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When should be expecting Merle to make a real appearance? The finale or next season?
 
Dexter said:
When should be expecting Merle to make a real appearance? The finale or next season?
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My big guess is next season ... UNLESS ... the group of 30 on the outskirts of the farm show up this week as well. I would bet big $$$ that he is in charge of that group ...
 
adgy-san said:
Couldn't disagree more.

Enjoy the show immensely (warts and all). Love the **** out of the comic book.
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I agree with adgy. Love the show and the books.

Also, I guess I'm the only one who was annoyed with Shane going crazy every episode. I was kind of happy they finally killed him off, although I think they could have done it a lot better. Then again, I don't really watch many movies or hour long weekly tv shows (like the rest of you seem to,) so I don't take character development or other possibilities into account. That's why I like reading these threads, you guys all have great opinions and introduce me to new shows and occasionally new movies.
 
Palffy3314 said:
I agree with adgy. Love the show and the books.

Also, I guess I'm the only one who was annoyed with Shane going crazy every episode. I was kind of happy they finally killed him off, although I think they could have done it a lot better. Then again, I don't really watch many movies or hour long weekly tv shows (like the rest of you seem to,) so I don't take character development or other possibilities into account. That's why I like reading these threads, you guys all have great opinions and introduce me to new shows and occasionally new movies.
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Yeah, neither did the writers, so you are in good company. I was annoyed with Shane's uncharacteristic slide into whackadoo county too. There was no subtlety. Funny, when they finally gave his character shades of grey(Lori's apology/his realization that Rick wasn't being a good parent) they KILL him.

And I have to figure Merle is going to take a back seat to the Governor next season. It would be wise for them to hold a card or two. But the way they are killing characters wholesale just to generate what folks are mistaking for drama, they will probably burn through the better parts of the story in no time. Looking forward to this weeks death toll on the finale' cause that makes good tv. Hooray.

Was nice to see that CHUCK was on Talking Dead.
 
If that rumored casting of a certain hated actress from True Blood is going to happen, argh. :violin:
 
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So. That was ok. More dead weight gone although T-Dog is still around. He got a few lines and some stuff to do so, good for him. And we got our first look at Michonne, who 'wasn't' going to be in season 2. Ok. So now we got the new bad boy Rick. Meh. Didn't like him in the comics and not impressed now either. And what's with Lori reeling from him. She practically told him to kill Shane a few episodes ago. She's annoying. Glad Andrea made it. The discussion between Carol and Darryl was pretty interesting. What was the structure in the end shot though? I wonder if that was the prison from the comics or the Governer's place. Ok, I'm in for season 3. Let's hope they get their **** together and own it from episode 1.
 
Regarding tonight's Dead all in all it was a zombie fest. A couple of good reveals but some stuff is entirely hard for me to understand (Lori's reaction, Rick's reaction - although I liked that one - Lori can just be killed off in my opinion). Interesting finale. Watched Talking Dead and both Mazzera and Kirkman guarantee a "great" 3rd season. We will see.
 
Season finale review: The Walking Dead - Behind the Dying Fire: Aint gonna work on Herschels farm no more - HitFix.com

And I'd like to think that, based on things Glen Mazzara has said in various interviews, on Twitter, etc., that everyone is very much aware of the pacing problems this season had, and that they'll go into season 3 much wiser about how much mileage any one story idea has in it. The characterization of virtually everyone but Rick is just as big a problem, and one that's not as easily solved, but maybe with a full hiatus, more stability at the top, etc., season 3 will be stronger, tighter, and deeper than the season we just finished.

I'm sure fans of the comics were excited to see Andrea rescued by that creepy hooded figure, and/or to see that glimpse of the prison off in the distance of the final shot, as both of those are from a very popular period in the books. At the same time, I'll remind you of the spoiler rules I'm running (see below), and that our focus here is on this as a TV show, and that we're not going to give things away for people who haven't read the comic yet. AMC has announced who will be cast as the hooded figure, and HitFix should have a separate story about that up later this evening. I'll link to it when it's up and you can discuss this development to your heart's content there. And comic knowledge or not, Andrea's rescue was one of the cooler moments in the finale.

