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[NastiMarvasti]

Considering Walt dies, Jesse escapes with permanent scars, Hank dies, Flynn loses his father physically and emotionally, and many other lives are ruined, I would call it a happy ending. The best outcome out of what was available perhaps, but not happy.

The episode itself wasn't the best episode they ever did, but I feel satisfied. No loose ends and no feeling of unfinished business. I agree with those who say that Gus was a much better villain. Part of that has to do with how interesting of a character he was, and part of it is because Giancarlo Esposito is a badass. And I definitely missed Mike this season.

 

[Kubrick]

The more I think about it, the more I think Jesse will have to go back to cooking meth. He's officially a fugitive with zero funds and no legal way to earn a living without alerting the authorities. He's pretty much ****ed unless he turns himself in and lawyers up. Better call Sa... wait. Never mind.

 

[adgy-san]

The more I think about it, the more I think Jesse will have to go back to cooking meth. He's officially a fugitive with zero funds and no legal way to earn a living without alerting the authorities. He's pretty much ****ed unless he turns himself in and lawyers up. Better call Sa... wait. Never mind.

Is he actually a fugitive, though? Do we know that Hank and Gomez didn't inform anyone else about the whole thing? I don't remember whether or not that was explicitly stated, but you'd think Marie would have let them know.

Also, I feel bad for Huell.

 

[santiclaws]

Is he actually a fugitive, though? Do we know that Hank and Gomez didn't inform anyone else about the whole thing? I don't remember whether or not that was explicitly stated, but you'd think Marie would have let them know.

Also, I feel bad for Huell.

Presumably Hank would still have Jesse's tape in the house. Wonder if he still had Walter's DVD in the house, too....

Maybe they should do a sequel. Return to (Vince) Gilligan's Island.

 

[lunchbox]

Now, if they had closed the show with a glimpse 10 years into the future with Junior gleefully accepting his cash; Jesse and Brock like father and son; Skyler and Marie both happily remarried; etc., THEN any and all criticism would be deserved.

i totally agree. that would have been lame city. i did wonder if jesse would look after brock now that his mom is out of the picture but then i remembered he's got his grandmother (andrea's mom). it would've been too much of a fairytale ending to put that and all the above into a flashforward at the end.

The box scene was one of the saddest moments of the episode. If you recall early in the show Jesse shared at a group meeting that if he could do anything without worrying about money he'd work with his hands. He shared how he had taken a woodworking class where he built a wooden box for his project, and that inspired him to keep working on them until he made one that he thought was perfect. But in the end he ended up trading it for some pot. Great scene showing Jesse realizing all his wasted potential.

i remembered he was into woodworking when i saw that scene, but i totally forgot all these details. thanks for observing and pointing that out. it really brings more meaning to that scene for me.
personally, i agree, there were better episodes but i felt like this one was one of the best ways to tie everything to a close. there weren't too many OMG jaw dropping surprises for me in this one, but no disappointments. i think what also took some of the surprise away for me was that a lot of peoples' predictions that i'd read were pretty accurate. (ie. walt poisons lydia, kills nazis, saves jesse, dies.) the scene with the schwartzes was a great one though. i honestly thought he would go in and kill them or do something out of revenge. but it turns out he really thought up a clever plan to give his son the money and it fit right in with his character.
that scene where he visited skyler was great also. kind of sad when he put his hand on holly's head. just the right amount of emotion there without going overboard.

Walt should have given Jesse the location of the cabin in NH.

He could have spent his life building wooden boxes.

once the DEA and the cops were alerted to his presence at the bar, i'm assuming they also searched the area and eventually found his hideout. not safe to run away to for anyone anymore.

 

[santiclaws]

I think it would have ended much better if he had just stayed in NH and become a lumberjack

And wore women's clothing and hung around in bars. Now THAT would have been a controversial ending.

 

[kluka68]

The more I think about it, the more I think Jesse will have to go back to cooking meth. He's officially a fugitive with zero funds and no legal way to earn a living without alerting the authorities. He's pretty much ****ed unless he turns himself in and lawyers up. Better call Sa... wait. Never mind.

We could only speculate about it, but i believe Jessy is free man, if coups would be looking for him they would put it in a show something like Walter White and Jessy Pinkman are wanted by police. No on BB said he is wanted though, not even Marie mention that he was at their house. Although I thought about possibility him going back to cooking meth, i don't think it will happen. I think he leaves NM and starts a new life.

 

[RoyalSubject]

Is he actually a fugitive, though? Do we know that Hank and Gomez didn't inform anyone else about the whole thing? I don't remember whether or not that was explicitly stated, but you'd think Marie would have let them know.

Presumably Hank would still have Jesse's tape in the house. Wonder if he still had Walter's DVD in the house, too....

The nazis stole the tape from Hank's house after they tortured Jesse to find out what the cops knew. Presumably, they would have destroyed it in the ensuing months since it implicated Todd in Drew Sharp's murder.

Jesse's finger prints are all over that meth lab. He's been arrested before, so most likely his prints are in some database. I'd say he's definitely on the run.

 

[Diehard]

Well by Walt dying in the meth lab the authorities will probably assume he was the one pumping the blue for the last year instead of Jesse. Walter's last gift.

