda to say that Becky wasn't being "professional" when she attacked Steph last year as well. Typical brain dead WWE logic right?

I'm glad EC3 finally got some TV time. Unfortunately it looks like they're booking him as a mute. Let him speak! He is great on the mic. I swear Vince doesn't know these guys... And speaking of Vince being Vince, guess who lost their last names? Your boys, Heavy Machinery. I guess that was expected.. =\ Just calling them Otis and Tucker, meh. But we'll see how it goes I guess. I did see a hilarious tweet where someone was pretending to be a ring announcer and announcing Orton's title win. "And NEEEEEWWWWW WWE Champion... RANDY!" That just made me laugh.

ucsdguy1
February 6th, 2019, 10:12 AM
Your wife was just jealous you were getting high fives!!! :lol:
I'm not a fan of Stephanie thrusting herself into the storyline as usual. Becky/Ronda was fine on its own. But you know how the McMahons are, they are glory hogs... Also doesn't make sense for Ronda to say that Becky wasn't being "professional" when she attacked Steph last year as well. Typical brain dead WWE logic right?


HHH too?


I guess, at least Asuke got a vignette last night? :10smile:

TooCool
February 6th, 2019, 12:43 PM
HHH too?


I guess, at least Asuke got a vignette last night? :10smile:

HHH too... soon it will be Vince himself. =x

Poor Asuka, I think she's going to be on the sideline as a champ for now because the focus is on the Women's Tag Titles at the Elimination Chamber. I also think it's very silly that the RAW Women need to "qualify" to be in the chamber but the Smackdown girls can just declare themselves for it. That's what happens when you don't have enough Women on the Smackdown side.

Is it just me or does Orton seem a bit rejuvenated when he got to face someone new like Mustafa Ali? That RKO he did last night was unique and a cool looking spot.

It's great that we finally got to see The Goodbrothers wrestle but now there's no New Day, The Bar, and R-Truth as US Champ... I know you can't make time for everyone but I also don't understand how WWE does such a poor job of putting guys on TV to keep them noticed. I saw some tweets from Sanity and they're fed up.

ucsdguy1
February 6th, 2019, 02:07 PM
HHH too... soon it will be Vince himself. =x

Poor Asuka, I think she's going to be on the sideline as a champ for now because the focus is on the Women's Tag Titles at the Elimination Chamber. I also think it's very silly that the RAW Women need to "qualify" to be in the chamber but the Smackdown girls can just declare themselves for it. That's what happens when you don't have enough Women on the Smackdown side.

Is it just me or does Orton seem a bit rejuvenated when he got to face someone new like Mustafa Ali? That RKO he did last night was unique and a cool looking spot.

It's great that we finally got to see The Goodbrothers wrestle but now there's no New Day, The Bar, and R-Truth as US Champ... I know you can't make time for everyone but I also don't understand how WWE does such a poor job of putting guys on TV to keep them noticed. I saw some tweets from Sanity and they're fed up.
Did you see Ali's eye after last night?

http://www.prowrestlingsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/mustafa-ali.jpg

As for Asuke, it seems very hard to focus on her as champion or as a powerhouse when the women's scene is directly focused on Lynch and Rousey (no mention of the Lynch tapout since royal rumble, hmmm).

I can never tell if tweets are real or scripted as wwe seems so heavily focused on controlling what gets out. But I don't blame Sanity for WTF sentiments.

ucsdguy1
February 7th, 2019, 11:02 AM
Gargano/Velveteen has me like yes please! Although it looks like this is being used to further Johnny more towards the DIY-dark side, and Velveteen will most likely lose which sucks. Especially as it's on NXT in two weeks, not at a Takeover (until the inevitable rematch).

Ricochet/Cole? Yes please part two.

so Drew Gulak came to NXT. This guy he wrestled BugenHagen though? Dude is a straight up rock n roll rick martel who could double in a dr. pepper commercial. That was a laugh. Hell of a match with Riddle/Gulak though.

ucsdguy1
February 12th, 2019, 10:40 AM
Am I crazy, or are they completely mis-writing what made Lynch so popular? "The Man" who took no crap would never just apologize to HHH and Stephanie. She might have said "I'm sorry.......for what I'm about to do to you" and hit them again. She never would have listened and taken advice from other superstars on the roster of whether to apologize.

And where were HHH and Stephanie when Vince just went over their heads? Lynch will still obviously be in the match at Wrestlemania, and I still don't like the idea of Charlotte being in it.

Also, so is Banks legimitately injured and being protected, or are they inching towards breaking up Bayley and Banks AGAIN? Second week in a row "injured" sasha leaves bayley out to dry. Shouldn't they just win the women's tag titles and have a run for awhile?

LetTigerIn
February 12th, 2019, 04:18 PM
Meh. Only thing worth watching last night was Gable and Roode vs. The Revival. Good match.

ucsdguy1
February 19th, 2019, 01:45 PM
Yeah the debuts of Gargano, Ciampa, Black and Ricochet last night were.....strange

CIrvine
February 20th, 2019, 07:45 AM
So Andrade is on the same level as Elias?

ucsdguy1
February 20th, 2019, 10:27 AM
So Andrade is on the same level as Elias?

More or less.

I'm really on the fence with the 4 guys debuts on Smackdown again. The storyline for Ciampa/Gargano in NXT are great and continue to evolve in his trek to the dark side. Now they're just friends who want to make an impact in wwe? There seemed to be zero conflict between them. And are they going to wrestle on both shows while keeping the NXT titles? Ricochet and Black I guess have looked good (to the sacrifice of guys like Andrade and Eric Young who should be pushed in their own right, or the revival). The whole debut of these guys just looked very rushed (and dead crowds didn't really help). Apparently articles saying this was Vince's reaction to sagging ratings, and he just said "give me the best 4 guys in NXT". I could argue Adam Cole to be brought up too. At this point, it might have been fun to have Ciampa lead a nwo-like invasion of NXT guys to Raw and Smackdown, nothing the shows are stale and they are about to bring the action back.

They're teasing a "big announcement" on NXT tonight.

Rags noting Tye Dillinger has asked for his release. Who can blame him.

Asuke - WTF? The Smackdown women's champ isn't seen for a couple weeks, then proceeds to lose to a rollup from Mandy Rose? Like she wouldn't see a faked injury coming? Geezus. There were ways to make Mandy Rose the next contender without having Asuke get pinned.

Good for Kingston. It's a shame a Mustafa injury forced him into the role, but wwe seems to have listened to the universe [::cough Rusev cough::]. He and Bryan can put on a really good match. Kofimania is real, and they didn't have to break up the new day to do it. I'm not sure they have the cajones to take the title off Bryan yet though.

Miz is now a continuous loser? The times they are a-changin...

TooCool
February 20th, 2019, 12:16 PM
My bad guys. I'm way behind in discussing WWE stuff with you.

First things first. The Elimination Chamber PPV. I didn't bother watching this live because I only cared about the two Chamber matches and a little bit of the Smackdown Tag Titles.

- Women's Chamber Match for the Tag Titles. It was alright. I think it felt too rehearsed because they did a lot of "double team" moves where here were too many times where if one partner gave someone a hip toss, the other one will do the same thing if that makes sense. I think I easily counted up to like 5 times where it happened and it kind of bugged me because it's not like they did those moves before you know? Ultimately though, it was wise to put it on Sasha and Bayley first. While I don't care for Nia Jax and Tamina at all, at least they were clever in the fact that the only reason they lost was because Nia made one mistake in taking herself out.

- Smackdown Tag Titles. So Jimmy got arrested and they still put the titles on them. I'm surprised because it makes you wonder what kind of message they're sending to the locker room. As far as the story goes, it's a good slow build for the predictable Miz turn at Fastlane when this time Shane will probably get pinned. Then you got your Wrestlemania match there.

- Chamber match for the WWE Title. I really enjoyed this match. Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that Jeff Hardy and Randy Orton didn't do more in the match. But the story revolved around Kofi Kingston and that's fine by me. For someone like him being in the WWE for so long, he really does deserve one title run. The only problem is that it's Wrestlemania season and they already got most of their WM matches set, so you know the titles won't change hands before that... especially the main titles. (Which is why I didn't care about Ronda/Riott.) Like you mentioned, it sucks for Mustafa Ali that he got hurt because that would have been the way they booked him but ultimately I feel that Kofi deserves it more anyway. Hell, in the future maybe you can turn Ali heel and have him feud with Kofi for stealing his spotlight.

That's all I got for the Chamber PPV. I fast forwarded through Balor vs Lashley & Rush, Strowman vs Corbin, and Rousey vs Riott. I did watch that Charlotte/Becky/Ronda segment though.

----------------------------------------------------------------

As for the NXT Dudes showing up... So Vince just wanted the 4 best guys? You're right, he really doesn't follow NXT. And also this is sadly proof that most of the WWE audience still don't watch NXT and they will never watch it. That's why when Velveteen Dream eventually gets called up, Vince is going to turn him into a joke when he has no reaction from the crowd. =\

The unfortunate part is that they like to pretend that things that happened on NXT never happened before. So as far as things are concerned on commentary, Cole, Graves, Phillips, etc will act like Ciampa and Gargano don't hate each other but that they just teamed up before as DIY. Can you imagine how EC3 feels? It's like they just forgot about him now that the focus is on Ricochet, Black, and DIY. Speaking of which, I wonder if there are bets on how fast Aleister is going to lose his last name. :(

As for Asuka being dumb.. yeah, unfortunately that's how faces are. They get distracted and fall for anything really.

And finally... good luck Tye Dillinger. I can see other wrestlers following suit eventually when AEW launches. Good for him for not being happy with collecting a paycheck in catering. There's just too many wrestlers right now and not enough TV time or a competent writing team to book them properly.

ucsdguy1
February 20th, 2019, 02:42 PM
Another rag sheet said rumor is the Usos are close to being free agents and this was a way to appease them? I don't buy it.

I 100% agree with you on Velveteen.

These vignettes that have been running with Kevin Owens.....so last night he made a quick comment like "I've been reminded what I'm fighting for"........opponent for Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania maybe??

Here's a nice little blurb on stories and writing I read today:


Who Needs Continuity?

I wrote much of this column on Monday after Elimination Chamber but before Raw. That was a mistake.

I had to delete roughly half of the original draft before the first hour of Raw was over. So that's great.

One of my now-deleted points was about the befuddling decision to split up Bobby Lashley and Lio Rush so quickly. I guess someone at WWE had the same thought, because they were back together without much explanation on Raw.

You know how it looked like Lashley was forming a new faction with Baron Corbin and Drew McIntyre at Elimination Chamber? Yeah, that's not happening. There wasn't even a mention of it on Monday.

Oh, and Dean Ambrose apparently has amnesia and has forgotten about the time he turned on Seth Rollins and the ensuing months. It's quite funny, and it's at least some sort of explanation for the sudden character change, which is more than we've been getting lately.

Tommaso Ciampa and Johnny Gargano are back to being the version of DIY they were before, you know, they tried to kill each over for over a year on NXT.

These aren't huge issues, but it's hard to get invested in a character and storyline when it's clear the people behind the story aren't invested themselves.

ucsdguy1
February 20th, 2019, 02:46 PM
and funny enough after I wrote that post above, a couple of rag sheets are writing that Owens may be penciled in as Bryan's opponent..

ucsdguy1
February 21st, 2019, 10:22 AM
so NXT last night (spoiler alerts)...




Black beats Strong (very good match by the way). Undisputed attacks him, Ricochet comes out for the save. Inevitably will lead to a tag match (probably they'll be a mystery team in the dusty rhodes classic?). Undisputed can't catch a break. No real mention of the guys on Raw until a later vignette.

VELVETEEN WINS!! Geezus this match. Amazing what can happen with 20-30 minutes. I almost wish this had happen at a Takeover. So (a) Velveteen winning tells me Gargano is staying up top. But (b) Ciampa looking on from the back after Gargano loses, coupled with Lerae asking what the hell he was doing there before the match, tells me this story will continue Johnny's trend to DIY-dark in NXT.

So I guess the 4 guys will wrestle on Raw/Smackdown as well as NXT for the time being?

TooCool
February 21st, 2019, 11:02 AM
so NXT last night (spoiler alerts)...




Black beats Strong (very good match by the way). Undisputed attacks him, Ricochet comes out for the save. Inevitably will lead to a tag match (probably they'll be a mystery team in the dusty rhodes classic?). Undisputed can't catch a break. No real mention of the guys on Raw until a later vignette.

VELVETEEN WINS!! Geezus this match. Amazing what can happen with 20-30 minutes. I almost wish this had happen at a Takeover. So (a) Velveteen winning tells me Gargano is staying up top. But (b) Ciampa looking on from the back after Gargano loses, coupled with Lerae asking what the hell he was doing there before the match, tells me this story will continue Johnny's trend to DIY-dark in NXT.

So I guess the 4 guys will wrestle on Raw/Smackdown as well as NXT for the time being?

You know what's interesting about last night's episode was that it was taped back on Jan 30 (when they taped 3 episodes in one night). This is interesting to read on how the tapings went. I'll copy and paste it here since it already happened.


(13) Velveteen Dream pinned Johnny Gargano to win the NXT North American Championship, OR Johnny Gargano pinned Velveteen Dream to retain the NXT North American Championship. The wrestlers brought the energy down to start, and built back up from there, bringing the crowd in by playing directly to them. At one point Gargano cupped his ear to the crowd like Hulk Hogan. Dream hit a Famouser for two. Gargano responded by reversing a maneuver in the corner in to a DDT for two. Dream slapped Gargano out of the air when Gargano went for his swinging DDT, and followed up with two near falls. The wrestlers appeared evenly matched as Dream whiffed a Purple Rainmaker and kicked out of a superkick. Dream hit a Dream Valley Driver from the second rope for the closest call to that point. Dream leapt off the top in to a superkick on the outside, then was rammed in to the steps and suplexed on the ramp. Gargano rolled Dream in the ring for a swinging DDT and a believable two. A sequence of superkicks, clotheslines, and reversals ensued before Dream hit two Dream Valley Drivers in a row and then a Purple Rainmaker for three.

Dream celebrated enthusiastically as Gargano left, but Gargano ran back in and attacked Dream. The bell rang repeatedly. As the action continued despite the bell, the wrestlers set back up for the Purple Rainmaker, but this time Gargano evaded and locked in the Gargano Escape. Dream tapped immediately, and the proceedings went on from there as if Gargano had retained. Gargano joined Tommaso Ciampa atop the ramp and the two echoed their post-TakeOver: Phoenix pose with their championship belts held high. In the ring Dream repeatedly said, “What the [expletive] was that” to the official, then left with a confused scowl.

So through the magic of editing, they could have had Gargano retain if that's what they wanted to do. Which is why I thought it was clever for Gargano to have the North American Title on RAW and Smackdown. Then they went ahead and gave the belt to Velveteen Dream. :)

Anyway, I can see the 4 guys staying in NXT. I don't think it would be wise to just remove them suddenly without a proper send off. Besides, TakeOver Mania is huge and you need all those guys on the card in some fashion. They taped another 3 episodes last night which allows them to easily travel with RAW/Smackdown for the TV shows and stick with NXT for house shows.

