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makemelaugh said:
My humble opinion is that the episode would have had 20 times the impact if it had been the season finale. I was too prepared for it. I didn't shed one tear, and I feel like they cheated me out of the experience of truly mourning those 2 great characters. Suck my nuts, AMC. I should have been balled up in the corner over Glenn, but instead my reaction was, "Well, there it is. Yikes!" Yes, it was great television and JDM is amazing. There's just something very wrong about feeling more sadness seeing Steven Yeun choke up on The Talking Dead than I felt while watching the actual episode. Is it just me? Did everyone else get gut punched while I sat there with just the slightest tickle in my belly button?
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I dunno. As far as creating tension, it certainly wratcheted up the volume. I agree that I felt more sadness during talking dead. But, I credit that to the severe violence of the killings. And, I don't know about everyone else, but as it was happening, I kept hoping that he would stop and everything would be ok. The whole episode had my stomach in a knot. The twist on the arm removal was about the most sadistic thing I have seen in a while. So, I pretty much forgot to breathe and take in any of the emotional damage. Talking Dead was more reflective, and the loss started to hit home. IMHO, the show has lived and died(sorry) on the dramatic effect teased out of death. So, would the reveal really had made that much more impact as a season ender? Or, did the tension I felt in the 'off season' just make the impact(again, sorry) even greater? I think it was a wise decision...but it really is a personal choice. And, more importantly, the task they had was not easy. They had to show Rick getting 'broken' as they said, so that the audience wouldn't turn. If Rick folded too easily...how does that play moving forward? In past finales they have had the gang on the ropes(Terminus) or losing members. This was something new. That's what I commend. Easier to just repeat format than to try to find new storytelling devices. You can second guess it to death.

And as a longtime admirer of JDM, I feel victory today. I don't hate Negan. He is the BEST character on the show. What he did was a direct result of Rick's poor decision making and his floating moral compass...heads:pacifist, tails:kill'emall. I thought the response to Rick killing a gang of folks was just and fair. The Saviors are simply the best UNION ever. With strong, decisive leadership.
 
I kind of was hoping they would drag out the who died until the mid-season finale just to p*ss off fans even more :)
 
I was accidentally spoiled on the deaths and episode basics a few months ago, unfortunately. I ended up not watching the episode because I knew I wouldn't be able to handle it. I saw screenshots, gifs and clips from the episode (the dinner scene at the end. OH MY GOD.) and people's video tributes to Glenn on twitter and I totally lost it anyway.

I knew it was coming for a few months, I didn't even watch the episode in full and I'm STILL an emotional wreck over Glenn. I'll probably watch the rest of the season later on down the line, but right now I can't even fathom watching an episode. I had a ton of time to prepare myself, but I'm still totally heartbroken.

Oh, and **** Daryl. We get another season of Daryl manpain because he's an idiot and got someone killed. Yawn.
 
jerseydevil said:
...And as a longtime admirer of JDM, I feel victory today. I don't hate Negan. He is the BEST character on the show. What he did was a direct result of Rick's poor decision making and his floating moral compass...heads:pacifist, tails:kill'emall. I thought the response to Rick killing a gang of folks was just and fair. The Saviors are simply the best UNION ever. With strong, decisive leadership.
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I can appreciate that Negan is straight forward. It is what it is, and he spells it all out right from the get-go. The delivery of this was simply brilliant:

"Hi. You?re Rick, right? I?m Negan. And I do not appreciate you killing my men. Also, when I sent my people to kill your people for killing my people, you killed more of my people. Not cool. Not cool. You have no idea how not cool that **** is."
 
mmmcammy said:
I was accidentally spoiled on the deaths and episode basics a few months ago, unfortunately. I ended up not watching the episode because I knew I wouldn't be able to handle it. I saw screenshots, gifs and clips from the episode (the dinner scene at the end. OH MY GOD.) and people's video tributes to Glenn on twitter and I totally lost it anyway.

I knew it was coming for a few months, I didn't even watch the episode in full and I'm STILL an emotional wreck over Glenn. I'll probably watch the rest of the season later on down the line, but right now I can't even fathom watching an episode. I had a ton of time to prepare myself, but I'm still totally heartbroken.

Oh, and **** Daryl. We get another season of Daryl manpain because he's an idiot and got someone killed. Yawn.
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I know it's not easy, lord knows I literally was sitting on the floor, thinking, 'Am I a sadist for watching this?' Kingsqueen's Mom has scolded her about how 'sick' it is to watch horror movies and it has always stuck with me. But, if you care, and it seems like you do, you should watch. It wasn't easy or fun. At all. But you almost HAVE to watch it.
And what Daryl did was understandable. I don't know how anyone could have sat there. I think I'd rather be dead.
 
When they released that 3 minute preview a few weeks ago, my initial guess at Victim 1 was confirmed. Generally speaking, using the first 20 minutes last night to re-stoke the fire to catch us up again before showing us the victim... was just poorly executed IMHO and it should have been in the finale last season. Now, if that Finale had ended like that and then we opened this week's season opener with Victim 2, would that have been even more shocking?

