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Re: Kopitar’s speed - Kopi’s top skating speed in this years playoffs: 20.98 MPH. He had 9 bursts over 20 MPH.
Phil Danault in this years playoffs: 20.95 MPH w/6 bursts over 20 MPH.

Just something to consider.
 
DryKing said:
Ah that makes sense regarding Kempe. Kempe is probably the King, currently, which gets the most amount of praise from opposing fans (many stating they wish they had him on their team). I don't know how well that translates to being well known within the league (in terms of GMs/Coaches) but I feel he is pretty well known though still a bit under the radar when it comes to media. If we were to lock up Kempe, long-term, at a $10m AAV my thought is that that would be a fair deal for both sides. Kempe has shown he is a playoff perfomer, capable of being a 40 goal scorer, adds leadership on the ice and most of all has a ton of heart. He has also been underpaid for a long time, and has shown a great deal of team loyalty. The Kings need to bring in a player to help him reach his ceiling, however, such as Marner or a great playmaker to take over once Kopi retires.

On Kuz I totally agree. I think he's a solid $4m AAV player but was not very effective come playoff time. He is also slow and small, which is not a great combo. Also I feel Turcotte provides more value at LW than he does, which leaves that position relatively full (pending a trade). That said, he makes our PP a world better and has great hockey sense in the offensive zone. Really it comes down to who the Kings are able to sign, or trade, in the offseason, and if they want to keep him aligned with Kopi for the duration of Kopi's contract as the two have worked well together. Kuz showed a williness to play both sides of the ice and committed to the D zone so bringing him back would be great if the price is right and a roster spot exists.

Next season is hopefully the season we see Kempe lined up with Byfield as they have excellent synergy together and can take advantage of both players speed. That leaves a potential spot on Kopi's line (though, again, I think the Kings are better served with alinging Turcotte to Kopi next season).
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What planet are you living on?
 
Halfwall said:
What planet are you living on?
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With all due respect, if you want to cherry pick a comment and come at me do it with some backing.

Here are things to consider with Kuz:

Playoff stats:

Corsi (EV) CF% 46.0
Fenwick
FF% 43.2
FF% Rel -2.3
PDO 93
oiSH% 7.5

Those numbers were all significantly down compared to his performance in the regular season.

Stats (playoffs):

Total hits 5
Takeaways 0
Giveaways 8
Shots blocked (per game) 0.5
Percentage of shifts started in the offensive zone 20.3%
Percentage of shifts started in the defensive zone 6.8%

Now his shooting percentage, goals above expected, Thru % and PP efficiency were all excellent. Outside of that, and especially at 5 X 5, there wasn't a ton of contribution.
 
DryKing said:
With all due respect, if you want to cherry pick a comment and come at me do it with some backing.

Here are things to consider with Kuz:

Playoff stats:

Corsi (EV) CF% 46.0
Fenwick
FF% 43.2
FF% Rel -2.3
PDO 93
oiSH% 7.5

Those numbers were all significantly down compared to his performance in the regular season.

Stats (playoffs):

Total hits 5
Takeaways 0
Giveaways 8
Shots blocked (per game) 0.5
Percentage of shifts started in the offensive zone 20.3%
Percentage of shifts started in the defensive zone 6.8%

Now his shooting percentage, goals above expected, Thru % and PP efficiency were all excellent. Outside of that, and especially at 5 X 5, there wasn't a ton of contribution.
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"there wasn't a ton of contribution". Other than a point per game. Sure, he was a -5 but compare that to linemates Kopitar and Kempe.
 
Halfwall said:
"there wasn't a ton of contribution". Other than a point per game. Sure, he was a -5 but compare that to linemates Kopitar and Kempe.
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Again you are unsuccessfully trying to cherry pick a comment. I specially said "Now his shooting percentage, goals above expected, Thru % and PP efficiency were all excellent. Outside of that, and especially at 5 X 5, there wasn't a ton of contribution."

You also are not addressing his 5X5 shortcomings. Sure he is an excellent PP specialist, but what else? Most of the game is played outside of the PP, within which his contributions were minimal. Pair this with the fact he regularly lined up with our top center, and top wing, and it's fair to expect more from him.
 
Statue4Deano said:
Re: Kopitar’s speed - Kopi’s top skating speed in this years playoffs: 20.98 MPH. He had 9 bursts over 20 MPH.
Phil Danault in this years playoffs: 20.95 MPH w/6 bursts over 20 MPH.

Just something to consider.
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If I recall these numbers are down from their regular season numbers. Not all Kings players experienced the same decline in top speed during the playoffs.
 
DryKing said:
Again you are unsuccessfully trying to cherry pick a comment. I specially said "Now his shooting percentage, goals above expected, Thru % and PP efficiency were all excellent. Outside of that, and especially at 5 X 5, there wasn't a ton of contribution."