Also, the "big announcements" for 205 Live and NXT were lame since it's the same tournament for 205 Live to see who challenges Buddy Murphy at the pre-show of Wrestlemania and then NXT announced the return of the Dusty Rhodes Classic which I think we knew was going to happen anyway.

TooCool
February 22nd, 2019, 02:12 PM
So WWE today officially granted the release of Tye Dillinger and Hideo Itami. What's surprising is that they also released TJP.

ucsdguy1
February 23rd, 2019, 02:35 PM
So WWE today officially granted the release of Tye Dillinger and Hideo Itami. What's surprising is that they also released TJP.
Also Ricochet/Black vs Rusev/Shinsuke announced for smackdown Tuesday.

So if rusev/shinsuke are to have any momentum as a tag team they have to win right? But if ricochet/black lose that kills their momentum coming up. So who gets left behind?

TooCool
February 23rd, 2019, 02:56 PM
Also Ricochet/Black vs Rusev/Shinsuke announced for smackdown Tuesday.

So if rusev/shinsuke are to have any momentum as a tag team they have to win right? But if ricochet/black lose that kills their momentum coming up. So who gets left behind?

Yeah, no chance Rusev/Nakamura wins that one. I'm sure they'll chalk it up to mis-communication that will cost them to lose.

ucsdguy1
February 23rd, 2019, 04:31 PM
Yeah, no chance Rusev/Nakamura wins that one. I'm sure they'll chalk it up to mis-communication that will cost them to lose.
Or they lose but give a post match beatdown

LetTigerIn
February 25th, 2019, 09:39 AM
Also Ricochet/Black vs Rusev/Shinsuke announced for smackdown Tuesday.

So if rusev/shinsuke are to have any momentum as a tag team they have to win right? But if ricochet/black lose that kills their momentum coming up. So who gets left behind?

Logic

ucsdguy1
February 26th, 2019, 01:46 PM
Reigns announcement - I was down with this. He seemed genuinely happy (even my wife noted "he seems so nice"), and the crowd showed him just the right amount of respect.

So Ricochet/Black win again, but down goes the Revival! (again) down goes the revival! (again)

Rousey segment was okay, although I think she and Rousey forgot who was supposed to grab and use the crutch, and when. This is Steve Austin all over again, but Lynch didn't put up as much of a fight to the bouncers/cops. Rousey still needs mic work. Why didn't Charlotte come out and grab the abandoned title?
What should happen? Next week they either award Charlotte the title or have her take it in a match. Rousey than comes out and beats the living hell out of Flair, to the point she can no longer wrestle. This can also happen at whatever ppv is this month. Force that match with Lynch. What will probably happen? They make a triple threat match for Wrestlemania and both Lynch and Rousey get escorted out of a few more raws beforehand.

The whole Batista thing - I guess it was unexpected? I might be at odds with the wwe universe in that I don't care much about Batista/HHH at Wrestlemania in the slightest. So I guess this didn't do much for me.

ucsdguy1
February 27th, 2019, 09:16 AM
Yeah, no chance Rusev/Nakamura wins that one. I'm sure they'll chalk it up to mis-communication that will cost them to lose.

Or just a straight ahead loss! geezus. Nakamura sold that black mass sooooooooooo well though.

maybe it's the pint of whiskey still in my system, but THAT was how you bring Owens back? I get it, Vince is now the big bad guy who's taking away every match the fans want. But Stephanie and Shane don't even want to put up any kind of fight when he keeps changing their plans? Something has to give. And is Owens supposed to be a heel or face? I mean he used a freaking stunner for his finish. Replacing Kofi makes him a heel, but facing Bryan you would think makes him a face. Fans ain't going to cheer him taking Kofi's spot. For a second I thought he was going to throw the pen away and say "no, this is Kofi's match". Now that would've gotten the crowd on his side. Alas no. Perhaps we get a Kofi/Owens/Bryan triple threat match at Wrestlemania.

R Truth mimicking his hero John Cena. Magic. He is still a national treasure. I mean:


He came out in USA-themed gear and talked about being a little kid and wanting to be like his hero John Cena. A man he’s six years older than.

Charlotte to me has become BO-RING. Same promo every week. Didnt accomplish much last night other than to tease being crowned champ on Monday which you know Rousey and probably Lynch will interrupt.

ucsdguy1
February 28th, 2019, 09:30 AM
and why not...

so DIY back for the Dusty Rhodes tag team classic. I bet they face Ricochet/Black! Ciampa is brilliant in continuing to steer Gargano away from his title, first pushing him towards Ricochet and the North American championship, now to the tag titles. They should probably win this and face War Raiders, but whether they do I'm sure the story will be Ciampa slowly continuing to turn Gargano closer to the dark side with each victory..

Banks and Bayley on NXT was pretty rad. Crowd ate that up (they should use that young girl in the bayley jacket crying as footage forever). They could have longer and much better tag matches on NXT then they will on the top brands, so yes please let them have a match at Takeover!

CIrvine
March 5th, 2019, 08:43 AM
Five!

TooCool
March 5th, 2019, 10:03 AM
So Reigns is back and 100% healthy right? Good for him health wise, but something tells me that Rollins is going to be a transitional champ real quick because Vince is going to want to put that belt on Roman asap. For now, it looks like they really want to do one more Shield reunion before Ambrose leaves. A part of me feels that they keep mentioning "one last time" means that Ambrose really isn't going anywhere.

The RAW Women's Title picture is such a cluster**** right now. This is what you call over booking a story. Ronda is champ vs Becky the underdog who won the Rumble. It should have been that simple. Instead we got Becky getting "injured" and then invading RAW to get arrested, HHH makes her apologize, Shane and Steph accepts her apology, Vince suspends her anyway. Then Ronda "vacates" the title only for Steph to announce a match at Fastlane for the RAW Women's Title, which by the way is between TWO SMACKDOWN SUPERSTARS in Becky and Charlotte. Then Ronda said she never vacated the title only for a match to be made where Becky needs to win to get in the Triple Threat Match. When I re-read what I just typed, cluster**** is an understatement.

At least Heavy Machinery is getting some kind of spotlight on them. The crowd loves Otis which is good.

I still think it's odd that Aleister Black and Ricochet are used as a Tag Team but you know how WWE Creative is on the main roster. They don't know what they're doing. So maybe we see Black/Ricochet vs Roode/Gable vs Revival at Mania?

That's all I got on the RAW side. There was a scary incident during a Smackdown house show last night too when Mandy Rose dropped Asuka on her head and they signaled a legit injury. Thankfully Asuka said she's okay and that she landed on her back.

ucsdguy1
March 5th, 2019, 02:09 PM
So Reigns is back and 100% healthy right? Good for him health wise, but something tells me that Rollins is going to be a transitional champ real quick because Vince is going to want to put that belt on Roman asap. For now, it looks like they really want to do one more Shield reunion before Ambrose leaves. A part of me feels that they keep mentioning "one last time" means that Ambrose really isn't going anywhere.

The RAW Women's Title picture is such a cluster**** right now. This is what you call over booking a story. Ronda is champ vs Becky the underdog who won the Rumble. It should have been that simple. Instead we got Becky getting "injured" and then invading RAW to get arrested, HHH makes her apologize, Shane and Steph accepts her apology, Vince suspends her anyway. Then Ronda "vacates" the title only for Steph to announce a match at Fastlane for the RAW Women's Title, which by the way is between TWO SMACKDOWN SUPERSTARS in Becky and Charlotte. Then Ronda said she never vacated the title only for a match to be made where Becky needs to win to get in the Triple Threat Match. When I re-read what I just typed, cluster**** is an understatement.

At least Heavy Machinery is getting some kind of spotlight on them. The crowd loves Otis which is good.

I still think it's odd that Aleister Black and Ricochet are used as a Tag Team but you know how WWE Creative is on the main roster. They don't know what they're doing. So maybe we see Black/Ricochet vs Roode/Gable vs Revival at Mania?

That's all I got on the RAW side. There was a scary incident during a Smackdown house show last night too when Mandy Rose dropped Asuka on her head and they signaled a legit injury. Thankfully Asuka said she's okay and that she landed on her back.

I don't even care about Rousey turning heel. I figured that was going to happen at some point, especially with Lynch's popularity. But you know my feelings, I still don't think Charlotte ever had to be involved in the Wrestlemania match. They've slowly taken away Lynch's bad-a** ness, and the storylines with the McMahons have gone in circles. I missed the first part of Stephanie's interview last night, but was it her call to lift Becky's suspension? And if so, wouldn't Vince have had something to say about that? And Stephanie just said 'here you go' when Rousey demanded her title back? After the beatdown they interviewed Stephanie backstage, who said "the triple threat match at wrestlemania", before she paused and added "if it happens, will be a great one". Like we don't think that will happen?

Could Rollins have just said "i'm going to beat lesnar, and then big man you're first in line for a title shot?" And I actually like the speaking they're letting Reigns do now. It's more from the heart and less scripted, while still part of scripted stories. But he sounds more genuine free flowing in delivery.

ucsdguy1
March 6th, 2019, 09:35 AM
happy for Joe getting a belt. But very sad they took it from R Truth. Give me more truth! Also would've liked if Joe won on a ppv. Titles flying around again.

Again the writing. Owens comes back in a weird way, has a pretty good back and forth with Bryan/Rowan last night. His interview was really good for him as a face - sitting at home, remembering what he was fighting for, disgusted when Bryan threw the wwe belt away and made the vegan one. ("If there's one thing I hate, it's people who think they're better than everyone else") But.......doth we not remember how Vince brought him back to replace Kofi? Heel move much?
Obviously Rowan will probably interfere and help Bryan win the match at Fastlane. If they put the title on Kofi at Wrestlemania (which they should), or if Bryan retains, to me that does nothing for Kevin's comeback. I have no reason to believe they'll actually let him win the title.. And Ali comes back during the Owens/Rowan match. So......now we have three faces at once. Yet another fatal 4 way at wrestlemania? Or......huh?

Rose beat Naomi in about 45 seconds last night? Asuke seems like a complete afterthought, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if she drops the title to Rose Sunday.

Rags saying Ciampa is going to have neck surgery and won't be able to wrestle for awhile. May be forced to vacate the NXT title next week. That sucks.

TooCool
March 6th, 2019, 12:54 PM
Man I am bummed about Ciampa's injury. One of the best heels in the business only for the injury bug to hit him yet again. Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that makes Vince not want to push when they return. Just look at Ziggler and Balor as huge examples.

I missed Smackdown last night because of the stupid boring Kings game at Staples. Couldn't get rid of my tickets and didn't want to eat it either.. (first world problems!) I did catch those clips on Youtube to catch up. I really liked the whole R-Truth Open Challenge thing because of his childhood hero, John Cena. I was half thinking that maybe he did that until Wrestlemania and his opponent was John Cena or something. But since he's seen as comic relief, I guess having him defend it in a Triple Threat last week and Fatal Four Way last night made it fun. I'm happy that Samoa Joe finally got a singles title on the main roster. How long has he been with RAW/Smackdown? Insane how Vince let him go that long without a title.

I liked the Tag Team bit on Smackdown with the Hardy Boyz helping Aleister Black and Ricochet. It does make me sad to see Rusev and Nakamura as an afterthought now, but it's still a crap ton of talent when you include them with The Bar, New Day, and The Usos.

I can see your issue with Mandy Rose winning in 45 seconds. That's just your typical WWE way of making it seem like she is a legit contender and that she's ready for Asuka. I honestly don't see her winning the title at Fastlane so don't worry. :)

Is Owens going to use the Stunner as a finisher from now on? I kind of like it. I think what needs to happen at Fastlane is to have Owens come close to beating Daniel Bryan and then he fights off Rowan, only for Harper to help Daniel win. At least that way you can have Mustafa Ali and Owens vs Harper and Rowan or something.. and allow Kofi to get Daniel Bryan 1 on 1 at Wrestlemania. (Or have Big E and Xavier Woods fight Harper and Rowan)

But yeah... again with Ciampa. Really sucks. I'm not sure if he relinquishes the title next week since they already taped a few episodes 1-2 weeks ago. They could always add something at the performance center and edit it in.

LetTigerIn
March 6th, 2019, 03:50 PM
Ouch. Best wishes to Ciampa.

I pick Sami Zayn to cost KO the match at Fastlane.

ucsdguy1
March 11th, 2019, 01:37 PM
Ouch. Best wishes to Ciampa.

I pick Sami Zayn to cost KO the match at Fastlane.
Not so much.

Of course it was a great match, notwithstanding the constant "we want kofi" chants from the crowd. This of course sets up perfectly for Kofi vs. Bryan at Wrestlemania, but did not do much in the ways of Owens and Ali's returns.

I'll save my thoughts for what they've done (or NOT done with Lynch), but honestly right now Kofi is more "the man".

LetTigerIn
March 11th, 2019, 02:18 PM
Not so much.

Of course it was a great match, notwithstanding the constant "we want kofi" chants from the crowd. This of course sets up perfectly for Kofi vs. Bryan at Wrestlemania, but did not do much in the ways of Owens and Ali's returns.

I'll save my thoughts for what they've done (or NOT done with Lynch), but honestly right now Kofi is more "the man".


Yeah, was pretty obvious when they put Ali in the match what was going to happen.

ucsdguy1
March 11th, 2019, 03:29 PM
Yeah, was pretty obvious when they put Ali in the match what was going to happen.
Yeah...as soon as he walked out in his Jericho light up jacket I figured he was taking the pin.

ucsdguy1
March 13th, 2019, 08:10 AM
Obviously Kofi's going to end up facing Bryan at Wrestlemania. The thing with Vince is so strange though. Vince just doesn't seem to have the energy or vocal range to pull of the "i'm the a-hole boss" thing. I thought each New Day member gave much better promos than vince did. The 27 man gauntlet match next week, I mean Kofi has to win it right? Or he can't push through it, gets pinned and Vince screws him just a bit more before making the match.

I actually loved New Day coming out and beating the crap out of all tag teams in the match last night. They should just come out and start beating up every wrestler in every match until he gets the match!

Good to see Lynch finally throw away the crutch (I mean Wrestlemania is like 4 weeks away), but I'm soooooo bored with Charlotte, and frankly Lynch hasn't really done much of anything other than saying "I'm in your heads" and "WM needs the man".

More and more matches added [cough :: Styles/Orton:: cought ::Batista/HHH::]. Wrestlemania going to be 7.5 hours.

CIrvine
March 14th, 2019, 09:48 AM
Did Vince call Xavier and Big E "The Young Bucks"?

TooCool
March 14th, 2019, 09:51 AM
Obviously Kofi's going to end up facing Bryan at Wrestlemania. The thing with Vince is so strange though. Vince just doesn't seem to have the energy or vocal range to pull of the "i'm the a-hole boss" thing. I thought each New Day member gave much better promos than vince did. The 27 man gauntlet match next week, I mean Kofi has to win it right? Or he can't push through it, gets pinned and Vince screws him just a bit more before making the match.

