It was 20 years ago today…

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I was just looking up comparisons between this team and the 05-06 team as I feel there are some similarities. That was the end of the Taylor era that produced so little (though more than this one)

Anyway turns out that 20 years ago today, fhe Kings got blown out by the Sabres 10-1 and it is thought this was a turning point where ownership started to see the failure of the Taylor era rebuild. The year ended with a house cleaning and the hiring of Dean Lombardi.

Are we seeing something similar? Are we going
to have the epic collapse that team had and hire someone to build this thing properly?

That team was actually better at this point, but the collapse was imminent.

Short sighted me wants them to win but long term… hard to want this to continue.
 
dannybuoy1 said:
I would like to see a new coach, a new offense and a new culture. The culture here has been sh*t for 10 years. This boring play and everything is fine, we are just not scoring goals is crap.

The problem is, we should not be the ones who know more.
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Culture is number one. Lombardi preached that but then hurt it himself, in my opinion with the Richards and Voynov debacles.

I’ve liked this team since 1988 and I can’t tell you what it means to be an LA King, other than - you’re going to lose… a lot.
 
This season feels like a cross between the 05-06 and 14-15 seasons. Why I brought up the 14-15 season comparison is due to the maddeningly frustrating OT losses the Kings often suffered, especially in the SO. Though the Kings had the excuse of Voynov being suspended for his DV incident the start of that season; this season, there's no excuse other than Luc, Blake, and Hiller sabotaging this team's culture and it shows in this current iteration's Kings. This is looking to be even worse than the 05-06 and 14-15 seasons combined.
 
King of Pentacle5 said:
I would rather see them rebuild with a good GM. Fiala, Kempe, QB, and Kuemper could get some nice high first round picks. Kempe alone is probably worth a top 3 1st rounder at his age and cap friendly contract. I haven’t looked to see if he has a NMC though.
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If he does have one, it doesn't kick in until next season.

Not sure I'd go that far with the fire sale. Kuemper and potentially Fiala are worth quite a lot, Moore, Perry, Kuzmenko, Edmundson are also worth at least a 2nd rounder for a playoff team, with salary retained and a 3rd rounder maybe the Kings can even get a 1st rounder in return.

Selling low on QB and trading the only bonafide top player in Kempe would IMO be a mistake.

The problem is that the decision that this year the Kings won't compete for playoffs needs to be made before the deadline. IMO that decision won't be made. Thus they probably maybe only trade Kuzmenko and Perry since their contracts are up, and look to replace them from within (Lee, Chromiak).

Illegal_Stick said:
Culture is number one. Lombardi preached that but then hurt it himself, in my opinion with the Richards and Voynov debacles.

I’ve liked this team since 1988 and I can’t tell you what it means to be an LA King, other than - you’re going to lose… a lot.
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Lombardi not only got hosed by bad luck (Voynov, Mike) and his own mistakes (not buying out Mike, Lucic trade was very bad), but his relatively poor drafting record where prioritizing character over skill too much left the prospect pool barren.
 
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What I remember about that blowout in Buffalo is that it completely changed the course of the Kings season. Until then, the Kings were near the top of the Western Conference and had the illusions of a Cup contender. That blowout shattered that into a million pieces, and ultimately led to a house cleaning (and eventually, ironically, 2 cups). This year the Kings don't even have such illusions as being a contender. The 2015 team finished with 95 points, and missed the playoffs. How absurd does that sound? Shootouts and OT failures did them in, along with other issues already noted. The loser points the Kings have been getting this year is the worst of both worlds. More regulation losses would position them better for a lottery pick. More OT wins would put them at the top of the division.
 
Illegal_Stick said:
I was just looking up comparisons between this team and the 05-06 team as I feel there are some similarities. That was the end of the Taylor era that produced so little (though more than this one)

Anyway turns out that 20 years ago today, fhe Kings got blown out by the Sabres 10-1 and it is thought this was a turning point where ownership started to see the failure of the Taylor era rebuild. The year ended with a house cleaning and the hiring of Dean Lombardi.

Are we seeing something similar? Are we going
to have the epic collapse that team had and hire someone to build this thing properly?

That team was actually better at this point, but the collapse was imminent.

Short sighted me wants them to win but long term… hard to want this to continue.
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Liewieke versus the Bean Counter. How do you think this is going to go?
 
Illegal_Stick said:
I was just looking up comparisons between this team and the 05-06 team as I feel there are some similarities. That was the end of the Taylor era that produced so little (though more than this one)

Anyway turns out that 20 years ago today, fhe Kings got blown out by the Sabres 10-1 and it is thought this was a turning point where ownership started to see the failure of the Taylor era rebuild. The year ended with a house cleaning and the hiring of Dean Lombardi.

Are we seeing something similar? Are we going
to have the epic collapse that team had and hire someone to build this thing properly?

That team was actually better at this point, but the collapse was imminent.

Short sighted me wants them to win but long term… hard to want this to continue.
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2005-6 Kings roster:
Los Angeles Kings 2005-06 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

2005-6 Sabres roster:
Buffalo Sabres 2005-06 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

Did we even have a chance? With all-stars like

RORY FITZPATRICK
buffalo-sabres-headshots.jpg

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He literally changed the game of Hockey. Sheesh.

Edit: Two things, I-Stick, one if there were a karma button, you'd get it. and two, my origin story of loving third line centers *the most* began with Ebay. *Sigh* Oh, and one more...JIm Hiller is not Willie Desjardns, he's Andy Murray.

That Is All Meryl Streep GIF
 
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What party? said:
2005-6 Kings roster:
Los Angeles Kings 2005-06 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

2005-6 Sabres roster:
Buffalo Sabres 2005-06 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

Did we even have a chance? With all-stars like

RORY FITZPATRICK
buffalo-sabres-headshots.jpg

​


He literally changed the game of Hockey. Sheesh.

Edit: Two things, I-Stick, one if there were a karma button, you'd get it. and two, my origin story of loving third line centers *the most* began with Ebay. *Sigh* Oh, and one more...JIm Hiller is not Willie Desjardns, he's Andy Murray.

That Is All Meryl Streep GIF
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The only King that was kept from the end of that terrible era was Brown. Everyone else was traded, retired or not re-signed. I could see this current squad ending up similarly with Kings org keeping only Kempe, Anderson, Clarke and Laffy or Turc. At this point everyone else seems expendable.
 
Bollocks said:
If he does have one, it doesn't kick in until next season.

Not sure I'd go that far with the fire sale. Kuemper and potentially Fiala are worth quite a lot, Moore, Perry, Kuzmenko, Edmundson are also worth at least a 2nd rounder for a playoff team, with salary retained and a 3rd rounder maybe the Kings can even get a 1st rounder in return.

Selling low on QB and trading the only bonafide top player in Kempe would IMO be a mistake.
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Kempe alone could get a top 5 first rounder, imo.

The others could be packaged for other 1st/2nd round picks and/or prospects.

The pipeline is bare. This team needs to get those higher talent picks to do any rebuilding, imo. This patchwork by Holland only kicks the can down the road as Kempe ages.
 
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