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    I know topics such as this are not popular with the LGK mods, but I wanted to vent about Evander Kane, so here goes...

    ...I don't like Evander Kane. In fact, there's absolutely nothing remotely positive I can say about the man. In my opinion, he should not be playing hockey at the NHL level. Too much baggage and too many off-the-ice issues. But some teams just don't care about these issues. They'd sign Charles Manson if they thought he'd help them win a Stanley Cup. And it's like this with a lot of teams in all the major sports.

    In the NFL you have teams such at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Cleveland Browns, that will sign anyone with a sordid past, as long as that player gives them a better chance to win, image be damned. The Bucs gladly signed notorious scumbags such as Ndamukong Suh and Antonio Brown, with mixed results. While Suh has miraculously managed to stay out of trouble, Brown finally wore out his welcome and is long gone.

    Kareem Hunt was caught on camera kicking a woman while she was on the ground, and he' s currently the starting running back for the Cleveland Browns. The Browns also signed DeShaun Watson to be their starting quarterback, even though more than 20 civil lawsuits have been filed against him, accusing the newly acquired quarterback of inappropriate conduct and sexual assault.

    In the MLB, Trevor Bauer is currently serving the longest suspension in league history (324 games) for violating the league domestic abuse policy, even though it appears he may be the victim here, based on the text messages sent and received by his accuser, who clearly had ulterior motives (cash, lot of cash). Bauer is appealing his suspension and the first hearing before an arbitrator is scheduled for next week. But inside sources say his current team, the LA Dodgers, want no part of his sordid past on their ledger, and are willing to eat his $102,000,000.00 contract.

    So if that's true, good for the Dodgers...except it appears Bauer was a victim of his own stupidity and was clearly being set-up by the alleged victim. But not all teams are like the Dodgers. They do not care about optics or appearances. They want to win. At all cost.

    Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was accused of sexual assault in Lake Tahoe, but settled out-of-court with the woman and continued his career and the Pittsburgh fans couldn't care less. The list goes on and on and on...

    ...anyway, back to Evander Kane, who 30 days ago settled an off-ice incident (out-of-court) with a Buffalo area woman that accused him of assault That was swept under the rug fairly briskly. This guy has more dirt on his resume than any professional athlete I can recall.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...buffalo-woman/

    My point here is each individual league treats these cases quite differently. Bauer has been found guilty of nothing by law enforcement, but his career, for all practical purposes, may be over, even if he wins his appeal.

    And no way should Kareem Hunt be playing in the NFL, but he's the star of the Browns, even though he was caught on camera kicking a woman while she was lying on the ground.

    And today MLB suspended Matt Harvey 60 games for his admission that he provided opioids to Angels pitcher Tyler Skaggs, who died of an overdose.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ting-oxycodone

    Needless to say, Bauer is less than thrilled with the length of Harvey's suspension.

    https://nypost.com/2022/05/18/trevor...ys-suspension/

    The penalties for players off-the field incidents in any major sport should not be so disproportionate. If Evander Kane was a baseball player, I think its safe to say his career would be over. Same for Watson and Brown and Hunt...yet Harvey, a baseball player, who admitted to lying under oath in Federal Court, receives a suspension of 60 games compared to Bauer's 324 game suspension. And Harvey's conduct led to the death of a teammate.

    None of this makes any sense. And I will always root against ANY team that enables a player such as Evander Kane by signing him to a fat contract, knowing full well the extent of his illustrious past. I don't think the LA Kings organization would have let Slava Voynov continue to play for the team, even if he had been acquitted of the charges. But it wouldn't surprise me if another team signed Voynov immediately had he been allowed to remain in the country (I'm looking at you Edmonton).

    In my opinion, it stinks to high-hell...but as the say: Winning is the best perfume. But when I see Kane out there on the ice gooning it up and laughing like a hyena, it still smells pretty damn bad to me. And I don't care who wins the Cup, as long as it's not the Edmonton Oilers.

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    so i have a few thoughts on this...

    1. part of the issue with Kane has been his locker room attitude. And i think you have to weigh that against what he brings to the ice. It's not just his baggage, but how his attitude might effect other players on your roster. In this case, oilers needed literally anything to get them going, and he's a perfect fit from an on ice perspective. The oilers are also a bit more experienced team, maybe better equipped to deal with **** in the locker room. Maybe, maybe not... but each team is different, and at the time they signed Kane, they needed something big to jump start the team.

    2. the Kings have had their fare share of off ice issues between voynov, richards, and Stoll (as the fall guy for the vegas escapades). And that's just recently. All that to say that, perhaps the Kings have had a win at all cost mentality. Perhaps many teams do, in fact, employ players who might be considered scummy or gross. We just don't always hear about it. Some guys wind up in the press. Others don't. Ignorance is bliss.

    3. I also will root against the oilers after what i saw in this past series. Play hard. Take every advantage you can get. But some of their players crossed a line. If the Kings had any semblance of a PP, they could have made the oilers pay for **** like that, but unfortunately, the world isn't always just. They arent good enough to knock off any of the elite teams in my opinion, so im not worried about seeing them win a cup this season, but i do think they got off light with some of the **** they pulled.