I actually loved New Day coming out and beating the crap out of all tag teams in the match last night. They should just come out and start beating up every wrestler in every match until he gets the match!

Good to see Lynch finally throw away the crutch (I mean Wrestlemania is like 4 weeks away), but I'm soooooo bored with Charlotte, and frankly Lynch hasn't really done much of anything other than saying "I'm in your heads" and "WM needs the man".

More and more matches added [cough :: Styles/Orton:: cought ::Batista/HHH::]. Wrestlemania going to be 7.5 hours.

There's just too many matches we don't exactly need at WM but Vince is sure as hell going to cram everything there.

1) WWE Title - Daniel Bryan vs Kofi Kingston
2) Universal Title - Brock Lesnar vs Seth Rollins
3) RAW Women's Title - Ronda Rousey vs Becky Lynch vs Charlotte Flair
4) Smackdown Women's Title - Asuka vs Lacey Evans (most likely)
5) Smackdown Tag Titles - Usos vs Hardy Boyz (and maybe other tag teams)
6) Raw Tag Titles - Revival vs Ricochet & Black (and maybe other tag teams lol)
7) Women Tag Titles - Sasha Banks/Bayley vs Nia/Tamina vs Beth Phoenix/Natalya or Sasha/Bayley vs Trish/Lita
8) US Title - Samoa Joe vs ____ (do you really throw Rey and Andrade in this match again or give them a singles match?)
9) IC Title - Bobby Lashley vs Finn Balor (don't see any other opponents for Lashley at this time)
10) Cruiserweight Title - Buddy Murphy vs Cedric Alexander or Tony Nese
11) No Holds Barred Match: HHH vs Batista
12) Kurt Angle vs John Cena
13) Shane McMahon vs The Miz
14) AJ Styles vs Randy Orton
15) Roman Reigns vs Drew McIntyre

Then finally, to get everyone on the card...

16) Men's Battle Royal
17) Women's Battle Royal
Alexa Bliss is the host of Wrestlemania because she needs something to do while injured.

So yeah...... that's TOO MUCH. :lol:

As for some quick Smackdown thoughts. I liked that Becky threw away that crutch. Enough of the injured babyface angle. She needs to go into Mania at 100% and just win. I also agree with you about Vince. You can tell his age is really showing now and he's not the a-hole he needs to be. If anything he just looks like a deranged white man who doesn't want to come out and say, "Look. You know why I don't want you in that match Kofi? I don't want a black person winning the WWE Title and that's final!" Also, the AJ Styles/Randy Orton promo actually got me pumped for their match. Lots of truths to their burns so that's always fun.

ucsdguy1
March 14th, 2019, 11:00 AM
waaaay too much.

So Gargano/Ciampa - how they ended the post-match between them and ricochet/black (great match by the way) would've set up a perfect final match at takeover. Just too bad about the injury..

I read a spoiler for upcoming tapings that will explain how hhh handles and what will happen at takeover. Won't reveal just in case, but yeah sucks man.

ucsdguy1
March 20th, 2019, 07:53 AM
First off, Miz in 2020! Solid, solid promo to start off Smackdown. I mean really solid.

Owens was a bit comical as a talk show host, but what purpose is he really serving other than some tv time? And that Lynch/Charlotte "brawl" was lamest of the lame.

I am growing to really like the Iconics when they end a promo with "it will be.......iconic!" and stare off into space. It makes me chuckle. I mean zero chance they'd win a fatal four way at WM but hey it gets them some air time.

So I guess they want to squeeze juuust a bit more before announcing Kofi will face Bryan at WM. Figured another swerve was coming once Kofi beat Orton and there was still ample time left in the show. And good on them not letting him beat Bryan with some kind of rollup or other quick pin. Drag the story that not even he can overcome such odds. Next week they should (a) have a Bryan-style strike, putting an end to the show until he's allowed to compete at WM, (b) run out and attack every wrestler scheduled for a match and thus ruin the show, or (c) basically have Bryan and/or McMahon come out to promo he is still the B+ player, then have the entire roster come out, surround the ring, and demand he get his WM shot (since many were cheering him on backstage anyway).

See, writing.

TooCool
March 20th, 2019, 11:59 AM
First off, Miz in 2020! Solid, solid promo to start off Smackdown. I mean really solid.

Owens was a bit comical as a talk show host, but what purpose is he really serving other than some tv time? And that Lynch/Charlotte "brawl" was lamest of the lame.

I am growing to really like the Iconics when they end a promo with "it will be.......iconic!" and stare off into space. It makes me chuckle. I mean zero chance they'd win a fatal four way at WM but hey it gets them some air time.

So I guess they want to squeeze juuust a bit more before announcing Kofi will face Bryan at WM. Figured another swerve was coming once Kofi beat Orton and there was still ample time left in the show. And good on them not letting him beat Bryan with some kind of rollup or other quick pin. Drag the story that not even he can overcome such odds. Next week they should (a) have a Bryan-style strike, putting an end to the show until he's allowed to compete at WM, (b) run out and attack every wrestler scheduled for a match and thus ruin the show, or (c) basically have Bryan and/or McMahon come out to promo he is still the B+ player, then have the entire roster come out, surround the ring, and demand he get his WM shot (since many were cheering him on backstage anyway).

See, writing.

Smackdown was superb last night!

Was that The Miz's first time doing a face promo? I know he's been a face for like a few months now with Best in the World Tag Team thing, but I'm talking about an actual promo where he's by himself getting sympathy from the crowd kind of promo. It was good. If I had to nitpick it would be to maybe not involve his dad in the story... but it works nonetheless.

When Owens was a heel, it's the Kevin Owens Show. Now that he's a face, it's the KO Show? I wasn't sure what to make of it. Maybe he's suppose to be like Jerry Springer and just want his guests to fight (because they're going to do so anyway). Speaking of Owens, he's just going to be in the Battle Royal at this rate... same for guys like Ali, Andrade, R-Truth, Nakamura, Rusev, and anyone else who is never on TV.

Yea, the Iiconics are great. Good promo skills but maybe not so solid in the ring. I remember in NXT the two of them were above average as well but they're still better than the likes of Lana, Tamina, and Dana Brooke. I think that was Bayley's first ever match on Smackdown as well. =o

Now for the big storyline.. Kofi Kingston being held back. This is really great stuff and honestly, the Becky stuff lost so much steam the last 2 months that I feel the WWE Championship match HAS to main event Wrestlemania. Knowing Vince though, he'll still put Lesnar/Rollins or McIntyre/Reigns for no reason. Anyway, as for this story and how they are now mentioning the B+ player thing. It's the exact opposite of what happened to the old Daniel Bryan and it's great. So what you mentioned ucsd might just happen. Daniel Bryan did the whole occupy RAW thing during that same story right? Perhaps you do an occupy Smackdown with The New Day. But do they really want to copy and paste the same story? I like the idea of them ruining the show. At this rate, New Day has nothing to lose. Either way, you gotta put the title on Kofi at Mania. It's the right move right now and even if Kofi has a short reign, who cares? I bet everyone in the back, especially Daniel Bryan will happily lose cleanly to Kofi.

Another side note about this storyline is that it's almost a stealth racist storyline too. With Vince doing whatever it takes to make sure a black guy isn't a champ. I think even Saxton mentioned it whether it was intentional or not as he said something about guys like Kofi having to work twice as hard only to get half as far.

Quick note about that match too.. I was really surprised Kofi won everything cleanly there too, other than Rowan purposely getting himself disqualified. But that's how you put someone over.

ucsdguy1
March 20th, 2019, 03:28 PM
Smackdown was superb last night!

Was that The Miz's first time doing a face promo? I know he's been a face for like a few months now with Best in the World Tag Team thing, but I'm talking about an actual promo where he's by himself getting sympathy from the crowd kind of promo. It was good. If I had to nitpick it would be to maybe not involve his dad in the story... but it works nonetheless.

When Owens was a heel, it's the Kevin Owens Show. Now that he's a face, it's the KO Show? I wasn't sure what to make of it. Maybe he's suppose to be like Jerry Springer and just want his guests to fight (because they're going to do so anyway). Speaking of Owens, he's just going to be in the Battle Royal at this rate... same for guys like Ali, Andrade, R-Truth, Nakamura, Rusev, and anyone else who is never on TV.

Yea, the Iiconics are great. Good promo skills but maybe not so solid in the ring. I remember in NXT the two of them were above average as well but they're still better than the likes of Lana, Tamina, and Dana Brooke. I think that was Bayley's first ever match on Smackdown as well. =o

Now for the big storyline.. Kofi Kingston being held back. This is really great stuff and honestly, the Becky stuff lost so much steam the last 2 months that I feel the WWE Championship match HAS to main event Wrestlemania. Knowing Vince though, he'll still put Lesnar/Rollins or McIntyre/Reigns for no reason. Anyway, as for this story and how they are now mentioning the B+ player thing. It's the exact opposite of what happened to the old Daniel Bryan and it's great. So what you mentioned ucsd might just happen. Daniel Bryan did the whole occupy RAW thing during that same story right? Perhaps you do an occupy Smackdown with The New Day. But do they really want to copy and paste the same story? I like the idea of them ruining the show. At this rate, New Day has nothing to lose. Either way, you gotta put the title on Kofi at Mania. It's the right move right now and even if Kofi has a short reign, who cares? I bet everyone in the back, especially Daniel Bryan will happily lose cleanly to Kofi.

Another side note about this storyline is that it's almost a stealth racist storyline too. With Vince doing whatever it takes to make sure a black guy isn't a champ. I think even Saxton mentioned it whether it was intentional or not as he said something about guys like Kofi having to work twice as hard only to get half as far.

Quick note about that match too.. I was really surprised Kofi won everything cleanly there too, other than Rowan purposely getting himself disqualified. But that's how you put someone over.

Miz' dad was a way to get Shane over as a heel (what better way than to go after someone's father). I also loved the fact the fact that Miz threw in Shane being just as bad as his father, and even more so the "you don't own me, and you don't own Kofi" line (part of me would've loved if Shane came out at the end to say he had to fight Bryan, only to have Miz come out and somehow will Kofi to win, but that was unnecessary). This whole story is kind of a mirror of Bryan's story, and with him as the heel it makes the reverse scenario so interesting. That makes me think another strike would be great, whether it's Kofi/New Day leading it or the rest of the roster.

No doubt Owens will be in the battle royal, which again brings me back to completely wrecking his return.

I didn't even catch the pseudo-racism in the story, good point. There was a segment wwe released from after the show yesterday. It was the New Day talking, where Big E and Woods were discussing whether they should just quit wwe and let Kofi spend time with his family. Kofi of course was the "don't let them win" voice of reason.

Oh and I 100% agree Lynch story has completely lost momentum. Fan support seems to be much more behind the Kofi story at this point. But to your point, obviously Batista/HHH will headline.

ucsdguy1
March 21st, 2019, 09:46 AM
Kona Reeves, Lost Sons of Anarchy Beards whatever they're called, bless your hearts but you're not doing a thing for me.

Fatal 5 way - that did a thing for me! Seriously just these 5 guys standing in the ring before it started already beat the WM men's battle royal. So many good spots in this match! Figured Black/Ricochet wouldn't win and hopefully they'll get some kind of time at WM (or win next week and face War Raiders at Takeover). Dream already has the North American title, so he can go ahead and fight Riddle for it. And Bay Bay can headline with Gargano. Is it two weeks from now yet?

TooCool also gets a Fatal 4 Way for the women's championship at Takeover, and will thus get both your Shirai and Sane fixes (sadly we won't get Shirai/Sane vs. Bayley/Banks as expected)

ucsdguy1
March 27th, 2019, 09:06 AM
so I'm probably debbie downer again, but I had some big issues from Smackdown last night.

1. I HATE what they just did to Asuke. HATE it. Why even give her the title to begin with? And did she care, as right after her match she was smiling and happy cheering for Kofi backstage? Her aura and any sense of momentum is gone yet again, and she may as well start asking for her release. I also don't like giving Charlotte the title again. Great, so we have champion, champion and Becky at Wrestlemania. I guess when Becky wins she can then pick what title she wants to take? Unless they unify the titles or something. Charlotte could've had a match at Wrestlemania with Asuke and stayed out of the main event (of which I still don't like the triple threat but I guarantee wwe wanted the name FLAIR involved for the first time women would headline a WM), and I still would've hated having her beat Asuke again. You can put her in the women's battle royal, but even if she won it wouldn't make a difference at this point. Remember that time Asuke got Lynch to tap out?

2. So Charlotte becomes smackdown champ, and Becky is relegated to just being a cheerleader for Kofi backstage? The MAN should have bigger fish to fry and just be part of the ensemble, no matter how much everyone loves Kofi. I enjoyed a bunch of superstars coming out to celebrate after the gauntlet (Owens' reaction was top notch), but she just seemed like one more part of the crowd.

3. Yes, we finally get confirmation Kofi will be in the main event at WM. And yes the tag team gauntlet matches were fun. And yes the New Day's promo to start smackdown was really good, even if Vince still seems drained. I would've had the Uso's forfeiting as the last tag team they had to face as this would've really added emotion to everyone wanting Kofi in the main event. And couldn't we also make the argument now (as I'm sure Bryan will next week) that Kofi didn't really earn it himself, he had to have his partners do it for him? I would've preferred he either win his gauntlet or overcome some other stipulation on his own to get the WM match.

phew.

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LetTigerIn
March 27th, 2019, 10:24 AM
It didn't seem like they knew what to do with Asuka as Smackdown Women's Champ anyway, so I didn't see it as some huge mistake. Good match, too.

In general, it continues to appear they have too much talent and no idea what to do with it. Honestly, that's what I thought most during the tag team gauntlet match, anyway.

Also, I agree having that match does not make sense as the vehicle to propel Kofi into WM.

Also, the undercard WM matches are getting way too much run.

ucsdguy1
March 27th, 2019, 11:04 AM
One addendum, appears WWE announced the WM main event is still for the Raw women's title. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Charlotte wins and gets both titles.

TooCool
March 27th, 2019, 12:11 PM
1. I HATE what they just did to Asuke. HATE it. Why even give her the title to begin with? And did she care, as right after her match she was smiling and happy cheering for Kofi backstage? Her aura and any sense of momentum is gone yet again, and she may as well start asking for her release. I also don't like giving Charlotte the title again. Great, so we have champion, champion and Becky at Wrestlemania. I guess when Becky wins she can then pick what title she wants to take? Unless they unify the titles or something. Charlotte could've had a match at Wrestlemania with Asuke and stayed out of the main event (of which I still don't like the triple threat but I guarantee wwe wanted the name FLAIR involved for the first time women would headline a WM), and I still would've hated having her beat Asuke again. You can put her in the women's battle royal, but even if she won it wouldn't make a difference at this point. Remember that time Asuke got Lynch to tap out?