But despite various good action beats, and a palpable sense of desperation throughout, I worry that my enduring thoughts of this episode are going to be of my irritation throughout with Lori Grimes. Once again, she doesn't notice that her son has gone missing until it's far too late, when after what happened with Sophia you would expect her to manacle the kid to her right leg. And then when Rick tells her that he killed Shane, and how and why, she recoils from him like he's a monster... when she was the one trying to Lady Macbeth him into the idea of killing Shane only a few episodes before. With Shane dead, at least I no longer have to wonder why two men are fighting so obsessively over this maddening, often incredibly stupid woman, but she's still a major part of the show, and very little of what she does makes any sense to me.

At least Rick's meltdown in front of the group was something the show had built to. Shane pushed Rick very far and very hard, and to have to flee the relative paradise of the farm immediately on the heels of killing his best friend ? and having Jenner's secret confirmed by Shane's immediate resurrection ? had to put him at a breaking point. Not that he's wanted this authority ? or, frankly, been very good with how he's used it ? but he spent most of this season having it questioned by Shane, by Herschel and Dale and Andrea and everyone else, and things are more of a mess than ever. And I can see Rick losing it and declaring the end of their democratic experiment.

And it helps that the one declaring this new dictatorship is the central character, and one of the few people the show has both consistently focused on and kept consistent in its writing. If it were Andrea or T-Dog or Lori trying to appoint themselves emperor, the moment doesn't play, but this is the one guy we know, understand and mostly still like.

What his new attitude ? and the rest of the group's distrust of him ? means is something we'll have to wait until the fall to find out. Right now, I'm just glad this part of the story is over. "The Walking Dead" continues to do just enough right for me to stick with it, and just enough wrong to irritate me several times a week.

Some other thoughts:

* Rest in peace, whatsisname and Mrs. Otis. (And, yes, I did figure out here that he was Jimmy and she was Patricia.) Mazzara groused on Twitter a few weeks ago that people should be glad they didn't give Jimmy any real screentime, considering how much people complained about the Beth suicide subplot. The problem with the Beth story wasn't that she got screentime, but that the show waited so damn long to give her anything meaningful to do that it felt silly. I worry that we're at that point with T-Dog and Carol and some of the other survivors, where they've been around long enough that we're expected to care about them purely by longevity, but where they're paper-thin compared to the likes of Rick or Daryl. (See also the attempt to make us upset that non-entity Sophia had been killed.) Hopefully, whatever new characters turn up in season 3 will be used more prominently in much shorter order.

* In addition to the crack marksmanship, those people were carrying guns that apparently held a lot of rounds. I was glad at least to see that Rick was using Carl/Daryl's semi-automatic pistol while escaping the barn, as his revolver would be out after only six zombies went down.

* Glen makes a comment about how the zombies seemed to be migrating. In the teaser, we see a group in Atlanta start moving, apparently inspired by the helicopter, but would that really be enough to keep them going and going (and picking up more and more stragglers) on their way to Herschel's farm? Or is there something else going on with their behavior that'll wind up being just as important as the news that everyone is infected?

* Not sure if Herschel's line about Christ's promise of a Resurrection ? "I just thought he had a little something different in mind" ? was intended as a laugh line, but I chuckled.
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I laughed my ass off at that line.
 
jerseydevil said:
And what's with Lori reeling from him. She practically told him to kill Shane a few episodes ago. She's annoying.
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She's probably the most poorly-written character. I think most people can suspend their disbelief about a zombie apocalypse, and even let a few characters act irrationally, but she's just a little too out there.

I think every time you invoke a "seriously? SERIOUSLY!?" reaction to one of your characters, you start pulling viewers out of their suspension of disbelief and remind them that it's just a melodrama.
 
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