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    Remember that time Kings front office and coaching thought it was an absolute great idea to have a player who made his wife and TV into one object, skate with the team at practice.......cause you know......he's having a hard time, and team, and family and such.

    Remember that time the Kings GM took an addicts word that he was "ok" (when all sorts of areas in dudes life were screaming ADDICTION) ...then let him continue with the club.....then threw him under the bus to get out of his contract when they were "surprised" dude had a drug problem and was caught with drugs coming across the border.

    Speaking of smuggling.......Remember that player that played the role of drug mule in Vegas......nope?......Neither does the front office.


    Expect more from your team, management, and ownership. If you don't care.....and you, as a fan, are all about winning.....so are they.
    It's all about the coin.

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    I noticed former Cincinnati Bengal & usc trojan Rey Magaluga got arrested for DUI recently, and that made me reminisce about when Rey Rey was at sc - he punched out a much smaller student at a Halloween party. When the kids friends told him they’re “calling the police” - Rey yelled back: “I own the police”

    Fast forward, coach Pete Carroll explained that his player was going through some emotional trauma (father dying of cancer) and all punishment will be held “internally”

    So next game vs Stanford- Rey is benched - for first half only.

    SC scores 51 points in first half to 0 for Stanford.

    Perfect statement game for Carroll to discipline his player. But - Rey gets in the second half of a 51-0 game.

    In conclusion: there are team / organizations that do the right thing & suspend - bench - cut talented players because they have scruples. Then, there are others who don’t GAS and just want to win with the punks (like the Bengals who had absolutely the worst bunch of punks …well.. they still do as by their running back’s college behavior In Oklahoma)

    Google it

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    A lot of athletes are not decent human beings. Of course, you can say that about people in any walk of life (when I was a naive college student, I thought professors would be different. After all, they are so smart, logical, cultured and well-educated, right?). Boy, was I wrong. And then you take some 20-something kids, give them millions of dollars, and treat then like demigods, is it any wonder that their rotten traits are magnified, and many think they can do anything they want without any consequences?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moog View Post
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    Remember that time the Kings GM took an addicts word that he was "ok" (when all sorts of areas in dudes life were screaming ADDICTION) ...then let him continue with the club.....then threw him under the bus to get out of his contract when they were "surprised" dude had a drug problem and was caught with drugs coming across the border.
    Richards was in the rehab program... His addiction wasn't a secret within the organization. Take a look at the CBA rules about players in the program.

    But Richards getting busted at the border for a handful of opioids gave the Kings a new path to terminate his contract - and they took it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VCRW View Post
    Richards was in the rehab program... His addiction wasn't a secret within the organization. Take a look at the CBA rules about players in the program.

    But Richards getting busted at the border for a handful of opioids gave the Kings a new path to terminate his contract - and they took it.
    Not a secret you say?
    This quote from Dean Lombardi:

    "The only thing I can think of that would be worse would be suspecting your wife of cheating on you for five years and then finding out in fact it was true."

    ...

    "I heard the rumors that Mike might have some off-ice issues, but I refused to believe that they were true despite some obvious signs.

    "The reality is that I was 'played.' My only regret, though, is that I wish Mike had been able to come to me with his problem and that was the last message I left for him on his cellphone when I learned of the incident and all the history leading up to the incident."
    https://www.jewelsfromthecrown.com/2...-mike-richards

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    I think a HUGE distinction needs to be made between scumbags who assault others and players who get busted for drugs, especially athletes in sports like hockey whose addiction is the result of trying to play through pain. They're mostly hurting themselves. Who cares if a player took some pills down to the pool for his teammates who are partying? They're adults, they should be able to do what they want.

    I highly recommend this video in which Kessler discusses his health issues as a result of hockey.



    I recall a quote from an unnamed NFL GM, who said the team would employ Jeffrey Dahmer if he ran a 4.2 40. "We'd just say that he had an eating disorder." A vast majority of pro sports teams (including big-time NCAA programs) will overlook major issues with their talented athletes. That's never going to change as long as there's big money to be made by continuing to employ those athletes. Ultimately, it's the fans who continue to buy the tickets and indirectly blessing these athletes' continued employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moog View Post
    Not a secret you say?
    Lombardi is a lawyer and often spoke like one.

    And Dean made these statements when he was be questioned about not using the compliance buyout to deal with the Richards problem.

    It became a very complicated issue until the "breach of contract" opportunity arose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VCRW View Post
    Lombardi is a lawyer and often spoke like one.

    And Dean made these statements when he was be questioned about not using the compliance buyout to deal with the Richards problem.

    It became a very complicated issue until the "breach of contract" opportunity arose.
    So you are saying Dean flat out lied, and he knew Richards entered the league's substance abuse program.....went publicly to the press (LA Times) to state otherwise......knowing that the entire franchise knew Richards was in the program?

    ....add to that Richards never responded to refute Lombardi's claims of "being played"?


    Where has it been stated with proof that Richards entered the league's substance abuse program when he was a King?

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