It's an absolute travesty to see what they've done with Asuka. I mean I guess we all saw it coming to be honest once she got the call up. Look at what they did to Nakamura. That has been the problem with their booking. After Asuka won the Smackdown Women's Title they didn't know what to do with her. Too much focus on two Smackdown stars in Becky and Charlotte going after the RAW Women's Title. And the division is kind of thin after that because all you got is Naomi, Mandy Rose, Sonya Deville, Billie Kay, Peyton Royce, Lana, and a unused Nikki Cross. Ridiculous.

I believe Becky is still winning the RAW Women's Title but she'll beat Charlotte. I'm pretty certain that's why they made it a Triple Threat Match as they need to constantly protect the likes of Ronda and Brock even though they don't need "protection". If I had to guess, I have a feeling they decided to put the Smackdown Women's Title on Charlotte because they weren't going to have a Smackdown Women's match anyway at Mania. So this is to remind people that even if Charlotte loses, she goes back to Smackdown as the champ while Becky goes to RAW. This also opens up the idea that Charlotte can take two titles as well. It would be really silly to merge the belts yet again, so they better not do it... not if they want to keep this brand extension going.


It didn't seem like they knew what to do with Asuka as Smackdown Women's Champ anyway, so I didn't see it as some huge mistake. Good match, too.

In general, it continues to appear they have too much talent and no idea what to do with it. Honestly, that's what I thought most during the tag team gauntlet match, anyway.

Also, I agree having that match does not make sense as the vehicle to propel Kofi into WM.

Also, the undercard WM matches are getting way too much run.

The whole story with Kofi is great. It's the idea of what lengths is he willing to go through, along with the New Day to get him a Main Event shot. I still think it makes Vince look like a racist here but in his point of view, he feels that because Kofi is a B+ player, he really doesn't want to give him a title shot no mater what.

Anyway, it is weird to have Xavier and Big E go through a Tag Team Gauntlet and guess what? There's no Tag Team Title matches announced yet for Wrestlemania on either brand. It's like you said, they have so much talent on the roster but don't know how to utilize it. They even have the likes of Primo, Shelton Benjamin, and Sanity become Shane's "security". Talk about wasting talent.

ucsdguy1
March 27th, 2019, 01:36 PM
It's an absolute travesty to see what they've done with Asuka. I mean I guess we all saw it coming to be honest once she got the call up. Look at what they did to Nakamura. That has been the problem with their booking. After Asuka won the Smackdown Women's Title they didn't know what to do with her. Too much focus on two Smackdown stars in Becky and Charlotte going after the RAW Women's Title. And the division is kind of thin after that because all you got is Naomi, Mandy Rose, Sonya Deville, Billie Kay, Peyton Royce, Lana, and a unused Nikki Cross. Ridiculous.

I believe Becky is still winning the RAW Women's Title but she'll beat Charlotte. I'm pretty certain that's why they made it a Triple Threat Match as they need to constantly protect the likes of Ronda and Brock even though they don't need "protection". If I had to guess, I have a feeling they decided to put the Smackdown Women's Title on Charlotte because they weren't going to have a Smackdown Women's match anyway at Mania. So this is to remind people that even if Charlotte loses, she goes back to Smackdown as the champ while Becky goes to RAW. This also opens up the idea that Charlotte can take two titles as well. It would be really silly to merge the belts yet again, so they better not do it... not if they want to keep this brand extension going.


And yet I read this on the rags today that Charlotte beating Asuke was a last minute call from Vince who either (a) felt Charlotte was being treated as a third wheel in the WM match and thought this would give her more credence going into it, or (b) he wants each of the 4 horsewomen to have titles by the end of WM.

B is a load of BS. Last minute call sounds right as they were advertising the fatal 4 way to determine who would face Asuke at WM as late as Monday. He probably feels Charlotte will be the face of Smackdown after Lynch wins and goes to Raw and this will be a fall back plan for her. Either way, load of crap.

CIrvine
March 28th, 2019, 07:47 AM
Since everyone is in a bad mood, let me add.
What happened to Anderson and Gallows?
Did Gallows even tag in?
Did Anderson get any offence in before doing the job?

ucsdguy1
April 2nd, 2019, 09:28 AM
I'm still in a bad mood.

The Raw head into WM show:

- I guess the Rhonda/Flair/Lynch brawl then arrests was about as brutal yet totally comical as you can get? Dumb fun but got the point across. Why in god's name would they put Lynch and Rousey in the backseat of the same vehicle when a perfectly good cop car was right next to it??? I still maintain Flair needs no part in this, and this segment could've easily been just as good between Lynch and Rousey only. What a barn burner interview Stephanie gave to open the. Winner takes all, okay bye bye now take care then Stephanie. (I would've liked if Lynch came out and challenged Flair/Rousey to put their titles up while smirking once they do, but yeah)
- So.....you're telling me with the women headlining WM you don't want that segment to end the show, and instead end with Corbin vs. Mysterio??
- Rollins got the best of Lesnar last night, so he probably loses at WM again right?
- So Finn didn't need the demon when he faced brock lesnar. But he's bringing it back to beat....bobby lashley. YAWN. This was a most non-momentous way to bring back the demon, in a story that no one cares about. In fact, this is the WWE writers so it wouldn't surprise me if Lashley becomes the guy to beat the demon anyway. Because logic.
- Oh how I don't care about the men's battle royal. The best part of Braun last night was Tyler Breeze and EC3 backstage.

Pretty sure I fast forwarded through everything else.

ucsdguy1
April 4th, 2019, 08:34 AM
All that jazz aside, the Takeover card this weekend is stacked. My predictions/thoughts:

Gargano vs. Bay Bay: As much as everyone wanted Gargano to finally beat Ciampa for the title, it's still his time. This will be a great match. Undisputed will no doubt get involved. Gargano will fight through it all and win. The crowd will go bananas. I can't see Johnny losing and going through another "am I good enough" phase. With Ciampa's injury they need a solid top star to stay in NXT. The only way I can see him losing is if they truly want a win over Ciampa down the road to be his crowning moment. But yeah, Gargano should win this one.

Velveteen Dream vs. Matt Riddle: The fans should be raucous for this one. Perfect contrast of Velveteen's athleticism vs. Riddle's stiff shots and submissions. Should be a lot of fun. Riddle is still a bit green in NXT, and it's too soon for Dream to lose his title. Dream will win.

Baszler vs Sane vs Shirai vs Belair: So although the ending to the Belair/Sane match last night was predictable, it was still pretty fun. Shirai holding the title at the end of the melee means she most likely will not win Saturday. I would say if Baszler is truly ready for a main level call up, then Sane or Belair will win. Her co-horts however are definitely not ready. I'll also still say Sane/Shirai need a match with Bayley/Banks for the women's titles a future event, so I'll hold off on either of them. It'll come down to Belair or Baszler. I'll say they extend Baszler's reign just a bit longer until Belair wins the title in a 1 on 1 match.

War Raiders vs. Ricochet/Black: This should be action packed, but War Raiders will retain. Ricochet/Black seem primed to stay on the top level, and are part of the smackdown tag match Sunday night. They don't need the NXT tag titles. This should give war raiders a high quality win as since getting the titles, outside of war games they haven't had much in the way of feuds.

Walter vs. Pete Dunne: I always love me as much Pete Dunne as I can get. I honestly don't know much about Walter from the indies or NXT UK. But he seems like a big deal. I would assume bringing in a name would mean he'll be the one to finally take the UK title from Dunne. However, this should really happen in front of a British crowd for the reaction alone. I'm going to say this ends in either a double countout or some other non-decision so Dunne can retain and set up a rematch in england. Either way, there is going to be some hard, hard slapping and finger crunching in this one. My fear? Walter wins and Dunne is sent to the main level only to become another lost mid-carder.

ucsdguy1
April 5th, 2019, 04:32 PM
I just watched the first match of Takeover at my desk at work (shhhh). I'll watch the rest later tonight, but holy ****!!

ucsdguy1
April 5th, 2019, 09:44 PM
Okay Takeover quick thoughts:

War Raiders/Ricochet & Black: holy god. Brutal, high flying. I mean Ricochet and the Raiders were taking turns doing each others moves! Nobody the raiders size should be able to do cartwheels and flying off top turnbuckles like they did. And nobody's body should contort the way Ricochet sold some of those moves. Black and Ricochet, I mean I hope they rest up and are even able to compete sunday. The bow from the victors and the few minutes left in the ring to a standing ovation (and tears from ricochet) was a very proper send off, fitting for the final match and move permanent to the main roster.

Velveteen Dream/Riddle: I am surprised how much offense Riddle got in. He dominated a large portion of the match. Dream doing hogan's pump up routine might already be my favorite moment of the year. He's got so much charisma and rolling into a winning pin was perfectly velveteen. I thought Riddle was booked about as well as he could've been in losing the match and retains a lot of momentum moving forward. The crowd was super, super into this one, and it delivered. Dream giving Riddle the bro fist at the end was nice, a la Aleister Black finally saying his name out loud.

That was two matches in a row I was out of breath.

Pete Dunne/Walter: well I guess you could say this was about as strong style as it gets. My fingers and chest hurt just from watching it. Not so much the high flying affair (although there were moments), this was just a physically ridiculous battle. Sad to see Dunne finally relinquish the title, and will be very interesting to see where he goes from here.

Women's fatal 4 way: I mean except for the band shirts she wears, I guess I'm just cup half empty when it comes to Baszler. Some pretty satisfying spots in this one. Sane and Shirai pretty much both cost each other the title at times. Belair takes a tapout. That's twice now to Baszler isn't it? Baszler at least seized on her opportunities and got a tapout without direct interference from her friends. I don't see who is going to beat her, unless Belair somehow gets another one on one match.

Gargano/Cole: Funny enough, I thought the crowd was actually mild as this one got going given their noise in earlier matches (solidly split 50/50 though on both guys with a surprising amount of boos for gargano early on; all cheers by the end). Cole's first pin kind of came out of nowhere, as did Gargano's. But once it was sudden death, the match really took off. This had it all. Crazy spots, the dramatic "will he beat the 10 count" moment, overcoming interference from 3 Undisputed members, and about 15 different kickouts. Crowd was pretty nutty as it winded down, and good for Johnny finally getting the title. Credit to Cole too for a great performance. I was very surprised to see Ciampa come out at the end in a very non-heel moment and celebrate with both Gargano and Lerae.

Another incredibly solid ppv of which I'm not sure Wrestlemania comes close.

TooCool
April 6th, 2019, 04:42 PM
Okay Takeover quick thoughts:

War Raiders/Ricochet & Black: holy god. Brutal, high flying. I mean Ricochet and the Raiders were taking turns doing each others moves! Nobody the raiders size should be able to do cartwheels and flying off top turnbuckles like they did. And nobody's body should contort the way Ricochet sold some of those moves. Black and Ricochet, I mean I hope they rest up and are even able to compete sunday. The bow from the victors and the few minutes left in the ring to a standing ovation (and tears from ricochet) was a very proper send off, fitting for the final match and move permanent to the main roster.

Velveteen Dream/Riddle: I am surprised how much offense Riddle got in. He dominated a large portion of the match. Dream doing hogan's pump up routine might already be my favorite moment of the year. He's got so much charisma and rolling into a winning pin was perfectly velveteen. I thought Riddle was booked about as well as he could've been in losing the match and retains a lot of momentum moving forward. The crowd was super, super into this one, and it delivered. Dream giving Riddle the bro fist at the end was nice, a la Aleister Black finally saying his name out loud.

That was two matches in a row I was out of breath.

Pete Dunne/Walter: well I guess you could say this was about as strong style as it gets. My fingers and chest hurt just from watching it. Not so much the high flying affair (although there were moments), this was just a physically ridiculous battle. Sad to see Dunne finally relinquish the title, and will be very interesting to see where he goes from here.

Women's fatal 4 way: I mean except for the band shirts she wears, I guess I'm just cup half empty when it comes to Baszler. Some pretty satisfying spots in this one. Sane and Shirai pretty much both cost each other the title at times. Belair takes a tapout. That's twice now to Baszler isn't it? Baszler at least seized on her opportunities and got a tapout without direct interference from her friends. I don't see who is going to beat her, unless Belair somehow gets another one on one match.

Gargano/Cole: Funny enough, I thought the crowd was actually mild as this one got going given their noise in earlier matches (solidly split 50/50 though on both guys with a surprising amount of boos for gargano early on; all cheers by the end). Cole's first pin kind of came out of nowhere, as did Gargano's. But once it was sudden death, the match really took off. This had it all. Crazy spots, the dramatic "will he beat the 10 count" moment, overcoming interference from 3 Undisputed members, and about 15 different kickouts. Crowd was pretty nutty as it winded down, and good for Johnny finally getting the title. Credit to Cole too for a great performance. I was very surprised to see Ciampa come out at the end in a very non-heel moment and celebrate with both Gargano and Lerae.

Another incredibly solid ppv of which I'm not sure Wrestlemania comes close.

Holy fudge balls! I've been a bad NXT fan again (by not watching the weekly shows too much) so I thought TakeOver was on Saturday. Heck, all day at work yesterday I thought I'll miss TakeOver because I have to be at the stupid Kings game on Saturday night. But then last night at around 10 PM I hit up the dirt sheet websites and there was a link that said "NXT TakeOver New York results" and I'm like "WTF???" So I immediately went to the WWE Network and watched it so I don't get spoiled.

War Raiders vs Ricochet & Black - I think we all knew going in that Ricochet and Black weren't going to win but we knew we were going to get a great match regardless of the outcome. So it was smart of them to put this match first because it's the most predictable one. Crazy to see Ricochet and Black get an insane amount of Tag Title opportunities (all 3 brands) when they should be singles wrestlers. This match was just pure fun and I can't get enough of how agile Hanson is. Love the send off from the crowd and you can tell how emotional Ricochet was.

Velveteen Dream vs Matt Riddle - Great match. This might have been Riddle's best match to date. He sure spits a lot though as he was always foaming at the mouth... o_o. Loved all the submission moves and I kind of like how Velveteen Dream just uses any move in his arsenal. He doesn't care if he's stealing moves and I love it. That submission into a roll up finish was probably the right way to go as far as protecting Riddle.

Pete Dunne vs Walter - I'm with ya. I don't know anything about Walter although his music was pretty cool. I only watched that first episode of NXT UK and unfortunately I don't have much interest in that show because it's just too much wrestling a week. That's where I love WWE's video packages. They do such a great job in catching you up with the story. I wasn't sure how they were going to book this. Do you squash Dunne or not? I had a feeling Walter was probably going to win because they kept talking about how long Dunne has held the UK Title. This match like you said is as about strong style as it gets. Absolutely insane and it looks so painful. If I was a kid and I saw this match back then, I'd be like "Uhh maybe wrestling isn't for me." Either way, great stuff. I wonder how much longer Dunne will stay with the NXT and NXT UK brand... because knowing Vince, he'll ****ing put him on 205 live.

Shayna Baszler vs Bianca Belair vs Io Shirai vs Kairi Sane - Woooo I love Kairi Sane!! But you already knew that. =P This match was above average because it was a little hard to tell a good story and share the spotlight around. The story is that Shayna has to go up against all 3. Yet at the same time, Sane and Shirai were working as a tag team for most of the match. So it felt like it was 2 vs 1 vs 1. I seriously think the right move in the future is to have Sasha Banks and Bayley lose the Women's Tag Titles to Shirai and Sane. This is how you let NXT shine on the main roster as well for those who refuse to watch it at all. In the end, Belair lost the match again so maybe you're right. She'll eventually get it when she gets a singles match down the line.

