Report: NHL viewership in the U.S. is way, way, waaaaaaay down

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Report: NHL viewership in the U.S. is way, way, waaaaaaay down - "ESPN and TNT hovered around 200k viewers, getting beat handily by other properties. ESPN has regularly drawn nearly 1M viewers recently for a brand new property like TGL. Even Shrine Bowl on NFL Network outdrew by about 10k viewers"​


Wake up NHL!!!

When you don’t market the league and you make your games difficult to watch due to fragmenting them across different networks…..that’s really bad.

Meanwhile turn on your TV, cable, stream, antenna anytime and the NFL is eas easy to access as anything!

Oh and they market to EVERYONE!

Meanwhile the NHL closes access and still markets to older white men….their demographic….not doing much to broaden the fan base….let alone the young demographic: future fans.

If young kids of all ages, demographics can’t watch your games and you don’t market to them, you are doomed!

A great game just wasted.
Good job Gary! You keep resting on those laurels!
 
They've done it to themselves. Going back to ESPN was a mistake as you can only see most games with an ESPN+ subscription. The NHL Network is considered a "premium" channel on Spectrum so you need to upgrade your package. Ducks are on Victory, Rangers are on MSG. Not to mention archaic blackout rules still in place. I'm shocked they get the viewership they do!
 
I can't believe you think NFL is easier to watch than NHL. ESPN+ gets almost every out of market hockey game. Out of market football needs Sunday Ticket plus Amazon, Peacock, ESPN, Netflix, and more.

Hockey just isn't popular. Nobody who watched last night's 1-1 snooze fest was a casual fan.
 
The issue is the NFL took the TV rights and made them national and part of revenue sharing. The other leagues franchises were never strong armed at the same time by a commissioner that had a brighter eye for the medium. Putting together a model of revenue sharing that gets the original six franchises and buffalo on board will be tremendously difficult at this point
 
It also doesn't help that they did take all the rights for the websites and marketing through e-tail, but by not pulling the online national rights with the regional rights they are acting as a consortium of clubs instead of a scalable entity
 
I can't believe you think NFL is easier to watch than NHL. ESPN+ gets almost every out of market hockey game. Out of market football needs Sunday Ticket plus Amazon, Peacock, ESPN, Netflix, and more.

Hockey just isn't popular. Nobody who watched last night's 1-1 snooze fest was a casual fan.
True dat.

To watch the NFL ths year I had to subscribe to the following streaming srvices:

Amazon (Thursday Night Football)
Sling (Fox and NBC)
Paramount + (CBS)

And I still missed quite a few games that were exclusive to specific streaming broadcasts. It's madness.

As for hockey, I still meet people that don't know LA has a hockey team. Hard to believe, but true.

Last night was a low-event affair for sure. I wasn't falling asleep, but it was a rather boring game for the most part, and the first period was over in the blink of an eye. I had this feeling the players just wanted to get it over with and start their break.

Still the place was packed and I didn't see many empty seats. But as you stated, this was not a game for casual fans. Hockey just isn't mega-popular.
 
True, but you NEED casuals to get new fans into the game.
If it's not marketed well, and fractured across multiple platforms, and blackouts your casuals (future fans) will never see the game.

The NFL at least has games every week that are easily accessible to the public (AKA casuals).
Continually working on the present and future fanbase.

The NHL does not seem to be thinking about the future.

Kids playing hockey is extremely cost prohibitive, so your future fanbase has not contact with playing the game and falling in love with the sport.

The NHL is not really active in communities pushing the sport forward.
Old school blackouts and fractured broadcasting definitely hurts the sport.

And forget about seeing a game live.
Live sports in the US (including hockey) is sky high.


On another note, Gen Z and Gen Alpha....will they follow professional sports in the US like previous generations? Just search the interwebz, and sure enough, they are not watching. It's a big drop off.
 
The NHL is horrible at marketing, but the OP is simplifying this. NBA cable ratings are way down as well. Cable is not the present let alone the future. Gotta broaden this topic. Also last year had record numbers in playoff viewership, so revisit this later.

Streaming is sports nirvana. I pay 20 bucks a month to watch Kings games and 10 bucks to watch just about any other NHL game anytime on ESPN+. It’s less than $100 for the entire F1 season through their app. I’m 40 years old so I’m not young but I am a millennial. People my age and younger aren’t buying cable. It’s a skewed sample.

The NHL has some advantages as well as risks to its main profit driver. Nearly half of its revenue is from attendance. Hockey is a culture. What it lacks in broad appeal it thrives on fanaticism at a higher level than casual allegiance and fair weather curiosity. I don’t like Bettman (who does?) and the parity is too close for my liking, but it’s keeping most teams relevant longer in the season. The hard cap is working there.