You also are not addressing his 5X5 shortcomings. Sure he is an excellent PP specialist, but what else? Most of the game is played outside of the PP, within which his contributions were minimal. Pair this with the fact he regularly lined up with our top center, and top wing, and it's fair to expect more from him.
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The review of Kuzmenko was mixed. Some good, some not as good. Which is really again making the point that there is uncertainty about trying to bring him back.
The problem is it’s a small sample size with the Kings. He’s had an inconsistent career. All of which factors in. And the 5.5 cap hit Kuzmenko was under seems too much based on the stats.
4M for a couple years seems right, but I don’t think that’s enough to get him.
I will be curious to see if his semi-resurgence with the Kings resonated around the other GM’s.
 
DoubleMinor said:
The review of Kuzmenko was mixed. Some good, some not as good. Which is really again making the point that there is uncertainty about trying to bring him back.
The problem is it’s a small sample size with the Kings. He’s had an inconsistent career. All of which factors in. And the 5.5 cap hit Kuzmenko was under seems too much based on the stats.
4M for a couple years seems right, but I don’t think that’s enough to get him.
I will be curious to see if his semi-resurgence with the Kings resonated around the other GM’s.
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He's such a hard player to gauge, in terms of value. He has a career 20.7 shooting percentage which is nutty. If we look at his best season, he has a SPCT of 27.3 which screams "anomaly" as that is nearly impossible to maintain. The years he struggled, he has a SPCT of 12.7 (good) and 10.3 (average) but still failed to produce. All-in, he needs to maintain a SPCT of at least 15 to be effective (for reference, Kempe, our best goal scorer, has only done this once in his career).

His career PPG is solid at 0.72 and his +/- isn't bad for a player who feeds off the PP (power play points make up 32% of his point totals). This tells me he's not weak when it comes to the defensive zone.

On the flip side, he is injury prone, small and doesn't contribute much outside of points - so he really is a feast or famine player. How do you price such a guy?

I'd estimate his value is anywhere from high 4's to the low 6's.
 
DryKing said:
He's such a hard player to gauge, in terms of value. He has a career 20.7 shooting percentage which is nutty. If we look at his best season, he has a SPCT of 27.3 which screams "anomaly" as that is nearly impossible to maintain. The years he struggled, he has a SPCT of 12.7 (good) and 10.3 (average) but still failed to produce. All-in, he needs to maintain a SPCT of at least 15 to be effective (for reference, Kempe, our best goal scorer, has only done this once in his career).

His career PPG is solid at 0.72 and his +/- isn't bad for a player who feeds off the PP (power play points make up 32% of his point totals). This tells me he's not weak when it comes to the defensive zone.

On the flip side, he is injury prone, small and doesn't contribute much outside of points - so he really is a feast or famine player. How do you price such a guy?

I'd estimate his value is anywhere from high 4's to the low 6's.
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Hey, dryguy you're throwing up great stats and I'm here for it but I want you to consider this: He has chemistry with Kopitar. How many seasons of Jean-Luc Picard cringing have we witnessed Anze not vibing with a linemate? It's his last year, let him have it. We have the wiggle room and the roster space. Not saying it should be the "factor" but omitting it as a factor, is concerning.
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What party? said:
Hey, dryguy you're throwing up great stats and I'm here for it but I want you to consider this: He has chemistry with Kopitar. How many seasons of Jean-Luc Picard cringing have we witnessed Anze not vibing with a linemate? It's his last year, let him have it. We have the wiggle room and the roster space. Not saying it should be the "factor" but omitting it as a factor, is concerning.
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Agreed, I mentioned in an earlier post that perhaps the Kings offer him a contract that aligns with Kopi's remaining term. To be fair, though, Turcotte has also shown strong chemistry on a line with Kopi/Kempe. Both Turcotte and Kuz have shown in inability to stay healthy, though, so having both doesn't hurt.

I'm not advocating *not* to sign Kuz to an extension - but I wouldn't overpay (especially in regards to term) to do so. Kings desperately need a PP guy, and if they are unable to land one of the top FA forwards this offseason, then Kuz is a good option.

DryKing said:
On Kuz I totally agree. I think he's a solid $4m AAV player but was not very effective come playoff time. He is also slow and small, which is not a great combo. Also I feel Turcotte provides more value at LW than he does, which leaves that position relatively full (pending a trade). That said, he makes our PP a world better and has great hockey sense in the offensive zone. Really it comes down to who the Kings are able to sign, or trade, in the offseason, and if they want to keep him aligned with Kopi for the duration of Kopi's contract as the two have worked well together. Kuz showed a williness to play both sides of the ice and committed to the D zone so bringing him back would be great if the price is right and a roster spot exists.
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"According to multiple reports, the Vegas Golden Knights are emerging as a very realistic landing spot for top free agent Mitch Marner."

OH COME ON
 
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Please No, if Holland wants a legit 4C I'd like him to go hard after Jack Roslovic, could easily play 12/13 minutes night, is younger and is a Right shot, which we need at center, if you could roll 4 legit lines over and over and keep minutes more evened out among lines, would only benefit team, but who know with Hiller.

Perfect world we sign Jack, trade Danault with mid tier prospect for Pavel Zacha and roll QB Zacha Kopi And Roslovic down the middle
 
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