aragorn
Jerseys need purple
A third line dman for Mathews? Everyone would take that deal except the team with Mathews. I know home fans always overvalue their own players, but that's way off kilter.
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aragorn
Jerseys need purple
That's the reason to trade him, not to keep him. Doughty's stock is dropping by the minute.
I was not advocating.
Just predicting the outcome.
ICE24
Super Star
That is exactly what I was implying, Marner plays both ends of the ice and now playing on a much better team, we see his true ability.Uuhhh... I may be wrong, but Marner seems to be doing okay with the change of scenery...
On the other hand, Matthews plays one side of the ice and playing for the Kings at this time
is not going to elevate his game, like it would, if he was on a team like Vegas.
We know Vegas usually plays the regular season with 1/3 of their team missing and still makes a run into the playoffs. That's how good they are and then adding Marner, could put them in the final.
VCRW
Classic player
Matthews is +147 for his career. A player with his talent and size could adapt to a more defensive system. He is not PLD.
NothingBut5Hole
Prospect
Not PLD until he gets on this team......zing!
DryKing
Power Forward
Not following this comment. Matthews is a solid 2-way Center and was a top 3 Selke finalist 2023-4. He's received Selke votes season over season.
What made both him, and Marner, so good is that they both have an elite level 200 foot game.
As for Marner, he is one of the most skilled players in the NHL and always has been that good. Not sure why people thought otherwise, but it may be due to the constant media/fan bashing of him.
There are three All-star moments that always live actively in my memory (in no particular order) 1 -Johnny Hockey's stick handling challenge 2) Zegras' breakaway challenge 3) Marner's wrist shot from high up in the stands straight into the opposing net. These guys just have sick skill.
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DoubleMinor
Top Forward
Matthews definitely showed his ability and desire to play the whole game during the Olympics.
Obviously there is dysfunction in Toronto and I don’t think his time there is showing the full picture.
emsomaso
The Swedish King
I know I’m beating a dead horse, but I simply hate this obvious disadvantage some teams including Kings have:
”The tax calculator tool shows that if Ferraro were to receive identical offers at $5.13MM from San Jose and Tampa Bay, respectively, Ferraro would pay an additional $705K per year if he took the Sharks’ offer, compared to Tampa Bay’s. Over the lifetime of a four-year contract, that is nearly $3MM difference between the two identical offers.
In other words, the Sharks and other markets are at a natural disadvantage when competing for free agents.”
Yes I know that money isn’t the only factor, but we can talk about the weather, houses at the beach, sponsorships and winning culture as pull factors all you want, that is A LOT of money to just walk away from and I’m sure a clear majority of the players would never do that!
Since $20MM isn’t unrealistic for the absolute top players like Celebrini, McDavid or Matthews in the future and they most likely would demand a 7 year contract, players like that who wants to play for Kings would have to accept earning a total of $19MM less during that period than they would in Tampa, Florida, Nashville and other low-tax markets.
Yeah right, that ain’t gonna happen…
”The tax calculator tool shows that if Ferraro were to receive identical offers at $5.13MM from San Jose and Tampa Bay, respectively, Ferraro would pay an additional $705K per year if he took the Sharks’ offer, compared to Tampa Bay’s. Over the lifetime of a four-year contract, that is nearly $3MM difference between the two identical offers.
In other words, the Sharks and other markets are at a natural disadvantage when competing for free agents.”
Yes I know that money isn’t the only factor, but we can talk about the weather, houses at the beach, sponsorships and winning culture as pull factors all you want, that is A LOT of money to just walk away from and I’m sure a clear majority of the players would never do that!
Since $20MM isn’t unrealistic for the absolute top players like Celebrini, McDavid or Matthews in the future and they most likely would demand a 7 year contract, players like that who wants to play for Kings would have to accept earning a total of $19MM less during that period than they would in Tampa, Florida, Nashville and other low-tax markets.
Yeah right, that ain’t gonna happen…
DryKing
Power Forward
It would be nice if it was addressed by the league, but doubtful any way they do so makes all teams happy. Additionally, West Coast teams tend to have much heavier travel schedules which is another drawback.
It underlines, once again, how important the draft is for CA teams. Hopefully you home grow a player and there is a bit more loyalty there when it comes time to resign.
Without being specifically political we all know who pushes taxes.
The latest newly invented category being wealth taxes.
The threshold would come down continually until it becomes middle class taxes.
The Kings may never win another championship unless we have secure elections.
emsomaso
The Swedish King
As I Swede, I stay as far as possible away from any US political discussions…
But as a Kings fan I just find it very odd that after all that talk from Bettman about how the whole idea about the boring salary cap was to make the NHL a fair and equal league he then just lets this GIANT loophole pass…
There is simply no way Kings can attract the biggest UFA stars if they get upwards $20MM less for playing here…
And as DryKing said above, the draft becomes even more important. But show me a team that won solely because of the draft, most teams IMO win as a result of a mix of good drafts and solid trades/free agent signings!
Bollocks
Super Star
We also know which political options are currently by far the biggest terrorists of this world. It just so happens that those are the same people that want to lower taxes for the rich. Go figure.
So which is it: are higher taxes or lower taxes for rich athletes making millions good or bad. You can't have both.
Clif
Super Star
The simple solution is for the league to adjust the cap based on net salary vs. gross. Levels the playing field for all teams including Canadian.
NY and NJ are right behind CA in income tax rates and even MA and MN are 9+. There’s a reason pundits talk about tax free states not high tax states/provinces. There are fewer no tax states than there are high tax states/provinces.
Unique advantage to a handful of markets. It’s FL, TX, TN, WA, and NV. That’s only 6 teams.
NY and NJ are right behind CA in income tax rates and even MA and MN are 9+. There’s a reason pundits talk about tax free states not high tax states/provinces. There are fewer no tax states than there are high tax states/provinces.
Unique advantage to a handful of markets. It’s FL, TX, TN, WA, and NV. That’s only 6 teams.
hokiecat
Super Star
Please, someone think of the millionaire athletes and our desires for the CA teams to be good
hokiecat
Super Star
It's not simple. Now when players get traded, the net cap hit would change depending upon where they ended up. All you've done is change the rules in favor of high tax teams instead of low/zero tax teams.
Also, looking at migration patterns, it isn't just the millionaires who are leaving CA/NY/NJ for TX/FL/NC/TN. This isn't a problem which is unique to the NHL.
VCRW
Classic player
The way deals are structured now allows the players to circumvent state income taxes. For example, $1 million is paid in taxable salary in franchise state and $9 million paid as a signing bonus that could be paid in a lower tax residence state or home country. Accountants and lawyers know how to level the playing field.
Clif
Super Star
Jeeze. Now I feel silly for not thinking of the difference when it would come to trades. Glad I brought this up though because that makes sense.