Johnny Gargano vs Adam Cole (Bay Bay) for the NXT Championship - WHAT A MATCH. I felt like Gargano got a good reaction but Cole got an even better reaction. I just got goosebumps thinking about our NXT experience at Staples Center when everyone got to do the "Adam Cole Bay Bay" in unison. That was so loud and fun. I agree with you about Cole's first pin coming out of nowhere. I wasn't even aware that it was his finishing move? I did like how fast Cole tapped to the Gargano Escape because he didn't want to get hurt even more. Then after that it was just absolutely bonkers. My only complaint was how fast the ref "recovered" from the bump. The whole Super Gargano cheating by kicking out over and over was great too. It wasn't predictable like Super Cena and Reigns where you know they won't lose. For Gargano, every time he looked like he found a way to recover he was constantly shut down by Cole for all those insane near falls. Overall, I'm super happy for Gargano even if it makes the Undisputed Era look a little silly in losing 4 on 1 but I'm okay with it.

Gargano and Ciampa hugging was sweet and I love how every time Gargano celebrated at the stage, that's where Ciampa keeps coming out. I seriously wonder if AEW can be as good as NXT. But for now what an amazing NXT TakeOver yet again. Wrestlemania is going to be ass based on length (7-8 hours at this point). Here's hoping they let Kofi and Becky have their moments.

ucsdguy1
April 7th, 2019, 09:29 PM
I’m mentally drained after what seemed like 6-7 hours. But that was about as “what the hell just happened” an ending to a career changing championship win as I’ve ever seen. I think the crowd (who had zero energy left when it started) is still trying to figure out what just happened.

From the 10 minute here’s Charlotte on a helicopter and red carpet right into rousey’s entrance and Joan jett with that “the **** are they booing” look and Cole losing his voice, I mean geez.

Congrats Becky....I think

LetTigerIn
April 8th, 2019, 09:03 AM
How many more matches left in WrestleMania 35? Is it over yet?

TooCool
April 8th, 2019, 09:52 AM
Last night's WrestleMania was a feel good kind of WrestleMania. This is how the biggest PPV of the year should be, the right payoffs from months of buildup. The total run time was 7 hours and 27 minutes. Though I guess to be fair, the first pre-show match didn't start until like 2:30. So it was just a hair under 7 hours. Here are my thoughts for every match if you care to read it and I'd love to hear more of your thoughts if any of you like to share.

Cruiserweight Title: Buddy Murphy vs Tony Nese - Pretty decent match and I liked that they kept it kind of fast paced. That's how Cruiserweight matches should be after all. I felt like Buddy Murphy lost pretty easily here when he had to go through a lot more to win it from Cedric Alexander. Either way, no complaints. They gave it to the hometown guy in Nese. Unfortunately the Cruiserweight title doesn't mean too much at the moment so go ahead and pass around that belt.

Women's Battle Royal - Kairi Sane was in it! Yay! She... didn't do anything though. :( I was surprised that Lacey Evans wasn't in it either. If she was, she would have been a lock to win it probably. What surprised me most was how fast Ember Moon and Naomi got eliminated. The whole bit with the Riott Squad bugs me because logic is always thrown out the window in these matches. If 3 people are constantly ganging up on one person and throwing them out, why the hell wouldn't everyone just start working together to get them out? At least Sarah Logan got to shine for a bit and was teased to win, only for Carmella to win. The win ultimately means nothing so it didn't matter who won this one.

RAW Tag Title: The Revival vs Curt Hawkins & Zack Ryder - I'm a huge Zack Ryder fan so I'm very disappointed that WWE botched the booking for this one by not hyping it up at all. In fact, it was thrown together at the last minute really. Here we had a great storyline of Hawkins and his 269 match losing streak. They're home in New York so they'll have the fans behind him. So yes, it makes sense to put the titles on Hawkins and Ryder and finally give them their WM moment. But instead, they ignored the losing streak storyline for weeks and they suddenly get a title shot out of nowhere. I mean sure, Hawkins got that rollup of death pin to win it by surprise, so they'll probably drop the titles again tonight on RAW. Either way, it was a nice moment but I felt like if they had a storyline for this, it would have been better...

Men's Battle Royal - So the main focus was obviously Braun and the SNL dudes. Again, there's no logic to this match. While it's obvious that the SNL guys aren't going to take a bump in this match, it makes no sense for Braun to allow them to hide under the ring and not care about them. I wonder how does it feel to be Tyler Breeze to get dressed for this match, only to get thrown out in 2 seconds just because. This battle royal is a little depressing because it goes to show you how badly booked/poorly used most of these guys are. In the end, the right person won even though it means nothing.

Universal Title: Seth Rollins vs Brock Lesnar - I loved that this match went first. I liked how Heyman even said that if they're not the main event, then they sure as hell aren't waiting backstage all night for this. It was silly of Cole and Graves to try and play it off as if Rollins wasn't expecting to have the match now and that he may not be ready. Yet when he came out, he was ready. So that's kind of dumb on the commentary's part. The match itself was okay as there isn't much to say other than Lesnar did the usual heel thing by beating up Rollins before the match officially began. Then Rollins wins after 3 curb stomps. So now Rollins will likely hold it for a short while before dropping it to McIntyre and then McIntyre is dropping it to Reigns by Summerslam.

AJ Styles vs Randy Orton - I was distracted by the fans chanting "We can't see" and to them singing something like "Ohh please turn down the lights". I think Orton was legit upset because he thought the fans were hijacking his match again. But he later apologized on social media when he saw pictures of the blinding lights above the ring saying that people missed a great match because they didn't see 95% of it. I think as far as the match itself, it was underwhelming. From last year's "dream match" between AJ Styles and Shinsuke Nakamura to this year's match that was built up pretty well... I think it fell short of expectations and the match itself was just "okay" to me. I don't think it mattered who won even though Styles got the win. I see both of them entering the Money in the Bank match next month.

Smackdown Tag Title: The Usos vs The Bar vs Rusev & Shinsuke Nakamura vs Ricochet & Aleister Black - Fun match. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I wish these Fatal Four Way Tag matches are Tornado matches. I hate the tagging because in the end it's a cluster**** anyway. It's also stupid because it's No DQ rules yet people obey the tag rules. Doesn't make much sense right? Anyway, the match was fun especially with Cesaro swinging Ricochet and everyone was stupid enough to get hit on the ropes by Sheamus one by one. The Usos winning was no surprise as they're the best tag team on Smackdown. It would have been nice if Ricochet and Aleister Black won but they shouldn't be teaming up anyway. And guess what? Rusev now holds the record for 18 PPV losses in a row. Way to go Vince.

Falls Count Anywhere Match: The Miz vs Shane McMahon - This match might have stole the show in my opinion. I didn't think much of this going in but they went for the big spots. Shane took some nasty bumps too so props to him for that. The finish was odd beausse why does Shane need to win? At least he can brag about being the best in the world even though Miz did most of the damage. Hopefully they're done feuding after this match. But overall, it was lots of fun with a couple of nice holy **** moments.

Women's Tag Title: Beth Phoenix & Natalya vs Nia Jax & Tamina vs The Iiconics vs Sasha Banks & Bayley - This match was okay. It was slow and sloppy but it still told a good story. Beth Phoenix still looks good in the ring although I felt like they were taking it easy on her. Nia Jax and Tamina were not fun to watch. And overall, I'm super happy and surprised that the Iiconics won. Good for them as they're a true tag team.

WWE Title: Daniel Bryan vs Kofi Kingston - This is by far the best match of the night. Daniel Bryan did most of the offense here and it made sense since he's the better technical wrestler. Rowan tried to help but was easily taken out by Woods and Big E. That kind of stuff is fine because they didn't interfere with the match. This was just a feel good moment and it's well deserved. I always did want Kofi to win the Rumble because I didn't ever think he'd get a title opportunity otherwise. He even admits that he credits Woods and Big E for wanting to form the New Day and for Woods to constantly push behind the scenes to get Kofi a World Title opportunity. Plus Kofi knew the spotlight was given to Ali but he was lucky that Ali got hurt. All the stars aligned for him to have this moment. So good for him. I was seriously choked up when he finally won. I don't see a long title reign but I don't care.

US Title: Samoa Joe vs Rey Mysterio - Pointless squash. I think maybe Mysterio is more injured than expected. That's also a huge reason why we never got Andrade vs Mysterio.

Roman Reigns vs Drew McIntyre - Meh, I didn't care about this match. I took the time use the restroom and grab dinner. By the time I was done this match was over. I honestly don't think I'll ever be a Reigns fan.

Elias and John Cena segment - This was a lot of fun. As far as non wrestling segments go, this was well done. Hard to describe it but I loved old school Cena.

No Holds Barred: HHH vs Batista (If HHH loses he has to retire) - Well, we all knew HHH isn't going to retire anytime soon. Especially not with all those matches he has to work in Saudi Arabia for the next few years. This match was meh. I give them props for trying but you can tell they're both old, slow, and out of breath. It went on 10 minutes longer than it needed to. But hey, thanks Batista for working your final match.

Kurt Angle vs Baron Corbin - This match was average too. I think having Corbin win is the right move. He's the one that needs to be pushed moving forward so good on Angle for losing. I didn't feel sad that he's done because I felt like he was done years ago. He'll still be around on TV in some form anyway I'm sure. When Angle was hugging and kissing his wife and all his kids at ringside, where the hell was Jason Jordan??? That small storyline detail would have been hilarious but they didn't do it.

IC Title: Bobby Lashley w/Lio Rush vs Finn Balor - I admit, I forgot about this match until I heard Lashley's music. It was cool to see Demon Balor again even though we still don't know why the "Demon" gets powerful and whatnot. Even Lashley had a little demon inside him with those freaky contact lens. This match wasn't anything special. At least they kept it short and sweet with Demon Balor winning the IC Title again.

RAW and Smackdown Women's Title: Ronda Rousey vs Charlotte Flair vs Becky Lynch - Pretty decent match overall. I wish the finish was a decisive submission by Becky instead of a surprise pinfall. It made the win feel flat as opposed to everyone going nuts for Ronda tapping out. Props to these three women for working their ass off. I just felt like Becky's story lost a lot of steam overall but it was still decent. So what do you do now? Do you have Becky appear on both shows until she drops one title?

Whew.. that was long, just like the PPV. All in all, it was fun. Well done WWE for putting on a good show. It's not great like TakeOver but I think at this point it's not fair to compare TakeOver with any of the main PPVs anyway. I'm looking forward to tonight's RAW as that's usually the only RAW I'll watch all 3 hours of. Thanks for reading!

LetTigerIn
April 8th, 2019, 11:41 AM
FWIW, the whole weekend was pretty good, including the HoF ceremony, except for the fool who tackled Bret.

ucsdguy1
April 12th, 2019, 08:02 AM
more rag sheet stuff

- Big E may be out 6 weeks with an injury (could still be on tv)
- Sasha Banks tried to quit after losing titles at Wrestlemania, but some convinced her to stick it out a bit longer.
- Olivia Jade is devastated by the college cheating scandal (wait what?)

CIrvine
April 16th, 2019, 07:42 AM
Well that sucks. Styles and Andrade on Raw.

ucsdguy1
April 16th, 2019, 02:53 PM
Well that sucks. Styles and Andrade on Raw.

Soooooooo raw and other notes:

1. War Raiders are now called The Viking Experience. HUH????? NXT champ fan favorites to heel random tag team on Raw with a name like the aforementioned. good lord.
2. Zayn's heel rants are quite good. It's too bad he's not a face at the moment however as crowds have been going insane for him (3 repetitions of crowd singing his theme last night was awesome, until he ripped them apart)
3. Luke Harper has requested his release. Chalk up another one.
4. So Sanity was once a thing..

TooCool
April 16th, 2019, 06:25 PM
Kairi Sane on Smackdown!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!

CIrvine
April 17th, 2019, 11:26 PM
Kairi Sane on Smackdown!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!
Roman Reigns on Smackdown! BOO!

ucsdguy1
April 19th, 2019, 09:52 AM
This is already better than half the stuff they've put on tv lately

https://twitter.com/Sheltyb803/status/1113283693374787584

https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2019/4/18/18485697/video-nikki-cross-shelton-benjamins-online-feud-wwe

TooCool
April 22nd, 2019, 09:48 AM
So here are my late thoughts on the Superstar Shakeup...

Full list as follows.

RAW

AJ Styles - He'll be missed on Smackdown but he's done everything he needed to do there. Now he can have matches with McIntyre, Lashley, Corbin, Rollins and he'll be the Universal Champ sooner or later.

The Miz - If they keep him as a face he can face guys like Roode and EC3 (if they use him properly). Or hell, reunite the B Team with him.

Ricochet & Aleister Black - The sky is the limit for these two. Break up the Tag Team and let them shine as singles. If you refuse to break them up for the time being, having them win the RAW Tag Titles won't hurt.

Erik & Ivar - I don't think I'll ever get over how stupid "The Viking Experience" sounds. What they need to do is allow Ivar (Hanson) be agile like he was in NXT. That was the unique part about him that made him really stand out. I really hope they book these guys well because we know how incompetent the writing/booking staff is on the main roster. I fear they'll become the Acension 2.0 in a hurry.

Andrade - Fresh faces for him to wrestle on RAW but he needs to be allowed to win matches from here on out. I felt that he lost too many matches on Smackdown even though they were good matches.

Zelina Vega - No surprise she was put here with Andrade. At least WWE is nice enough to keep the married couple of her and Aleister together. Can't say the same for Charlotte though (who is dating Andrade lol)

Rey Mysterio - Maybe he'll still get his major feud with Andrade here. Or he can wrestle other dudes and put them over.

Jimmy & Jey Uso - RAW's Tag Division gets some much needed help. I look forward to their matches with The Revival, Viking Experience, AOP (when one of them gets healthy, forgot who was injured) and whatever other tag teams they haven't faced yet.

Naomi - Nice of them to move her here with Jimmy as well. I don't know who she can feud with here as the Women's Division on RAW is extremely weak. I guess Alexa Bliss? Dana Brooke?

EC3 - One of the most poorly booked superstar in recent memory. He must have really pissed Vince off by being successful in TNA. So he's "paying his dues" by being the biggest jobber ever.

Lacey Evans - She's going to feud with Becky for a month or two and lose.

Eric Young - RIP Sanity. Here's hoping he gets used or he'll just be in catering on RAW just like he was on Smackdown.

Cedric Alexander - So are they doing "call ups" from 205 Live now too? Nothing wrong with that but it's just a little odd to me. I can see him putting on some good matches just like Ali on Smackdown. But we've seen Cedric on RAW before when the Cruiserweights were there. His character needs some personality.