The NHL is actually doing better financially and that’s the reason the salary cap is going up. It’s total revenue is up 6.2%. As a league, again, marketing is better at Chuck E Cheese. But in spite of itself, the NHL gets attention from a popular podcast in Spittin’ Chiclets. youth hockey continues to succeed and grow and will be a continued necessity for keeping the game going. It could benefit from more eyes on social media goofballs like Coach Chippy. As much of a disaster as the Winter Classic was he was still invited for some media event or skate or something. Glad he’s on the league’s radar. They need more of his kind.

As for its place among the other big leagues, yeah they’re more popular. This fits into the tell-me-something new category.

The NFL is the ultimate sport for low commitment. It’s once a week. It’s a ritual. It’s easy to put on TV anywhere because Sunday is game day. The other sports don’t have that equivalent. NFL has brilliant marketing, don’t get me wrong, but its advantages are baked in and not anything any other league can compare too, so don’t sweat it. If Taylor wanted to date an NHL player that would help, though.

As for Gen Z viewership, MLB had to butcher its rules to prompt more scoring and faster games. Don’t want to Grandpa Simpson this but Gen Z has the lowest attention span of any generation in history. Not their fault, schools have for too long neglected to be the adult in the room and ban phones. Social media has never been regulated to be 18+.

Anyway, they are a problem for sports viewership but I also worry about a competent work force. I’d like to have successful knee replacement surgery or whatever in my 60s/70s.
 
Hockey will always be a niche sport. You either love the game or you don't. The casual fan does not go to a bar to watch back-to-back to back hockey games on Sat or Sun during the fall and winter months, however they do for football, even if just for the atmosphere.

We know hockey is a great sport to watch, baseball is beyond boring, however you don't always have to pay attention to a baseball game. You do in hockey! Most fans turn the channel during a baseball game only to come back to it later, after they realize they haven't had the game on for 30 minutes.

I blame the parents as well. Most don't know much about hockey, and they tend to push their kids into team sports that they are familiar with and close by like soccer and baseball. It's easy, pull up a lawn chair and relax. Most parents don't want to have to drive their kids 30 minutes or more to go to a rink and have to sit there bundled up for a 9:00pm or 6:00am practice.

There isn't a huge marketable player in the NHL. There is no Mahome's, Kelce x2. For the most part NHL players are humble without huge egos. ESPN loves huge egos. They will show a 6'9 man dunk a b-ball over and over rather than an NHL player making an incredible shot, while falling down. The kids growing up today, if not playing youth hockey are not watching hockey.
Lastly, Will Ferrell in the stands is not bringing the casual fan to hockey.
 
Hockey will always be a niche sport. You either love the game or you don't. The casual fan does not go to a bar to watch back-to-back to back hockey games on Sat or Sun during the fall and winter months, however they do for football, even if just for the atmosphere.

We know hockey is a great sport to watch, baseball is beyond boring, however you don't always have to pay attention to a baseball game. You do in hockey! Most fans turn the channel during a baseball game only to come back to it later, after they realize they haven't had the game on for 30 minutes.

I blame the parents as well. Most don't know much about hockey, and they tend to push their kids into team sports that they are familiar with and close by like soccer and baseball. It's easy, pull up a lawn chair and relax. Most parents don't want to have to drive their kids 30 minutes or more to go to a rink and have to sit there bundled up for a 9:00pm or 6:00am practice.

There isn't a huge marketable player in the NHL. There is no Mahome's, Kelce x2. For the most part NHL players are humble without huge egos. ESPN loves huge egos. They will show a 6'9 man dunk a b-ball over and over rather than an NHL player making an incredible shot, while falling down. The kids growing up today, if not playing youth hockey are not watching hockey.
Lastly, Will Ferrell in the stands is not bringing the casual fan to hockey.
You make an excellent point about Youth Hockey. Ice hockey, unlike football baseball or basketball, requires a rink, and those are few and far between.
I played organized football and baseball when I was a kid, and it usually cost about 25 bucks to get in those leagues.
After my parents vanished when I was a teen, I was raised by my aunt and my cousin didn't like baseball and football. But he liked hockey. Unfortunately it was a few hundred dollars for his equipment. A lot of parents simply couldn't afford that much money.
Then there's the issue of the availability of ice hockey rinks
I still vividly remember waking up at 5:00am to be out at the rink in North Hollywood (Laurel Plaza) at 6:00am for practice. Four teams we're allotted 45 minutes each in the morning.
My cousin's coach had a great idea to practice on the tarmac at Bancroft Junior High School in Hollywood, and that's where I got to play practice goalie since I couldn't skate.
Even though kids were either in tennis shoes or on roller skates, at least they can get some form of practice in because 45 minutes a week is not a whole lot.
But the logistics involved in Youth Hockey are nothing like baseball, basketball or football. The only equipment requiremed was rented helmets and shoulder pads for football,, and most kids already had bats and gloves for baseball. So all that was needed was a field, and there's plenty of those around. And of course soccer only requires a ball and a field.
Ice hockey is just too much trouble for most parents, even if the kids can skate and want to play hockey.
It's just the reality of the situation, and it definitely affects fandom moving forward.
 
