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    Quote Originally Posted by JWR View Post
    Chychrun is 24 6' 2" with a cap hit of 4.6 mil for the next 3 years plays Lt D , PP QB and is physical in front of the net . He is the kind of D player to build around like Drew was for us.
    As far as the 2 1st's I believe it would be worth it for if we can improve our D play with him we can improve our playoff position and make those picks show up later in the 1st rounds.
    Yeah I'm not saying he's not a good player, but you do not build around an injury prone player unless they have top of the league talent. Until he shows the injuries to be a fluke, he doesn't demand the same trade value PHX was asking for. Additionally, as good as he is he is another offensive defenseman and though a sizable upgrade is not quite what we need right now (funny that we traded potentially our best stay at home RD prospect over the summer).

    There are two good LDs in the upcoming draft that we could take a run at if we are looking at someone like Chychrun. Will they be better? Only time will tell, but they would come at a fraction of the price of what is being asked in that trade proposal.


    Mikhail Gulyeyev

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    http://www.mynhldraft.com/2023-nhl-d...khail-Gulyayev

    Theo Lindstein

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    https://nhlentrydraft.com/news/theo-...ree-of-hlinka/

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    Quote Originally Posted by DryKing View Post
    Yeah I'm not saying he's not a good player, but you do not build around an injury prone player unless they have top of the league talent. Until he shows the injuries to be a fluke, he doesn't demand the same trade value PHX was asking for. Additionally, as good as he is he is another offensive defenseman and though a sizable upgrade is not quite what we need right now (funny that we traded potentially our best stay at home RD prospect over the summer).

    There are two good LDs in the upcoming draft that we could take a run at if we are looking at someone like Chychrun. Will they be better? Only time will tell, but they would come at a fraction of the price of what is being asked in that trade proposal.


    Mikhail Gulyeyev

    https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe...khail-gulyayev

    http://www.mynhldraft.com/2023-nhl-d...khail-Gulyayev

    Theo Lindstein

    https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe...theo-lindstein

    https://nhlentrydraft.com/news/theo-...ree-of-hlinka/
    My only drawback I see is that we are supposed to be heading into a phase where the team is to be at the end of the rebuild and start making some noise in the playoffs. Staying put and instead drafting one of those prospects who may or may not develop right away (most young D men take at least 3 years) to me is a step backward. I would rather pay for a known commodity that as proven to be elite to help us now and in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWR View Post
    Chychrun is 24 6' 2" with a cap hit of 4.6 mil for the next 3 years plays Lt D , PP QB and is physical in front of the net . He is the kind of D player to build around like Drew was for us.
    As far as the 2 1st's I believe it would be worth it for if we can improve our D play with him we can improve our playoff position and make those picks show up later in the 1st rounds.
    I'm not a Chychrun expert, but I did do a little deep dive last year when the trade rumors started. At first I was all for it, but really, I see him as the type of player that a good team plays on the second pair. What bothered me is that he's never logged a lot of ice time killing penalties and at the same time, has never been on the top PP unit. Durzi has as many career PP assists as Chychrun. Clarke has more PP assists in 5 games this year than Chychrun had in 47 last year. He's not the Doughty type that plays in all situations, he's more of a luxury that you add when you're already a good team.

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    When Edler is yer biggest, meanest defenseman,

    you got problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JWR View Post
    My only drawback I see is that we are supposed to be heading into a phase where the team is to be at the end of the rebuild and start making some noise in the playoffs. Staying put and instead drafting one of those prospects who may or may not develop right away (most young D men take at least 3 years) to me is a step backward. I would rather pay for a known commodity that as proven to be elite to help us now and in the future.
    That's a totally fair point. Personally, though, I'd rather make a deal for a player like K'Andre Miller if we are going to give up a Kings ransom as he provides more of what we need and the NYR need centers, though less so than last year, and RWs which we have a supply of.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Chychrun on the team and really think Fox was leaning into that during the last broadcast when we played the Yotes, but only at a fair price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DryKing View Post
    That's a totally fair point. Personally, though, I'd rather make a deal for a player like K'Andre Miller if we are going to give up a Kings ransom as he provides more of what we need and the NYR need centers, though less so than last year, and RWs which we have a supply of.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have Chychrun on the team and really think Fox was leaning into that during the last broadcast when we played the Yotes, but only at a fair price.
    I'd be gobsmacked if they made Miller available. I know the fanbase always has their players that they pick on but that seems to be a stretch. He would absolutely command a ransom. Definitely would be a coup for Blake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jammer06 View Post
    I'd be gobsmacked if they made Miller available. I know the fanbase always has their players that they pick on but that seems to be a stretch. He would absolutely command a ransom. Definitely would be a coup for Blake.
    Totally agree. Only way I see it potentially happening is that NYR have some pretty hefty pay raises to give out next season and between Trouba and Fox they already have $17.5 in payroll tied up. Chytil is setting up for a breakout year, and Lafreniere should get a decent pay raise. Then they have Schneider coming up in 2024. Still, to your point, there are places to trim on the roster prior to giving up Miller but if we offered them low salary cost prospects and picks it could be possible (though agreed still unlikely).

    Off topic, they could also choose to part with Laf who would also be a nice pickup if we could consolidate a few prospects / picks for him to clear the bottleneck a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgs View Post
    This team has taken on the personality of Kopitar. Absolutely no physical presence. They don't hit anyone.
    I'm going to disagree with you just a bit. I think if you polled d-men around the league, they'd agree that they don't like having to battle Kopitar along the boards. He is a handful.

    And to be fair, I've seen Kopitar stick his nose into more scrums this season than in his entire combined career.

    I have other issues with Kopitar's play, but I'm okay with his physicality.

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    I've got my qualms with Kopitar, but I'd also note that we've been lucky he hasn't been hurt a lot in his career. If he played a more physical brand of hockey, he'd be more injury prone...like a Crosby or Toews with their concussions. Do I wish he were more physical? Absolutely. But I'm more thankful that he's been able to stay healthy and not be the target of other teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Getraer View Post
    I'm not a Chychrun expert, but I did do a little deep dive last year when the trade rumors started. At first I was all for it, but really, I see him as the type of player that a good team plays on the second pair. What bothered me is that he's never logged a lot of ice time killing penalties and at the same time, has never been on the top PP unit. Durzi has as many career PP assists as Chychrun. Clarke has more PP assists in 5 games this year than Chychrun had in 47 last year. He's not the Doughty type that plays in all situations, he's more of a luxury that you add when you're already a good team.
    He also doesn’t hit as much as you want for that size and registers more giveaways than takeaways. The injuries are undeniable. AZ is demanding a huge sum for a player that’s still more potential than arrival. I’ve soured on the idea myself.

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