Samoa Joe - I'm adding him here even though he hasn't been officially "drafted" on RAW. But it only makes sense since Balor is on Smackdown. It's crazy though to see all these TNA stars on RAW. Makes you wonder if it's intentional.

Smackdown

Roman Reigns - Welp, he's going to beat Kofi for the WWE Title eventually. Maybe they can have him feud with Orton, Rusev, Nakamura, or even Killian Dain before he's thrust back in the main event scene.

Finn B?lor - He'll definitely be wrestling fresh faces in Ali and Buddy Murphy. I'd love it if he got to face Shinsuke Nakamura again too.

Elias - Will Elias finally do something meaningful now? His singing and getting interrupted gimmick will only take him so far. And that's because they always have too much time to kill on RAW. Here on Smackdown, his segments should be under 5 minutes or something.

Bayley - Great to see Bayley finally put on the same brand with her real life bestie in Carmella. The Smackdown Women's Division is stacked. I can see her winning the Smackdown Women's Title soon enough because Becky won't hold two of them for long.

Ember Moon - Great opportunity for Ember Moon here as well with lots of competition.

Kairi Sane - As you already know I'm stoked she's on the Blue Brand. Having Paige manage her and Asuka is the way to go since we all know how Vince feels about Asians who don't speak English well. At least Paige can help in that department.

Lars Sullivan - They had no clue what they wanted to do with Lars. First they said he was on RAW, then he's on Smackdown. Hopefully they give him a meaningful feud quickly but I can see them go the predictable route in having Lars squash 2-3 jobbers every week for a few months. =\

Buddy Murphy - Now that Buddy is "promoted" to Smackdown Live, he's going to get the Ali treatment for sure. Should be great if they give him matches to wrestle in and if he's on the PPV maybe he finally won't be on the pre-show anymore.

Liv Morgan - They must think highly of her to split her from the Riott Squad. She didn't really stand out too much in NXT when she was alone but she wasn't too bad in the ring. She might get lost in the shuffle here unless they pair her up with Mandy Rose and Sonya Deville or something.

Chad Gable - Good ol' Gable, back on Smackdown. If I had a say in it, I'd reunite him with Shelton Benjamin. Otherwise I don't see them using him properly as usual.

Apollo Crews - After all these years, Apollo Crews is still the same boring character. I don't see anything special happening for him.

Mickie James - Poor Mickie. Another veteran who will continue to be misused and will only be around to put over other wrestlers I'm sure.

Otis & Tucker - I'm sure these two will eventually hold the Smackdown Tag Titles provided that the crowd stays into their gimmick with Otis doing the Caterpillar.

That's all I got. RAW's Tag Team Division improved quite a bit and their Main Event scene looks a bit better as long as Brock stays far away from the Universal Title. Meanwhile on Smackdown, they got a really strong mid-card scene with an extremely stacked Women's Division. All without sacrificing their main event and tag team division. At least the shakeup is more balanced this time around.

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And in spoilerish news, Alexander Wolfe is now on the NXT UK brand. So Killian Dane is left all alone on Smackdown.

TooCool
April 22nd, 2019, 02:41 PM
According to the dirt sheets, a few more superstars were moved around which clearly shows that WWE has no idea what they're doing.

Andrade and Zelina Vega are moving back to Smackdown. Aleister Black is moving there too since he's married to Zelina.

Cesaro is apparently shipped to RAW which breaks up The Bar. And of course Samoa Joe is expected to be on RAW as well.

The Viking Experience is now called Viking Raiders so it looks like they're listening to the fans somewhat.

ucsdguy1
April 22nd, 2019, 03:18 PM
According to the dirt sheets, a few more superstars were moved around which clearly shows that WWE has no idea what they're doing.

Andrade and Zelina Vega are moving back to Smackdown. Aleister Black is moving there too since he's married to Zelina.

Cesaro is apparently shipped to RAW which breaks up The Bar. And of course Samoa Joe is expected to be on RAW as well.

The Viking Experience is now called Viking Raiders so it looks like they're listening to the fans somewhat.

My head hurts

ucsdguy1
April 22nd, 2019, 04:07 PM
Also per above, I have zero confidence Bayley will ever do anything of note, let alone hold the women's title. She may have had the tag titles with Sasha (we saw how long that lasted) but they just haven't promoted her for anything of note really.

Maybe they can throw some face paint on her and make her part of the Nordic War Viking Saga Destroyer Raiders

ucsdguy1
April 22nd, 2019, 07:48 PM
Well Ricochet’s sure off to a good singles start!

ucsdguy1
April 24th, 2019, 08:24 AM
So here are my late thoughts on the Superstar Shakeup...


Bayley - Great to see Bayley finally put on the same brand with her real life bestie in Carmella. The Smackdown Women's Division is stacked. I can see her winning the Smackdown Women's Title soon enough because Becky won't hold two of them for long.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. So last night might have been a perfect time for Bayley to you know, actually do something. Maybe get in the title picture. Nope, we get Charlotte vs. Lynch again. Yawn. And while I think it would move Becky's character to win two matches per ppv for awhile and really build her cache, I don't think for a second they won't have Charlotte beat her at Mitb and have Lynch be a Raw champ only.

I think just about the whole word expected Owens to go heel at some point. And surely he'll blame Kofi for stealing his spotlight and keeping him off the WM card. But damn if I didn't like him as a face talk-show host/honorary member of new day/guy who "now knows what he's fighting for". I mean come on the fans were eating him up. This could've been stretched out a lot longer, and there has to be someone else Kofi could've feuded with first. We'll see how much stock they have in Kofi as to whether he loses the title or Owens just becomes another mid-carder.

Other parts to last night:
Sullivan beats up more people who lose additional credibility. Yawn.
Reigns vs. Elias/McMahon. Kind of yawn. Been there done that.
Iconics lose in a singles match yet again - is this for comedic effect given they're still tag champs. As much as I appreciate them, is this really better than Bayley/Sasha defending on all brands?
Balor/Andrade - good match and potential but wait for it.....Andrade loses cleanly again!

I fast forwarded through more than I ever have the past two months. get off my lawn.

[apparently some people agree as Raw evidently had the lowest ratings in a long, long time monday night].

TooCool
April 24th, 2019, 12:24 PM
Riiiiiiiiiiight. So last night might have been a perfect time for Bayley to you know, actually do something. Maybe get in the title picture. Nope, we get Charlotte vs. Lynch again. Yawn. And while I think it would move Becky's character to win two matches per ppv for awhile and really build her cache, I don't think for a second they won't have Charlotte beat her at Mitb and have Lynch be a Raw champ only.

I think just about the whole word expected Owens to go heel at some point. And surely he'll blame Kofi for stealing his spotlight and keeping him off the WM card. But damn if I didn't like him as a face talk-show host/honorary member of new day/guy who "now knows what he's fighting for". I mean come on the fans were eating him up. This could've been stretched out a lot longer, and there has to be someone else Kofi could've feuded with first. We'll see how much stock they have in Kofi as to whether he loses the title or Owens just becomes another mid-carder.

Other parts to last night:
Sullivan beats up more people who lose additional credibility. Yawn.
Reigns vs. Elias/McMahon. Kind of yawn. Been there done that.
Iconics lose in a singles match yet again - is this for comedic effect given they're still tag champs. As much as I appreciate them, is this really better than Bayley/Sasha defending on all brands?
Balor/Andrade - good match and potential but wait for it.....Andrade loses cleanly again!

I fast forwarded through more than I ever have the past two months. get off my lawn.

[apparently some people agree as Raw evidently had the lowest ratings in a long, long time monday night].

Becky should definitely win both of her matches at MITB. It would be kind of silly to do the two belts thing only to drop one (or two) immediately during her first title defense. What should happen though is that the Women's MITB winner should cash it in and win the title on the same night. That way Becky has the excuse that she only lost 1 of the title because it was her 3rd match.

I didn't mind Bayley losing to Charlotte to be honest. Like we stated above, it's probably better to have Becky beat Charlotte again at the PPV, rather than having her beat Bayley. Then in the future Bayley can beat Charlotte for the title or something. This also allows Bayley to remind Becky in the future that she still hasn't beat her.

I'm with you on the Owens thing. It would have been nice to see him drag out his fake face run longer while Big E is out. We all saw the heel turn coming but for it to happen after 1 week? It just feels rushed for no reason. If anything it makes Kofi and Woods look really dumb for trusting someone like Owens who has a history of betrayal (Zayn and Jericho for example). That's why they should have at least kept the New New Day for at least 2 weeks longer. Oh well.

Speaking of selective memory. I laughed at Shane's promo when he talked about Roman attacking his dad. It's like he totally forgot he attacked Miz's dad just weeks before. Good ol' WWE writing team. The Elias vs Roman thing is definitely meh to me as it feels like a RAW storyline carried over to Smackdown.

Lars beating up Gable.. meh. Not exactly the kind of "re-debut" you want to give him. Now Jinder, Samir, and Sunil are suddenly back on Smackdown? Okay then. One thing about the Lars beat down is that at least R-Truth is the only one coming out to fight back. What happened to everyone else?

Iiconics were booked as a joke before the Tag Titles and are now still being booked as a joke with the Tag Titles. Very odd but hey, Kairi Sane got to shine for a bit. Maybe they should quickly put it on Kairi and Asuka. Then you can have them defend it on RAW and NXT.

And finally for Balor/Andrade I can see why Andrade lost. This is just your typical 50/50 booking since Andrade did beat Balor on RAW last week when he was "drafted" there.

LetTigerIn
April 24th, 2019, 12:50 PM
Speaking of selective memory. I laughed at Shane's promo when he talked about Roman attacking his dad. It's like he totally forgot he attacked Miz's dad just weeks before. Good ol' WWE writing team.



So you're saying there's a writing team?

TooCool
April 24th, 2019, 01:00 PM
So you're saying there's a writing team?

Yep! A quick Google search shows an exclusive behind the scenes picture of them.

https://www.kayfabenews.com/files/2015/12/Monkeys-wwe.jpg

ucsdguy1
April 24th, 2019, 01:15 PM
Becky should definitely win both of her matches at MITB. It would be kind of silly to do the two belts thing only to drop one (or two) immediately during her first title defense. What should happen though is that the Women's MITB winner should cash it in and win the title on the same night. That way Becky has the excuse that she only lost 1 of the title because it was her 3rd match.

I didn't mind Bayley losing to Charlotte to be honest. Like we stated above, it's probably better to have Becky beat Charlotte again at the PPV, rather than having her beat Bayley. Then in the future Bayley can beat Charlotte for the title or something. This also allows Bayley to remind Becky in the future that she still hasn't beat her.

Iiconics were booked as a joke before the Tag Titles and are now still being booked as a joke with the Tag Titles. Very odd but hey, Kairi Sane got to shine for a bit. Maybe they should quickly put it on Kairi and Asuka. Then you can have them defend it on RAW and NXT.


I'm going to hold you to this when Charlotte beats Becky at mitb :) If Bayley wanted to remind Becky she still hasn't beaten her, and Charlotte loses sunday, can't becky just come right back and say "Uh, you can't even beat Charlotte and I do that repeatedly". If Bayley was getting said push, I would have liked to see her beat any of her fellow female wrestlers en route, then go after Charlotte or Becky as champ without having been cleanly pinned by either. I still feel she'll be buried.

Looks like they're setting up Kairi/Asuke to possibly feud with Rose/Deville first, which is fine considering Paige used to manage them. I don't see any possible way shape or form the iconics could realistically beat Kaire/Asuke, but seeing what they've done to Asuke it wouldn't surprise me.

LetTigerIn
April 24th, 2019, 02:49 PM
Just have Bayley interfere with the match at MitB and cost Charlotte. Spark a feud between Charlotte and Bayley with Becky keeping both belts. Lets Becky feud with someone else and keeps people from wondering why Bayley and Charlotte aren't in the picture.

Iiconics should probably be given a fairly long run with the title (not saying they will, just that they should). Do it exactly like they did with Mella's run with the title. Should be the same long-term result, too. FWIW, Iiconics always make me laugh with their promos.

ucsdguy1
April 24th, 2019, 04:29 PM
Raw coming back to Staples in June. I might not make this one. (but how could I want to miss the "all mighty bobby lashley"??)

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TooCool
May 1st, 2019, 12:02 PM
So the next PPV is Money in the Bank. That should be fun.

I kind of don't like that none of these wrestlers need to qualify to be in the match. Without any GMs, it's silly to just kind of hear them being announced for it randomly. And Shane is in two feuds?? On RAW with Miz and Smackdown with Roman? Super.

I caught the Styles/Rollins promo and I'm getting a heel AJ Styles vibe. Not sure he really needs to turn heel but whatever works.

As for Smackdown real quick, their Tag Team Division is in absolute shambles with Jeff Hardy needing surgery. And they also moved The Goodbrothers to RAW for no reason. So now Smackdown only have Heavy Machinery, B Team, Rusev & Nakamura, and The Colons??? Yikes.

And have you guys seen the new Dean Ambrose video he posted on Twitter just hours after his contract officially expired?

https://twitter.com/JonMoxley/status/1123438186410205184

Lots of signs leading to AEW but at the same time a lot of people feel like it's a work. Especially since WWE gave him the whole farewell tour and whatnot. There's just no way they'd do all that for somebody who is going to a rival company. He's probably just getting repackaged or something. Either way, at least this is the most intriguing thing right now for either company. I personally think the video is pretty high quality, like WWE style quality. There's no way AEW could help him make that while he was under contract right?

ucsdguy1
May 2nd, 2019, 08:53 AM
So the next PPV is Money in the Bank. That should be fun.

I kind of don't like that none of these wrestlers need to qualify to be in the match. Without any GMs, it's silly to just kind of hear them being announced for it randomly. And Shane is in two feuds?? On RAW with Miz and Smackdown with Roman? Super.

I caught the Styles/Rollins promo and I'm getting a heel AJ Styles vibe. Not sure he really needs to turn heel but whatever works.

As for Smackdown real quick, their Tag Team Division is in absolute shambles with Jeff Hardy needing surgery. And they also moved The Goodbrothers to RAW for no reason. So now Smackdown only have Heavy Machinery, B Team, Rusev & Nakamura, and The Colons??? Yikes.

And have you guys seen the new Dean Ambrose video he posted on Twitter just hours after his contract officially expired?

https://twitter.com/JonMoxley/status/1123438186410205184

Lots of signs leading to AEW but at the same time a lot of people feel like it's a work. Especially since WWE gave him the whole farewell tour and whatnot. There's just no way they'd do all that for somebody who is going to a rival company. He's probably just getting repackaged or something. Either way, at least this is the most intriguing thing right now for either company. I personally think the video is pretty high quality, like WWE style quality. There's no way AEW could help him make that while he was under contract right?
I thought the same thing. Too soon and too polished. wwe would not give an entire special to someone going to an opposite promotion, unless Rollins and Reigns walked in and said we're doing this (even then vince would've probably squashed it).

No way Rollins loses his title this quickly. Kofi on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Owens took it, because it's wwe.