Hockey will always be a niche sport. You either love the game or you don't. The casual fan does not go to a bar to watch back-to-back to back hockey games on Sat or Sun during the fall and winter months, however they do for football, even if just for the atmosphere.

We know hockey is a great sport to watch, baseball is beyond boring, however you don't always have to pay attention to a baseball game. You do in hockey! Most fans turn the channel during a baseball game only to come back to it later, after they realize they haven't had the game on for 30 minutes.

I blame the parents as well. Most don't know much about hockey, and they tend to push their kids into team sports that they are familiar with and close by like soccer and baseball. It's easy, pull up a lawn chair and relax. Most parents don't want to have to drive their kids 30 minutes or more to go to a rink and have to sit there bundled up for a 9:00pm or 6:00am practice.

There isn't a huge marketable player in the NHL. There is no Mahome's, Kelce x2. For the most part NHL players are humble without huge egos. ESPN loves huge egos. They will show a 6'9 man dunk a b-ball over and over rather than an NHL player making an incredible shot, while falling down. The kids growing up today, if not playing youth hockey are not watching hockey.
Lastly, Will Ferrell in the stands is not bringing the casual fan to hockey.
Don't blame the parents for being "lazy" or uninformed on the sport. That's probably a small percentage.
The real story is how cost prohibitive youth ice hockey is to play versus soccer, baseball, basketball.

The cost for ice hockey league fees, equipment, ice time is massively expensive compared to virtually any other major sport.


There is another thing that people forget about is the learning curve to skate.
If you are a kid that has never skated, you can't just get on the ice and play hockey, it's going to take you weeks of skating lessons, and ice time to get to a point where you can skate well enough to start playing hockey and learning stick skills, more complex skating skills, and of course, the game.

That takes more time and more money,.

Meanwhile any kid can run, kick, throw, catch, swing, dribble....so jumping into a recreational league for nearly any other sport is easy, and you can do it on day one.

But again, the BIGGEST hurdle for youth hockey is $$$$$$.
It's a "rich kids" sport. No disrespect, but that's what it is.

...and that is an obstacle to overcome for NHL marketing for youth fans.
If you don't have the $$, then hockey is a foreign to a kid as Cricket.
 
Don't blame the parents for being "lazy" or uninformed on the sport. That's probably a small percentage.
The real story is how cost prohibitive youth ice hockey is to play versus soccer, baseball, basketball.

The cost for ice hockey league fees, equipment, ice time is massively expensive compared to virtually any other major sport.


There is another thing that people forget about is the learning curve to skate.
If you are a kid that has never skated, you can't just get on the ice and play hockey, it's going to take you weeks of skating lessons, and ice time to get to a point where you can skate well enough to start playing hockey and learning stick skills, more complex skating skills, and of course, the game.

That takes more time and more money,.

Meanwhile any kid can run, kick, throw, catch, swing, dribble....so jumping into a recreational league for nearly any other sport is easy, and you can do it on day one.

But again, the BIGGEST hurdle for youth hockey is $$$$$$.
It's a "rich kids" sport. No disrespect, but that's what it is.

...and that is an obstacle to overcome for NHL marketing for youth fans.
If you don't have the $$, then hockey is a foreign to a kid as Cricket.
That's it in a nutshell: The cost.

Breaking down the numbers...

...my Pop Warner team, the Burbank Vikings, cost $25.00 a season from 1969 to 1972, and that covered the cost of renting shoulder pads and helmets. Team sponsors and/or the city paid for the uniforms. Baseball only required that you have your own glove. The team sponsors paid for all the other equipment.

My cousin was a spoiled brat and my aunt had a two-story house in the Hollywood Hills. In 1973 and 1974, his youth hockey equipment ran between $300.00 to $400.00 a season. There were no poor kids on his team. One of his teammates was Dodd Darin, son of Bobby Darin and Sandra Dee. He arrived at practice and games in a limo with Sandra and his grandmother.

A former employee of mine is a huge Kings fan and he has a son that plays youth ice hockey in Santa Clarita. His equipment runs between $2,500.00 and $3,000.00 a season.

That's actually spot-on accurate when you consider that the value of a dollar has increased approximately 700% in that timeframe.

And there's what, half a dozen ice rinks in the entire Southern California area? So you have to factor in the cost of travelling to these various rinks for practice and games. Meanwhile there are literally thousands of little league baseball teams and playing fields in the same region. And virtually every high school has a football field.

That makes ice hockey an elite sport for kids. There are not a lot of poor kids playing ice hockey.
 
