WWE RAW, Smackdown, & PPV Discussion Thread 2012 & 2013

[TooCool]

All last night proved that John Laurenitis is a chicken **** heel. Why they keep putting this guy on tv when he was a never was and went to Japan and only had a job because of who his brother is.

I think that's the point. He makes a terrific heel and has really improved his character since he "debuted" at Money in the Bank PPV back in July.

Brodus Clay, I get the dancing gimmick, but Rickisi and Too Cool did that stuff better 12 years ago.

Nothing will ever top TooCool's dancing! But like you said, it was 12 years ago so that's best left in the past. I'm really digging what they're doing with Brodus right now. If he came back as a generic heel "monster", that would have sucked...

When Dexter told me that "Somebody call your momma" was trending, I couldn't stop laughing.

[Dexter]

I'll call ya momma if you don't like Brodus' character!

[Matt Young]

Ryder losing the title almost made me turn off my DVR. Such a terrible move to have him lose the title so quickly to a guy who hasn't been relevant in 2 years.

[Cross Traffic]

Ryder losing the title almost made me turn off my DVR. Such a terrible move to have him lose the title so quickly to a guy who hasn't been relevant in 2 years.

Then the whole Johnny Ace "I'm sorry" BS storyline, guess you can't lose the title if you are Mark Henry and not cleared, but if you are Ryder and are not cleared you lose it? Why do they need an authority figure anyways? Been watching streams of old school stuff from 20 years ago and you didn't have WWF president Jack Tunney on every week. Mr Lucky Strike isn't fun to watch on tv, he's totally uncomfortable in an interview situation and comes off as an incredible idiot.

[TooCool]

I'm going to try this again since I'm always curious as to what the wrestlers "record" are. I fell way behind last time and it became a pain trying to find results after WWE changed their main website. If I can keep this going every month or something, I think I can do it.

As usual, I'm separating the record between RAW/Smackdown along with NXT and Superstars since the other two shows are useless.

Countouts and DQs will be counted towards regular wins/losses. Matches that end in No Contest or whatever similar to it will be ignored.

RAW & Smackdown Record

Superstars
Big Show 1-1
Booker T 0-1
Brodus Clay 3-0
Chris Jericho 0-1
CM Punk 1-2
Cody Rhodes 2-1
Curt Hawkins 0-1
Daniel Bryan 3-1
David Otunga 2-0
Dolph Ziggler 2-0
Drew McIntyre 0-2
Epico 2-0
Ezekiel Jackson 0-1
Evan Bourne 0-2
Heath Slater 0-2
Hornswoggle 1-0
Hunico 1-0
Jack Swagger 1-2
Jinder Mahal 0-2
John Cena 1-0
JTG 0-1
Justin Gabriel 1-0
Kofi Kingston 0-3
Mark Henry 1-1
Primo 2-0
R-Truth 1-0
Santino Marella 2-2
Sheamus 2-1
Ted DiBiase 1-1
The Miz 0-1
Tyson Kidd 0-1
Wade Barrett 1-2
Zack Ryder 1-1

Divas
Alicia Fox 1-0
Brie Bella 1-1
Eve 0-1
Kelly Kelly 1-1
Natalya 0-2
Nikki Bella 1-1
Tamina 2-0

WWE NXT Record

Superstars
Alex Riley 1-1
Curt Hawkins 1-1
Darren Young 1-1
Derrick Bateman 0-1
Heath Slater 0-1
Jey Uso 1-0
Jimmy Uso 1-0
Johnny Curtis 1-0
JTG 0-1
Michael McGillicutty 0-1
Percy Watson 1-0
Titus O'Neil 1-0
Trent Baretta 2-1
Tyler Reks 1-1
Tyson Kidd 0-1
Yoshi Tatsu 0-1

Divas
Alicia Fox 1-0
Kaitlyn 0-1
Maxine 1-1

WWE Superstars Record

Superstars
Alex Riley 0-1
Curt Hawkins 0-1
Epico 0-1
Evan Bourne 2-0
Ezekiel Jackson 0-1
Jinder Mahal 2-0
JTG 0-1
Mason Ryan 2-0
Michael McGillicutty 0-1
Santino Marella 1-0
Tyler Reks 0-1
Tyson Kidd 0-1
Wade Barrett 1-0
Yoshi Tatsu 1-1

Divas
Brie Bella 1-0
Kelly Kelly 0-1
Natalya 0-1
Tamina 1-0

[Matt Young]

Then the whole Johnny Ace "I'm sorry" BS storyline, guess you can't lose the title if you are Mark Henry and not cleared, but if you are Ryder and are not cleared you lose it? Why do they need an authority figure anyways? Been watching streams of old school stuff from 20 years ago and you didn't have WWF president Jack Tunney on every week. Mr Lucky Strike isn't fun to watch on tv, he's totally uncomfortable in an interview situation and comes off as an incredible idiot.

I don't have a problem with Laurinaitis himself, but what bothered me was the lack of logic and continuity regarding competitors wrestling while "not medically cleared".

[TooCool]

The Royal Rumble Card is looking pretty solid.

WWE Championship Match
John Laurinaitis - Special Guest Referee
CM Punk vs Dolph Ziggler

Triple Threat Steel Cage World Heavyweight Championship Match
Daniel Bryan vs Big Show vs Mark Henry

John Cena vs Kane

30 Man Royal Rumble Match

I'm sure they can still throw in one more match. Perhaps a Divas Title, US Title, or Tag Title match.

[Dexter]

[Cross Traffic]

Dolph Ziggler as WWE Champ? Wow, that will put butts in the seats.

[TooCool]

Dolph Ziggler as WWE Champ? Wow, that will put butts in the seats.

Who else on the RAW Brand do you think is main event material?

Alberto Del Rio - Had two short title reigns. Currently injured.
Chris Jericho - I think he's going to feud with CM Punk down the line, so that spot is taken up.
Jack Swagger - They killed his character by making him comic relief material for the last 2-3 years.
John Cena - Done to hell and back. I'm liking his feud with Kane right now and it keeps him out of the title picture.
Kane - Busy feuding with Cena, but I guess another title run in the near future wouldn't hurt.
Rey Mysterio - Never saw him to be a believable World Heavy Champion, much less WWE Champion. Also injured.
R-Truth - Had potential as a heel until Super Cena squashed him at Capitol Punishment. He's now a face again.
The Miz - Had a great run in 2011, including a Wrestlemania victory over Cena. Feuding with R-Truth.

So that leaves Dolph Ziggler. I like that they're allowing him to talk more on the microphone lately and it's good because this guy has potential. What other heel else besides Ziggler do you think is "worthy" enough to face CM Punk right now?

The Royal Rumble match is the main focus of the PPV anyway so having Ziggler in the Main Event for this PPV works for me. Besides, it's time to give these younger guys a chance... otherwise it's going to be a repeat of the last few years over and over again with Cena/Orton nonstop.