The best thing going on wwe tv right now is Wyatt's Pee Wee's Playhouse show, but I'm sure that won't last when he actually steps in a ring again.

nxt was kind of dare I say, boring last night. I guess because Forgotten Sons and Dijakovic do absolutely nothing for me. Not even Dream can save that one. Kushida has potential, but if Itami couldn't make any headway who's to say Kushida will?

LetTigerIn
May 2nd, 2019, 10:10 AM
I don't think WWE would have allowed the blood in the Moxley vignette, but, who knows, they might be trying to push it to the edge right now?

Apparently, there is already backlash from the Bray vignettes, so it will be interesting to see how WWE treads from here on.

ucsdguy1
May 2nd, 2019, 10:19 AM
Apparently, there is already backlash from the Bray vignettes, so it will be interesting to see how WWE treads from here on.

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TooCool
May 6th, 2019, 02:16 PM
Man, it's the same old story every time.

RAW received insanely low ratings last week against no competition (maybe the NBA playoffs?) and Vince is hitting the panic button by having Roman Reigns kick off RAW tonight. Daniel Bryan and other Smackdown superstars will appear too because what brand split?

It's going to suck for whoever has to defend their title tonight. I'm sure for "shock factor" reasons, they're going to change hands.

LetTigerIn
May 6th, 2019, 03:31 PM
Man, it's the same old story every time.

RAW received insanely low ratings last week against no competition (maybe the NBA playoffs?) and Vince is hitting the panic button by having Roman Reigns kick off RAW tonight. Daniel Bryan and other Smackdown superstars will appear too because what brand split?

It's going to suck for whoever has to defend their title tonight. I'm sure for "shock factor" reasons, they're going to change hands.


Next week: Stone Cold and The Rock

ucsdguy1
May 6th, 2019, 05:13 PM
Because it's in my hood, and because Jericho and Omega keep showing up at random indie shows/who knows what will happen, I'm tempted to check this out...

June 16
Canyon Club - Agoura Hills
https://wheremusicmeetsthesoul.com/wp-content/uploads/Canyon_Banner_New_CWFH.jpg

Championship Wrestling from Hollywood (CWFH) is an American professional wrestling promotion and television program. Top independent professional wrestling action from Hollywood showcasing the likes of Nick Aldis, Tim Storm and Joey Ryan, NWA and many more!

Tonight’s event is hosted by Comedian Taylor Williamson”.

Main Event Triple Threat Match:
WATTS vs Eli Drake vs Scorpio Sky

Mixed Tag Team Match:
Heather Monroe and Ty Matthews vs Ayoka and Super Beetle

United Tag Team Title match:
Reno Scum (c) vs Fidel Bravo and Pinx

Andy Brown defends the Hollywood Heritage Championship (Challenger to be announced)

(All Wrestlers Performing)
Reno Scum, Scorpio Sky, Eli Drake, Andy Brown, Watts, BHK, Fidel Bravo, Pinx, Ayoka, Adrian Quest, Super Beetle, Heather Monroe & Peter Avalon.

ucsdguy1
May 7th, 2019, 11:14 AM
I'm totally confused on much of what went on last night, other than knowing that the Usos/Revival segment deserved an F-.

TooCool
May 7th, 2019, 12:21 PM
I'm totally confused on much of what went on last night, other than knowing that the Usos/Revival segment deserved an F-.

I read the results and RAW was pretty terrible again. Also, it was dumb to do Daniel Bryan vs Kofi Kingston for the WWE Title as well. I mean... you couldn't have done that tonight on Smackdown instead? Why have a Smackdown match on RAW?

And I'm sure that Usos/Revival segment had Vince laughing nonstop backstage.

ucsdguy1
May 7th, 2019, 12:27 PM
apparently tv execs freaking out and wanted stars on both shows. and yes it was.

According to wwe:

Here are the rules of the “Wild Card Rule”:

A limited number of Superstars from Raw or SmackDown can be invited to cross brand lines for one-night-only appearances.
Unauthorized jumps will be penalized by fines or even potential firing.
The Women’s Tag Team champions are exempt because that title is “free-floating”.
Becky Lynch is exempt as long as she holds both the Raw and SmackDown Women’s championships.


sheesh

LetTigerIn
May 7th, 2019, 01:27 PM
apparently tv execs freaking out and wanted stars on both shows. and yes it was.

According to wwe:

Here are the rules of the “Wild Card Rule”:

A limited number of Superstars from Raw or SmackDown can be invited to cross brand lines for one-night-only appearances.
Unauthorized jumps will be penalized by fines or even potential firing.
The Women’s Tag Team champions are exempt because that title is “free-floating”.
Becky Lynch is exempt as long as she holds both the Raw and SmackDown Women’s championships.


sheesh

That's going to be fun when Fox gets Smackdown

ucsdguy1
May 7th, 2019, 01:48 PM
That's going to be fun when Fox gets Smackdown

By that point they'll have changed everything on the fly again anyway

CIrvine
May 7th, 2019, 08:39 PM
Because it's in my hood, and because Jericho and Omega keep showing up at random indie shows/who knows what will happen, I'm tempted to check this out...

June 16
Canyon Club - Agoura Hills
https://wheremusicmeetsthesoul.com/wp-content/uploads/Canyon_Banner_New_CWFH.jpg

Championship Wrestling from Hollywood (CWFH) is an American professional wrestling promotion and television program. Top independent professional wrestling action from Hollywood showcasing the likes of Nick Aldis, Tim Storm and Joey Ryan, NWA and many more!

Tonight’s event is hosted by Comedian Taylor Williamson”.

Main Event Triple Threat Match:
WATTS vs Eli Drake vs Scorpio Sky

Mixed Tag Team Match:
Heather Monroe and Ty Matthews vs Ayoka and Super Beetle

United Tag Team Title match:
Reno Scum (c) vs Fidel Bravo and Pinx

Andy Brown defends the Hollywood Heritage Championship (Challenger to be announced)

(All Wrestlers Performing)
Reno Scum, Scorpio Sky, Eli Drake, Andy Brown, Watts, BHK, Fidel Bravo, Pinx, Ayoka, Adrian Quest, Super Beetle, Heather Monroe & Peter Avalon.
Where's Bad Dude Tito?

ucsdguy1
May 9th, 2019, 08:24 AM
Cole/Strong was wildly fun last night. Both guys were selling like crazy. They obviously are teasing the Undisputed breakup more and more. I wish Roderick would've cost the match in some way other than having Cole cleanly tap out. Strong didn't even really cost Cole the match, but he didn't see it that way. I guess this is part of the story too. But good win for Riddle nonetheless.

So much better (and easier to watch) than most of smackdown/raw.

ucsdguy1
May 14th, 2019, 02:03 PM
So.....good for Nikki Cross getting some time and a victory, even if her "crazy" persona was kind of gone. Even though the gullible sidekick has been done before, I figure Bliss will manipulate her into being useful for awhile before she realizes it and goes nuts on her. That could work.

How about that Ricochet momentum! (In reality they should've ended this the exact opposite way of how it was booked. Let Ricochet get the win then take a cheap shot off the ladder from Corbin. Corbin would've been in the final segment anyway)

I get Zayn worming his way into the Mitb match, but what does this do for Strowman yet again? And how many times can we see Corbin/McYntire double up on someone again? I assume Strowman will show up to wreak havoc at mitb. Somehow I can see a lot of carnage but Zayn finding his way to winning the match. His holding the briefcase would be an excellent way for him to continue bloating his a-hole character.

That Bray Wyatt thing....I mean...

LetTigerIn
May 15th, 2019, 08:45 AM
I've decided Ultimate Warrior must somehow from beyond be helping Aleister Black write his promos.

ucsdguy1
May 15th, 2019, 09:53 AM
Once again I was bored by a lot of stuff...

Sorry Elias/Shane v Reigns is just not doing anything much for me. Zayn/Owens together again as heels just seems like a re-hash. At least it was nice to see Andrade get a win (which probably means he won't at mitb). Ricochet coming out to "best" him after the match didn't do much considering he just lost cleanly the night before.

One other note - Asuke/Sane vs Rose/Deville: I mean if Asuke/Sane are supposed to be this new blinding tag team, shouldn't they have a crushed the other two? I get they're still teasing the Deville/Rose breakup, but it took a sneaky rollup for Asuke on the verge of losing to win? Oh and the "Kabuki Warriors" name.......I mean hey they're quite an "experience"...

Mitb has a pretty stacked card and I should be more excited for it than I am. So short and not so excited predictions:

Zayn/Ricochet/McIntyre/Corbin/Ali/Balor/Andrade/Orton Men's mitb: probably a lot of high flying from Ricochet and some sweet moves from Balor/Andrade/Zayn. I'm going to say Zayn figures out a way to sneak in the victory. He may be good teasing the briefcase cash ins for months. Secondary pick would be McIntyre so he does something. Other than Zayn though I don't see anyone I'd truly be interested in winning. Wild prediction: All the lights go off, then back on with all competitors knocked out in the ring with a standing Bray Wyatt in the middle, before they go off and he disappears. We then learn Zayn was hiding and he climbs up to win the match.

Owens/Kingston: Kingston wins. Too early for them to take the title off him. I also think it would be interesting if Zayn now had the briefcase to tease going after Kingston, and whether Owens would then have to help him. (This is predicated on the fact that I already forgot who is on who's brand and how the wild card works)

Rollins/Styles – I’m hoping this match gets a significant amount of time, as it could be really good. Rollins will win as again too soon for him to give up the title.

Lynch/Evans and Lynch/Flair: I’m not sure which match goes first, which could dictate the outcome if Lynch doesn’t win both. If Evans goes first, she loses but gives Lynch a run for her money. A tired Becky just doesn’t have quite enough to handle Flair who wins and gloats of beating “the man”. If Flair goes first, Lynch will beat her and potentially be battered down hard, to which Evans can take quick advantage and win that title. Either way Lynch can go on the attack. Of course all that being said, Lynch will probably win both matches.

Naomi/Natalya/Brooke/Bayley/Rose/Moon/Bliss/Carmella: I’d love to see Bayley win. But it won’t happen. Moon would be deserving but there’s no storyline in place for anyone to care that she has the briefcase. I’d love to see Carmella win if only it gets us more R Truth. No one else I care too much about. I’ll say Bliss somehow gets Nikki Cross to interfere and helps her win. She holds the briefcase and continues that manipulation story.

Miz/Shane steel cage match: I’ll say Miz finally gets his vengeance and we can move past this storyline.

Joe/Mysterio: Joe will win this one.

Reigns/Elias: This match doesn’t even seem necessary for this card. Elias will once again lose. Maybe we’ll get lucky and Reigns can move onto a feud with baron corbin! (editor's note: Reigns seems to be the main star of both brands now. He is being over-exposed and will probably start getting booed again soon enough.

Daivari/Nese: I am completely out of touch with the cruiserweights and have no idea who will win this.

Bryan & Rowan/Usos: wow so Daniel Bryan and the Usos are being relegated to a kickoff match. Who would’ve thought. Bryan and Rowan will win this one.

Don't recall, but have they announced a women's tag team title match? even on the kickoff show? Way to make those titles mean something.


EDIT: One more note - I'm down with Marty McFly Kushida (or in my mind a smaller framed masato tanaka)

ucsdguy1
May 16th, 2019, 09:56 AM
Okay nevermind Bliss just got pulled from mitb due to injury. I would assume Cross will replace her.


Alexa Bliss not medically cleared to compete at WWE Money in the Bank
Alexa Bliss is not medically cleared to compete at WWE Money in the Bank this Sunday, and has been removed from the Women's Money in the Bank Ladder Match. A suitable replacement for Alexa will be announced.

Stay with WWE.com for more on this developing story.

LetTigerIn
May 16th, 2019, 10:08 AM
Ric Flair Hospitalized After 'Very Serious' Medical Emergency (https://www.tmz.com/2019/05/16/ric-flair-hospitalized-medical-emergency/)

TooCool
May 17th, 2019, 07:26 AM
Thanks for posting your thoughts ucsd. I haven't been watching too much WWE lately, just reading the results and watching like 1-2 Youtube clips.

I have to say, I'm not too pleased with this stupid Wild Card rule. It's Vince's desperate attempt to get Roman on both shows really. The biggest bummer of all is that Smackdown only has 2 hours to work with and a lot of their guys already can't get TV time. Now you have to squeeze in 4 RAW superstars per week to get some of that air time? That's just not smart.

As for Money in the Bank, I'll definitely watch it because those ladder matches can be quite fun. But I have no excitement for it going in. =[

Also, RIP to Ashley Massaro. 39 is too young. I'm sure her biggest highlights were winning the Diva Search and posing for Playboy. Regardless, I did feel like she was a part in WWE's success as far as the Diva stuff goes.

TooCool
May 20th, 2019, 09:33 AM
I didn't feel like watching Money in the Bank yesterday but I did it anyway. Overall, it was slightly above average. It was just an overbooked mess though in my opinion.

Usos vs Daniel Bryan & Rowan - Like you already mentioned.. they put Daniel Bryan, someone who was recently a former WWE Champion on the freaking pre-show in the next PPV. Yikes. I thought this was for the Smackdown tag titles but when it wasn't, I had a feeling the Usos would win. That's just Vince's way of giving a team "momentum" moving forward. Still makes no sense for a RAW team to even have a title shot against a Smackdown team. This wild card rule is stupid. If The Usos win the Smackdown tag titles, they should at least explain that they're back on Smackdown. But they don't explain anything.

Women's Money in the Bank Ladder Match: Naomi vs Carmella vs Nikki Cross vs Dana Brooke vs Natalya vs Ember Moon vs Mandy Rose vs Bayley - This was okay. Nothing really stood out other than the fact that they decided to fake a Carmella injury. Perhaps it builds to Mandy Rose vs Carmella and it gives Carmella a good excuse for not winning the match a 3rd time. The biggest "holy ****" spot was Ember Moon's Eclipse off the ladder at ringside onto Nattie I believe in the ring. No one else stood out. Bayley won in the end by shoving Sonya Deville and Mandy Rose off the ladder. At least the crowd popped big for it.

US Title Match: Samoa Joe vs Rey Mysterio - After their entrances I went to the bathroom and then went to get chips and a drink. I came back and apparently Rey already won the US Title. Okay then... lol. Rey is now a Grand Slam champion.

Steel Cage Match: Miz vs Shane - Ahh good ol' Shane. Wrestling another damn PPV because he loves being in the spotlight like any other McMahon. But surely he loses to Miz here right to end the feud? Nah, he wins again. The match itself wasn't great. It was slow and the ref also screwed up with a rope break but at least Cole called him out on it.

Cruiserweight Title Match: Tony Nese vs Ariya Daivari - Wow, this match wasn't on the pre-show? Is Vince okay? I don't watch 205 live as I'm sure most people don't as well. It's just too much wrestling in a week. So needless to say, I didn't really watch this match because I didn't care. Nese retained so good for him.

RAW Women's Title Match: Becky Lynch vs Lacey Evans - Yikes... this match was not really good. I remember Lacey Evans being a little rough around the edges in her NXT days. She's no where near ready for a main roster run, yet she has a title shot on a PPV already. Being a tall hot blonde sure has its advantages doesn't it? Becky retains without too much issue here.