That's it in a nutshell: The cost.
Breaking down the numbers...

...my Pop Warner team, the Burbank Vikings, cost $25.00 a season from 1969 to 1972, and that covered the cost of renting shoulder pads and helmets. Team sponsors and/or the city paid for the uniforms. Baseball only required that you have your own glove. The team sponsors paid for all the other equipment.

My cousin was a spoiled brat and my aunt had a two-story house in the Hollywood Hills. In 1973 and 1974, his youth hockey equipment ran between $300.00 to $400.00 a season. There were no poor kids on his team. One of his teammates was Dodd Darin, son of Bobby Darin and Sandra Dee. He arrived at practice and games in a limo with Sandra and his grandmother.

A former employee of mine is a huge Kings fan and he has a son that plays youth ice hockey in Santa Clarita. His equipment runs between $2,500.00 and $3,000.00 a season.

That's actually spot-on accurate when you consider that the value of a dollar has increased approximately 700% in that timeframe.

And there's what, half a dozen ice rinks in the entire Southern California area? So you have to factor in the cost of travelling to these various rinks for practice and games. Meanwhile there are literally thousands of little league baseball teams and playing fields in the same region. And virtually every high school has a football field.

That makes ice hockey an elite sport for kids. There are not a lot of poor kids playing ice hockey.
Funny you mentioned the Burbank Vikings, I was with the Glendale Bears.

My son played ice hockey for eight years and yes, the cost of league dues, tournaments, equipment and out of state tournaments was costly. When we would tell other parents that my son plays hockey, a lot of them did not understand.

When my son decided not to play travel baseball anymore and just concentrate on hockey, the baseball parents thought we were nuts. Some parents had no idea that there were other sports other than soccer, football, basketball and baseball. When we told them our hockey practice schedule, some said no way would we drive that far at that time. It is a huge commitment, however the joy it brought to our son, was priceless, less the injuries that he suffered.
 
In Chicago mini has played travel hockey (A-AA) from mites to high school. Our cheapest season cost a little over 5k, before equipment. AAA hockey registration for those same seasons would be 8-10k, before equipment and before travel. Thats right before travel, parents whose kids are lucky enough to make one of the 5 AAA charters in the state are expected to have their kid at the game 1 hour before puck drop where it is. Typical season budget they recommend is 15k.
House hockey is significantly cheaper but even at 1 practice and 1 game per week it's $1000/season. Again plus equipment.
 
That's it in a nutshell: The cost.

Funny you mentioned the Burbank Vikings, I was with the Glendale Bears.

My son played ice hockey for eight years and yes, the cost of league dues, tournaments, equipment and out of state tournaments was costly. When we would tell other parents that my son plays hockey, a lot of them did not understand.

When my son decided not to play travel baseball anymore and just concentrate on hockey, the baseball parents thought we were nuts. Some parents had no idea that there were other sports other than soccer, football, basketball and baseball. When we told them our hockey practice schedule, some said no way would we drive that far at that time. It is a huge commitment, however the joy it brought to our son, was priceless, less the injuries that he suffered.
It takes a lot of time and dedication to play youth ice hockey, that's for sure. And it ain't cheap.

I wanted to play so badly...but I couldn't even stand up on skates, much less move around. Not for lack of effort...I had so many people try to teach me...I just had zero balance. My cousin Jon, on the other hand, was a natural skater. So was his sister. And Jon was not only built like Rob Blake, he looked like Blake. And checked like Blake (rear end first).

The Glendale Bears, despite being right next door to Burbank, were somehow in a different league. We played them once, a non-conference game at Hoover High. And the game ended with a full-on brawl. Even the coaches were involved. And it all started with an ill-timed safety blitz. I was center and the safety blitzed WAY too early, before I even snapped the ball. He stepped right on my hand and broke it. Then everyone started fighting and the game was called early since it was non-conference. Some parents even charged out of the stands and started throwing punches.

My biggest regret was I was not involved in the fight. I desperately wanted to punch SOMEONE, but I was on the ground screaming, staring at the broken bone sticking out of the back of my hand.

Good times!

Which brings up another problem wth youth sports: Overzealous parents. Some of the parents took it WAY too seriously, even though the kids just wanted to have fun. I think the movie "The Bad News Bears" sums it up perfectly. Parents start dreaming of their kids becoming pros and getting rich, etc. If it weren't so pathetic, it would be hilarious. And the kids always paid the price.
 
I think the biggest problem with ESPN and TNT is that most people don't take their broadcast seriously. And quite honestly, that is how they present it as well. Think of how TSN and HNIC do their broadcasts. They treat every game as if it were the SC Finals.

Speaking for myself, I only will watch a game on ESPN or TNT if the Kings are playing or there is no other alternative. It is almost like they treat it as a novelty.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.
 
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