Seth Jones on the market rumors

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Seth Jones is reportedly going to be traded. Kings are reported as being in the hunt. It's not Zach but hey he's still pretty good. From portzline and pronman at the athletic they put together this offering.

Potential trade package: Center Adrian Kempe, center prospect Akil Thomas, defenseman Tobias Bjornfot and a first-round pick in 2022 (lottery protected

Seems steep, but maybe they make that lottery protection conditioned on a new contract?
 
Seth Jones is reportedly going to be traded. Kings are reported as being in the hunt. It's not Zach but hey he's still pretty good. From portzline and pronman at the athletic they put together this offering.



Seems steep, but maybe they make that lottery protection conditioned on a new contract?

That IS steep. Take out Bjornfot, and substitute this year's #8 pick for the pick next year, and then it's doable, if and only if, of course, Jones signs an extension. If he doesn't agree to, then Blake should hang up the phone.
 
That IS steep. Take out Bjornfot, and substitute this year's #8 pick for the pick next year, and then it's doable, if and only if, of course, Jones signs an extension. If he doesn't agree to, then Blake should hang up the phone.

I don't know, I'd still drop Thomas out of that, no? Kempe and a first seems like a hell of a lot to me. Am I blinded by my homer-ism here?
 
that seems like a massive overpay for a guy that isn't signed long term. I'd much rather look at something centered around the 8OA and Thomas. And even then, without any assurance of an extension, im not sure i'd be going after Jones.
 
This was written with the cbus beat writer so view it closer to the ask. I think from their side they say yes for sure. Key point is Davidson said he's going.
 
The "steep" part here, IMO, is Bjornfot since he's a LD and Jones is a RD. If the Kings are looking for LDs they are going in the wrong direction.

Otherwise this deal isn't too bad for the Kings....as long as Jones signs extension. If not, then Blake should look elsewhere. Also, I hear that Philly is interested in Jones big-time so that might drive the price up.

jom
 
that seems like a massive overpay for a guy that isn't signed long term. I'd much rather look at something centered around the 8OA and Thomas. And even then, without any assurance of an extension, im not sure i'd be going after Jones.

How would you feel if he was signed long-term along with this? I'm not sure. Still seems like too much to me, but again I always have the Kings-homer blinders on.

I just think it's too much for a guy who is being over-valued. It's one of those typical situations to me - he's good, very good and there's not a lot of players available of his caliber for trade right now. As a result, someone is going to overdo it and this guy will be bought out in five or six years.
 
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How would you feel if he was signed long-term along with this? I'm not sure. Still seems like too much to me, but again I always have the Kings-homer blinders on.

I just think it's too much for a guy who is being over-valued. It's one of those typical situations to me - he's good, very good and there's not a lot of players available of his caliber for trade right now. As a result, someone is going to overdo it and this guy will be bought out in five or six years.

Personally, i think that's too much even if he's signed long term. If you look at his fancy stats, he's been declining a bit. That could turn around, but it's concerning. I do see arguments for how good he is and what he'd bring to the team. But that's a pretty large haul for any player. I think you could do better if that's the ask.
 
So, not sure what's happening but I haven't had that "July 1st feeling" from this board in a minute (read: never).

Robert Bowley Blake, boy, you need to stop.

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The "steep" part here, IMO, is Bjornfot since he's a LD and Jones is a RD. If the Kings are looking for LDs they are going in the wrong direction.

Otherwise this deal isn't too bad for the Kings....as long as Jones signs extension. If not, then Blake should look elsewhere. Also, I hear that Philly is interested in Jones big-time so that might drive the price up.

jom

Very much agree! Bjornfot should be a keeper. If a D needs to go back add Clague.
 
Personally, i think that's too much even if he's signed long term. If you look at his fancy stats, he's been declining a bit. That could turn around, but it's concerning. I do see arguments for how good he is and what he'd bring to the team. But that's a pretty large haul for any player. I think you could do better if that's the ask.

This is true. He's been declining the last 2 years and last year he was near the bottom.
 
This is true. He's been declining the last 2 years and last year he was near the bottom.

He's still only 26 so there's absolutely time for him to get back to where he was. But there's just too many issues with him (the stats, the lack of term, the stated intent to test FA) that i don't see any reason to give up nearly as much as is being suggested. We're not in a midseason rental situation. Playoffs aren't even guaranteed and the possibility of this trade simply blowing up in our face is too high. If Blake sent anywhere near the ask, we somehow still missed the playoffs, and Jones didnt re-sign. I'd be asking for Blake to be fired.
 