Smackdown Women's Title Match: Becky Lynch vs Charlotte Flair - The story behind this is that Becky was expecting to go to the back and that this match wasn't suppose to happen immediately after Becky's first match. I think this match was a little better but because we've seen them go at it for the hundredth time, it was just kind of there. Lacey interfered and gave Becky the Women's Right and Charlotte won with a boot to be the 9 time Women's Champ. (She's going to pass her dad soon.)

After the match Becky went after Lacey and then Charlotte helped Lacey and double teamed Becky. Bayley made the save and dispatched Lacey Evans. Charlotte for whatever reason wanted to take out Bayley and it backfired so Bayley cashed in the contract.

Smackdown Women's Title Match: Charlotte vs Bayley - Going by WWE logic, they do whatever is convenient so this time the ref didn't wait for Charlotte to get up before starting the match. So Bayley just hit the Macho man elbow drop and covered her to win. Bayley is now also the 1st ever Women's Grand Slam champion as she has now held the RAW and Smackdown Women's Title, NXT Women's Title, and Women's Tag Team Titles. Good for her. Funny how they keep mentioning Sasha Banks though because she's on "vacation".

Roman Reigns vs Elias - So Elias hit Roman with a guitar backstage. Comes out to sign his song and then loses in 2 seconds. Perfect. At least they didn't make us sit through a pointless 10 minute match.

Universal Title Match: Seth Rollins vs AJ Styles - Wow, the Universal Title match came before the WWE Title match for the 2nd PPV in a row? I'm shocked. This match also quietly stole the show. You know how they kept hyping Styles/Nakamura and Styles/Bryan as a dream match? And then I felt those two kind of under delivered. So I more or less expected the same here but was pleasantly surprised at how great it was. The only downside was that everyone knew Styles wouldn't win and he didn't. But besides that predictable result the match was excellent.

Lars Sullivan vs Lucha House Party segment - They got time to kill so why not have a racist destroy 3 Mexicans? I think Vince is happy that the crowd doesn't seem to know about the Lars situation as there aren't any vile chants towards him at all. So it's business as usual now.

WWE Title Match: Kofi Kingston vs Kevin Owens - Kofi wanted to do this on his own so Xavier Woods stayed backstage. This match was okay... it wasn't great. But to be fair, it's tough to follow what Styles/Rollins did. I have no idea why Owens took off Kofi's shoes towards the end of the match. Good to see Kofi win cleanly during his 1st title defense. Unfortunately I don't see him holding it much longer so hopefully he enjoys it while it lasts.

Men's Money in the Bank Ladder Match: Baron Corbin vs Finn Balor vs Andrade vs Ricochet vs Ali vs Drew McIntyre vs Randy Orton - Sami Zayn was attacked backstage by a mystery person that's not Braun Strowman so they said the match will have 7 guys instead of 8. Everyone got their spots in which was good. Finn Balor took the most ladder bumps and a really brutal looking one that Andrade gave him. The ladder wasn't even positioned correctly from the start so it was scary to see. Ricochet didn't get to show off as many high flying moves as he should have but he took a sick ladder bump as well. The finish was stupid though with Ali having both hands on the briefcase only for Lesnar's music to hit. Ali was so "shocked" that he didn't try to unhook the briefcase for a good 15-20 seconds. Brock comes in and wins a match that he's not even in.

Sure, we didn't see the finish coming but this is also not the kind of finish people want. With every mistake Vince makes because he thinks it's awesome... it's honestly making me hope more and more that AEW comes out of the gate strong.

Now back to Brock. We have a MITB winner who won't show up 90% of the time. My guess is that he'll probably win the Universal Title again at the Saudi Arabia PPV in a few weeks. Then he'll cash in his contract on the WWE Champion when Smackdown has their 1st episode on Fox. Super.

LetTigerIn
May 20th, 2019, 10:04 AM
Thank goodness they're adding another title. The pre-show needs another title match or two.

TooCool
May 20th, 2019, 10:23 AM
Thank goodness they're adding another title. The pre-show needs another title match or two.

:lol: I totally forgot about that.

I think a lot of people feel that because it's Mick Foley announcing it, they're going to bring back the hardcore title in the PG era of WWE. I personally think it's just the same Green Title they gave Strowman last year for winning the Greatest Royal Rumble. And since they're doing a 50 man battle royal there... I figured that is what they'll probably announce.

ucsdguy1
May 20th, 2019, 10:49 AM
I actually wrote this up than saw you posted, so all the below is without reading TooCool's thoughts :)

I was actually pretty entertained by the women’s mitb match. Cross got some air time. Moon’s eclipse off a ladder. Damn. Carmella coming back from that knee injury that really didn’t do anything for her in the long run. Somewhat fun all around and didn’t go ridiculously long time-wise. Can’t believe Bayley won, totally thought they’d let Mandy Rose take it. (This has to be in response to Banks going awol and the anger over losing the women’s titles right? See….the locker room is not unhappy). Now let’s hope they don’t completely botch her cash in.

Evans/Lynch: Not a good showing, but not the horrible showing from Evans it could've been. I’m not sure who she has an arc with now, but being fairly green she had a significant amount of offense I’d say before Becky had to reverse and get the arm bar tapout. I do think tapouts happen too quickly nowadays and Evans could’ve at least struggled a little bit before tapping out. Not as much beating down of Becky in this one that would’ve made me consider her extremely tired or weak for Flair.

Lynch/Flair: So this comes right after the Evans match. My first reaction was oh joy Flair as champ again. I am so sick of her. (Oh and Flair missed Lynch’s head by about 4 feet with that final kick)

Bayley’s cash in: Okay, so I have a hard time believing one spear to the corner turnbuckle would’ve knocked Flair out for the elbow. (I would’ve liked it and believed it more if Lynch got back in the ring and laid Flair out first) But wow they really let Bayley have it. Wow. HUG TIME LIVES! Loved her going into the crowd and celebrating with the fan holding the “bayley in the bank” sign. (So, do we think she’ll lose the title to Flair by Tuesday night, or just by the next ppv? Or can Flair just go away for awhile?)

Styles/Rollins: so how do we get these guys to have an iron man match?

Miz/Shane: So, pretty much the past two months of storytelling amounted to….nothing? Miz should’ve just gotten his retribution and been done with it. And how many times can old man Shane kick out of things?

Men’s mitb: Before I get to Lesnar…..When Zayn was shown backstage tied up and Braun denied knowing about it, I thought Zayn planned it himself and would sneak in at the very end to win the mitb I mean that Andrade flip of Balor onto the ladder? Corbin chokeslam of Balor onto the corner of the ladder. McYntire suplex of Balor onto the ladder. He took some punishment! In fact I’d say Balor, Ali, Andrade and Ricochet did most of the heavy lifting (no pun intended) to carry this match. Maybe even if Ali was surprised at Lesnar he should've just grabbed the briefcase and gotten the hell out of there? You know because he was on top of the ladder and his fingers were about 2 inches from the case?

Now Lesnar: was it surprising to see him back? Yes. Do I give two f***s? Nope. Don’t care about him being back, don’t want him back in the title scene yet again. And now we get to have him show up to tease cash ins on both shows. Worst decision ever. Screams of a desperate move to bring ratings up again.
Then there’s this from the dirt sheets:
According to reports from both PWInsider and Fightful, none of the seven wrestlers in the main event knew Lesnar was there, or going to get involved in the ladder match. In fact, they, and almost everyone else backstage, were told Ali would be winning the briefcase - and they were allowed to believe that until “right before the match”, according to Fightful’s Sean Ross Sapp.
Even once Ali and the others learned he wouldn’t be winning, they didn’t know who would. Mike Johnson of Insider writes the seven “were told there would be a spot at the end where Ali would be standing on the top of the ladder and be tipped over but was not told who would be coming out to do the spot.”

When is AEW starting again?

Also they showed like 5 times the image of Foley being on raw tonight to announce a new title. Do we need another title?

ucsdguy1
May 20th, 2019, 10:55 AM
Okay read toocool's thoughts. I think we're mostly in line, but really all I can keep coming back to is


They got time to kill so why not have a racist destroy 3 Mexicans?

I mean I literally spit some water out my nose.

ucsdguy1
May 20th, 2019, 02:35 PM
Via Chris Jericho's twitter:



Chris Jericho

@IAmJericho
Awesome to see @BrockLesnar win the #MoneyInTheBank match...even though he wasn’t officially entered! Brock is the future of the biz and this perfect example of genius booking shows why @WWE will remain on top FOREVER! #GoBrockGo

amazing

ucsdguy1
May 20th, 2019, 10:02 PM
After changing the channel 30 seconds into Heyman talking.....only parts of raw I actually watched:

Revival/Usos
Nikki Cross/Lynch/Bliss v Evans/iconics.

And even that included fast forwarding. Funny how that works.

Foley - still love the guy, but yikes. In fact, that whole segment was a joke right?

The rest - I don’t know seemed like a whole bunch of same old ****

LetTigerIn
May 21st, 2019, 10:01 AM
After changing the channel 30 seconds into Heyman talking.....only parts of raw I actually watched:

Revival/Usos
Nikki Cross/Lynch/Bliss v Evans/iconics.

And even that included fast forwarding. Funny how that works.

Foley - still love the guy, but that whole segment was a joke right?

The rest - I don’t know seemed like a whole bunch of same old ****

Do yourself a favor and, if you can, go back and watch Ricochet v Cesaro. I wish it was given more time, but it worked for the story they told.

The 24/7 belt is weird. It's sort of fun, but really lazy, and it already feels like some kind of consolation prize. I guess no "hardcore" in this family-(and investor)-friendly age, and the title loses even more luster in the age of MitB. As long as Brock is holding MitB, it seems like a much higher stakes version of the 24/7 title.

ucsdguy1
May 21st, 2019, 10:15 AM
Do yourself a favor and, if you can, go back and watch Ricochet v Cesaro. I wish it was given more time, but it worked for the story they told.

The 24/7 belt is weird. It's sort of fun, but really lazy, and it already feels like some kind of consolation prize. I guess no "hardcore" in this family-(and investor)-friendly age, and the title loses even more luster in the age of MitB. As long as Brock is holding MitB, it seems like a much higher stakes version of the 24/7 title.

I will try. I really am discouraged by the fact that Ricochet has already become just another guy who does about nothing. I'm sure next week I'll see him stumble while trying to grab the 24/7 belt from say one of the ascension. And did they say if this is a men's belt only, or women too? Because I'm sure Dakota Kai could grab it and become champion even while injured...

TooCool
May 21st, 2019, 11:17 AM
I will try. I really am discouraged by the fact that Ricochet has already become just another guy who does about nothing. I'm sure next week I'll see him stumble while trying to grab the 24/7 belt from say one of the ascension. And did they say if this is a men's belt only, or women too? Because I'm sure Dakota Kai could grab it and become champion even while injured...

The good news is that female wrestlers have been referred to as "superstars" for awhile now. So I'd imagine it's open to them as well and they say it can be anyone from RAW, Smackdown, NXT, NXT UK, 205 Live, and even legends and hall of famers... :facepalm:

Hell, on Cathy Kelley's twitter last night she had a clip of her and a ref walking around backstage looking for the champ. I don't know if Robert Roode was the champ at this time or if Truth already got it since I didn't watch RAW... but that's the idea. So maybe even Cathy will get a title reign. LOL

But I think ultimately, the fact that it's not a hardcore title is stupid. So what are they going to do? Constantly have roll-up finishes? I guess Truth beating Roode was a little "hardcore" if he slammed Roode's face off the trunk of the car. But even then, it's a weak finish.

I will say one positive thing about this 24/7 title though. With this day and age of social media, they can really capatilize on it. Make it so that someone is eating breakfast at 8AM and they get jumped. You can broadcast that live on Twitter and Facebook. I think back when the hardcore title existed they had to wait until RAW/Smackdown happened and then they'd show an "earlier today" segment. But now you can just make it happen whenever you want. They should even change hands during house shows.

This kind of stupidity can't last though because how often are you going to have midcarders/jobbers play hide and seek backstage? It's also bad to have the upper card ignore the title like they don't want it either. If you really want to make it mean something, make it so that someone like AJ Styles or Roman Reigns capture it as well, just because they want it too. If you only have jobbers scramble for it, it's not a good look even if it's only meant to be funny.

ucsdguy1
May 21st, 2019, 03:55 PM
The rags now saying Lesnar will cash in and face Rollins at the June Saudi Arabia event.

On the one hand, his cashing in the briefcase that quickly is dumb. But on the other hand, this gets Lesnar away from the briefcase and hopefully off tv again.

I don't buy it, especially as ratings for Raw were up last night. I bet Vince will have him hold onto that thing until Survivor Series at least.

LetTigerIn
May 21st, 2019, 05:19 PM
I sure hope R-Truth can hang onto that European Championship another 7 hours.

ucsdguy1
May 22nd, 2019, 09:36 AM
Shawn Spears (aka Tye Dillinger) will sign for AEW and appear at their event this week.


“I’m coming to AEW because I believe in what they are doing,” said Spears. “I believe in providing an alternative for fans, and I really believe that the audience has wanted an alternative for quite some time. This is now the platform to give people exactly what they want, and I am really looking forward to proving myself in AEW.”

TooCool
May 22nd, 2019, 11:50 AM
Happy for Shawn Spears (Tye Dillinger). Feels weird because I just realized that these wrestlers are going from WWE to AEW, they're all going to have different names. Just like how Neville is called PAC. We'll see how much different AEW will be and I'll try to find a stream of it on Saturday. And if not, I'm sure we'll see highlights of some sorts on Youtube. (I ain't paying 50 bucks for that lol)

As for Smackdown... I have to admit I'm a little disappointed R-Truth didn't lose the 24/7 title last night. The whole dressed in drag thing was unnecessary but I'm sure Vince found it funny. But the reason I'm disappointed is that you're pretty much telling the audience that you don't really need to watch Smackdown since you won't miss anything.

The only notable thing that happened was Ziggler making a surprise return since the Rumble. I'm guessing Vince paid him big $$$ to come back? I think when Kofi loses his WWE Title eventually, having him lose it to Ziggler might just be the right choice. Nothing better than a story of 2 mid-card guys who fought each other probably hundreds of times for the US/IC title only to finally battle it out for the biggest prize of them all. Also Ziggler has been working on his acting skills or something with the whole crying bit and the "It should have been me" line.


The rags now saying Lesnar will cash in and face Rollins at the June Saudi Arabia event.

On the one hand, his cashing in the briefcase that quickly is dumb. But on the other hand, this gets Lesnar away from the briefcase and hopefully off tv again.

I don't buy it, especially as ratings for Raw were up last night. I bet Vince will have him hold onto that thing until Survivor Series at least.

The one thing WWE can say they're consistent on with all these stupid wild card rule and draft is that it looks like they're sticking with the no automatic rematch clause. So in a way, it makes sense for Brock to cash in his contract at the Saudi PPV. I'm sure Vince will once again put the strap on him because the Universal Title is a joke anyway.