 

[OTTo VoN BLoTTo]

I'll definitely concede that it wasn't a "happy" ending, but I didn't like that, in a certain light, Walt can be seen as being rewarded in that final episode. He didn't deserve to die with a smile on his face, in my opinion. Allowable? Sure. Definitely not satisfying to me though.

I found the abrupt, cut to black death of Tony Soprano to be a much more fitting ending for such a despicable character.

I can't fault this opinion since each person's idea of what Walt deserved is purely subjective. He certainly went much more peacefully than most or all of his adversaries that he either killed personally or had killed, and I can see where the sum of his criminally monstrous actions could've or even should've earned him a brutal and undignified death. But, even dying of a gunshot wound, Walt "won". I guess the writers wanted to show that indefensible actions aside he really WAS the best, the smartest, and the baddest.

It would be cool though if they published some of the pitched but rejected ideas for Walt's demise. Guessing some were not so pretty. heh.

WHOA here's one: how about in the final shot, instead of the camera ascending to the rafters like Walt's spirit is rising (to Heaven?), it DESCENDS, looking UP through the floor at his body from underneath. THAT would've been ****ing AWESOME.

 

[Bogey]

once the DEA and the cops were alerted to his presence at the bar, i'm assuming they also searched the area and eventually found his hideout. not safe to run away to for anyone anymore.

Those cops were pretty inept, if they really thought it was a call from Walter White.
One of 'em couldn't even be bothered to get out of the squad car to check inside the white Volvo Walt eventually stole.
After that, Walt had the time and freedom to drive 8 miles up the mountain to the cabin, empty the $10M from the barrel, load it into the Volvo, then drive the 8 miles down the mountain without getting caught.
Can't really assume they searched 8 miles up a mountain if they couldn't be troubled for the other thing.

 

[Bogey]

The more I think about it, the more I think Jesse will have to go back to cooking meth. He's officially a fugitive with zero funds and no legal way to earn a living without alerting the authorities. He's pretty much ****ed unless he turns himself in and lawyers up. Better call Sa... wait. Never mind.

The FBI had Jesse in that interrogation room in regards to the $5M he was throwing out his car window.

I don't know if he was charged with anything, but I think they still wonder how Jesse got that $5M.

 

[lunchbox]

Those cops were pretty inept, if they really thought it was a call from Walter White.
One of 'em couldn't even be bothered to get out of the squad car to check inside the white Volvo Walt eventually stole.
After that, Walt had the time and freedom to drive 8 miles up the mountain to the cabin, empty the $10M from the barrel, load it into the Volvo, then drive the 8 miles down the mountain without getting caught.
Can't really assume they searched 8 miles up a mountain if they couldn't be troubled for the other thing.

i agree with you on the car, but i meant they would EVENTUALLY (ie. in the aftermath of the events) find it so he was allowed time to get his money and stuff the day that he ran. it was very snowy so i'm sure that affected the ability to navigate and locate the terrain leading up to the cabin. however, now that i think about it, maybe they wouldn't have found it once they got notice that he had returned to new mexico and there was no longer a reason to search NH. who knows. i'd assume walt would just play it safe and not send him to a potential hot spot.

does anyone remember just how much time had passed between walt going in hiding/jesse being held captive by the nazis and the finale? i lost track of that.

 

[Bogey]

does anyone remember just how much time had passed between walt going in hiding/jesse being held captive by the nazis and the finale? i lost track of that.

Ed made at least two supply runs to Walt so it was at least three months.

 

[RoyalSubject]

Well by Walt dying in the meth lab the authorities will probably assume he was the one pumping the blue for the last year instead of Jesse. Walter's last gift.

That theory doesn't quite hold up either. Walt stole the Volvo from the parking lot of the bar where he called the DEA in NH. Marie tells Skylar that the car was spotted at the Dennys in ABQ alerting the police that he was back in town. That was then confirmed when Carol, his old neighbor, called the police after seeing him in front of his old house.

 

[adgy-san]

The nazis stole the tape from Hank's house after they tortured Jesse to find out what the cops knew. Presumably, they would have destroyed it in the ensuing months since it implicated Todd in Drew Sharp's murder.

Jesse's finger prints are all over that meth lab. He's been arrested before, so most likely his prints are in some database. I'd say he's definitely on the run.

I guess it depends on how much stock they put in Marie's words. No doubt he'd be wanted for questioning, though. At the very least.

Also, Todd's ringtone was pretty great.

 

[Diehard]

there was no proof he was in NH all those months, and everyone but the Nazis was completely in the dark about their underground meth lab so Walt disappearing down there while making a trip to NH and maybe getting a little sloppy covering his tracks as the cancer progresses doesn't seem like an implausible front.

 

[RoyalSubject]

I guess it depends on how much stock they put in Marie's words. No doubt he'd be wanted for questioning, though. At the very least.

Also, Todd's ringtone was pretty great.

True enough. Even if they did put stock in Marie's story though, Jesse no longer has anything to trade for a deal with Walt being dead. Putting my "think like a criminal" cap on for a minute, that's time to lam it.

 

[Diehard]

Also, Todd's ringtone was pretty great.

He somehow managed to still creep everyone out after his death

 

[doctordestructo]