Seth Jones is reportedly going to be traded. Kings are reported as being in the hunt. It's not Zach but hey he's still pretty good. From portzline and pronman at the athletic they put together this offering.



Seems steep, but maybe they make that lottery protection conditioned on a new contract?

I'm probably the biggest Seth Jones fan around here but even I wouldn't offer up that much in trade. Columbus is dealing from a position of weakness. They have an asset that is about to drop in value as we approach the draft/season. The window to move him for max return is open now through the pre-season. If he starts the season in a Blue Jackets jersey his value is significantly lowered and they may just have him play out the season then let him walk.

If I were Blake I would present my best offer right now. Put the ball in their court and just wait them out. If he's still available after the draft then make a slightly lesser offer. Either way I really hope Blake kicks the tires on this kid. I fully believe his best hockey is in front of him.
 
I'm probably the biggest Seth Jones fan around here but even I wouldn't offer up that much in trade. Columbus is dealing from a position of weakness. They have an asset that is about to drop in value as we approach the draft/season. The window to move him for max return is open now through the pre-season. If he starts the season in a Blue Jackets jersey his value is significantly lowered and they may just have him play out the season then let him walk.

If I were Blake I would present my best offer right now. Put the ball in their court and just wait them out. If he's still available after the draft then make a slightly lesser offer. Either way I really hope Blake kicks the tires on this kid. I fully believe his best hockey is in front of him.

The thing is, gms constantly let these kind of D walk. Think about Willie Mitchell, Scuderi, hell how on earth does Scott Niedermayer walk. Does Blake pull the trigger early to get the 20/20 obvious piece? That's what this reeks of.
 
Has Jones indicated to anyone that he's open to signing a contract before FA?
Until he does, the Kings have no business anywhere near him.
And even then, the deal will be for age years 28-35. Sorry if I'm not excited for another high dollar, in his 30's, player.
 
The "steep" part here, IMO, is Bjornfot since he's a LD and Jones is a RD. If the Kings are looking for LDs they are going in the wrong direction.

Otherwise this deal isn't too bad for the Kings....as long as Jones signs extension. If not, then Blake should look elsewhere. Also, I hear that Philly is interested in Jones big-time so that might drive the price up.

jom

Instead of Bjornfot, the deal should involve Walker since he & Jones are both righties.
 
To accept the logic behind package proposed by Pronman, et al., one has to accept the false-premise of the article, which was that the price SJ paid for Karlsson was appropriate. From the day that trade happened, everybody (except SJ fans) has said they WAY overpaid, and history has proven that belief to be accurate. So there's little value in saying "because Karlsson was traded for X, Jones will be traded for Y". While the authors attempt to close the logical gap by degrading the return for Jones (alleging that Jones is less valuable than Karlsson, which also gives me pause), they ignore the fact that the cost for Karlsson wasn't market value at the time. It was a desperate team overpaying to get one last kick at the can before the window slammed shut. That's not the Kings situation...not at all. Jones' return won't be anywhere near these combinations unless a team has ensured they'll have him locked up long term. While this isn't at all implausible, even then these bounties are too high.

I'd also say that the #8 pick in this years draft will be more valuable than next year's first round pick. The lack of fanfare around this draft is a result of lack of exposure, not lack of talent. There will be a career NHLer available at #8 , and next year's #12-16 won't be as valuable.

When Jones is traded, expect to see a quick contract extension or a sign and trade, at least if Jarmo learned anything from last summer. In the case of guaranteed term, I could see something like a 1st round pick ('21 or '22), and one of LA's less than elite center prospects (basically Q and Turcotte being untouchable). If Kempe is involved, the pick gets downgraded to a 2nd and a lower grade prospect may come into play.

I'm thinking he goes to Colorado, as they are in a position to justify overpaying, as SJ did with Karlsson, but then again, Jarmo has not impressed me with his savvy.
 
Why is everybody concerned about him not playing on the left side? He drives the play like Doughty does, so he can easily be paired up with a less experienced left-side defenseman and give the team fantastic defensive depth. There's nothing to dislike about acquiring Jones, except for the potential of excessive cost.
 

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