The way things were done last night Victim 1 comes-off as meh, and then quickly followed by Victim 2... it did not even give it time to sink in as a viewer. Oh, and then making you-know-who the cause for Victim 2... just not good.

I taped the late showing of Talking Dead, so will watch most of that tonight.
 
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It's weird but I am actually more upset about losing Abraham then losing Glenn. Probably cuz I was expecting to lose Glenn but still, Cudlitz is great and Abraham was such a good character that they coulda got more from.

I wonder if they are gonna do a "flashback" show of Abraham because he kinda hinted on TTD last night and even in his goodbye clip above that he is not through.
 
Trapper9 said:
It's weird but I am actually more upset about losing Abraham then losing Glenn. Probably cuz I was expecting to lose Glenn but still, Cudlitz is great and Abraham was such a good character that they coulda got more from.

I wonder if they are gonna do a "flashback" show of Abraham because he kinda hinted on TTD last night and even in his goodbye clip above that he is not through.
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Not weird at all. Cudlitz has been awesome in everything he's done.
 
jerseydevil said:
I know it's not easy, lord knows I literally was sitting on the floor, thinking, 'Am I a sadist for watching this?' Kingsqueen's Mom has scolded her about how 'sick' it is to watch horror movies and it has always stuck with me. But, if you care, and it seems like you do, you should watch. It wasn't easy or fun. At all. But you almost HAVE to watch it.
And what Daryl did was understandable. I don't know how anyone could have sat there. I think I'd rather be dead.
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I believe she made that comment when the first HOSTEL movie came out. "You're not going to see THAT, are you???" lol.
 
Episode 2 was just what we needed after the fun of the first one. The shtick of Ezekiel and his people was a little too ridiculous, something that maybe works in a comic book but not with actual humans delivering the lines, but having Ezekiel reveal the truth of everything to Carol in this very first episode with him dialed the silliness back and really saved it.

Carol doing her act will never not be pure entertainment. She should go on Survivor or Big Brother. Sloppy stealing clothes from the top of a pile, though. Take it from the bottom. Dude might notice a color he was looking at earlier gone.

Ezekiel's peeps, despite their shtick, seem to finally be the people I have been looking for who have their act together about wiping out zombies. They just took those walkers apart in the first sequence.

Respect the attempt to poison the Saviors. Ezekiel is totally biding his time on them. He wisely wants Carol because she can do some scouting and defend herself, and intel is what is needed to take on the Saviors. Just how many are there and where are they? Does any living Savoir know Carol at all? She could totally infiltrate them, unless of course they saw her when they (presumably) spied on Alexandria.


So, last Sunday I was busy and got home at 1:25 in the morning after driving down to San Diego for a concert. I stopped by my parent's house just to use their DirecTV to watch the east coast feed of the first episode in order to watch it before the concert, just in case some internet troll (Skankhunt47?) was in the building and decided to do the real life equivalent by yelling out who died. Certainly, I wasn't tempted to do it myself, especially to the guy who hit me in the back with his elbow twice. Mosh pit is back there, f-tard.

It was a little annoying that they jerked us around for 20 minutes before getting back to the killing circle, although it was a nice (but twisted) touch having us see Rick with that mysterious bloodstain on his face for those 20 minutes and then seeing how it happened.

One of the few things I picked up about the comic book from random internet messages is that a certain somebody is going through life without a hand. So Negan bringing Rick's hatchet along (another nice touch - Negan not knowing what a hatchet is and then just not bothering to use the word, still going with 'axe' the whole time) and then the hatchet is in the table and then Rick has to go get it and then Negan is cleaning it off like he wants it to be sanitary for some reason, then the whole thing with Carl like it is going to be his hand, then it really looked like Negan would take the hatchet back to use it on Rick - the people behind the show were 100% f-ing with us. Jacktards.


...And my browser window crashed and lost the next few paragraphs, so maybe back to this tomorrow or the next day.
 
What in the wide world of high school Dungeons & Dragons am I watching. THANKS good/evil Carol for being the voice of reason.

Why feed the pigs rot?
 
jerseydevil said:
What in the wide world of high school Dungeons & Dragons am I watching. THANKS good/evil Carol for being the voice of reason.

Why feed the pigs rot?
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Because those were the pigs they gave to the saviors


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jerseydevil said:
Ok...watching live. Just saw that part.


More importantly, how does Morgan know the Saviors ?
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Morgan knows about the Saviors because he was still at Alexandria when both the Motorcycle confrontation and the deal with the hilltop was made and that raid was conducted. Carol didn't leave till after all that.


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Troyvsc said:
Morgan knows about the Saviors because he was still at Alexandria when both the Motorcycle confrontation and the deal with the hilltop was made and that raid was conducted. Carol didn't leave till after all that.


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Well, they said that the guys that attacked Carol were Saviors. So, I would imagine that makes the Kingdom guilty of harboring a fugitive.
 
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