***DSLR/Photography MegaThread***

You nailed it. Recently I did about 2 months of research before narrowing it down and choosing, and the Nikon D40, Rebel XTi, and Olympus E-510 were very similar in price, features, and ratings. But when I went and handled them in person (before ordering at Amazon of course) I was surprised how uncomfortable 2 of the 3 were for my particular hands. That clinched it. The Olympus has it's cons, but was heavenly in my hand--like a custom-made glove. But each person is different. The Canon is known for being a great "action" camera, and having young kids that might be perfect. The Nikon (sister-in-law has one) takes AWESOME pics right out of the box, and seems to be very intuitive and great in low light. But bottom line if it feels bad or clumsy in your hands you'll be less excited to use it. If ordering on-line, PLEASE go somewhere and hold them first.

Good luck in your search Ruely!

Thats excatly what I'm saying! I liked the E510... and almost got that... except for the one feature I didn't like was that the focal lengths or something to that effect of the kit lenses were cut in thirds, due to the mount? I think the DSLR junkies (FBJ, ValleyFan, Deader...) can explain this further.

I felt like I could Break the Cannon... which steered me away from it.

The Nikon, however, felt like a camera to me. My dad and uncle have Olympus OM-1 and OM-2 respectivley, and I grew up learning to shoot on those... ... all metal bodies.... I just wanted something that I felt would feel like a camera.

Plus, the Cannon's trigger location felt awkward to me. I'm a musician, (saxophone, woodwinds, piano...) so I have longer fingers... and the cannons location made it very awkward to press for me.

I echo Otto's post... HOLD THE CAMERA BEFORE YOU BUY IT!
 
...was that the focal lengths or something to that effect of the kit lenses were cut in thirds...

I think what you are describing is what is called the crop or lens multiplier. If the sensor of the camera is smaller than 24mm x 36mm (which the vast majority are in the dSLR world), the lens will feel longer than it is. Most Nikons have a 1.5x multiplier, so a 100mm lens will look like a 150mm, while most Canons are 1.6x, so a 100mm will look like a 160mm.

While the body ergonomics are important, being happy with the glass that is available for that mount should also be a major deciding factor. Stereotyping here, but Nikon is fantastic on the wide end. Canon has been catching up a bit with the EF-s 10-22 and the EF 14 f/2.8 L mkII, but still in favor of Nikon. If you like shooting long, Canon has a few more options than Nikon, but Nikon has been catching up on the long end.

Oh, and both the OM-1 (my dad's camera, which I shot on all the time) and the OM-2 (stolen by an ex-girlfriend) where both amazing cameras. I loved those things.
 
Dude! Thanks for that!!! I think I'll head out and pick up two of those tomorrow. The D3 has dual CF slots!! 24GB BAAAAYBAAAAY!!!
 
SanDisk 12GB Extreme III CompactFlash Card Part Number SDCFX312288 @ samys.com

$70 after mail-in rebate for a few more days

Here is the ad
http://www.samys.com/ads/current_ad.pdf

FBJ has been encouraging me to shoot RAW so I've been looking for a huge CF card.
This one should fit the bill, guess I'll have to get on the road so I can have it for Derby Dolls tomorrow!




12 gigs???????? That's INCREDIBLE for the price. I always shoot double format (jpeg super hi qual. + RAW) and have plenty of room on a 2 or 4 gig card. But I'm emptying often, shooting little, and well, err, nuf said. But RAW RAWKS. Only one problem may be importing and storage. Double format takes up lots of HD space. I'm no professional, but a 12GB card sounds pretty damn cool...
 
SanDisk 12GB Extreme III CompactFlash Card Part Number SDCFX312288 @ samys.com

$70 after mail-in rebate for a few more days

Here is the ad
http://www.samys.com/ads/current_ad.pdf

FBJ has been encouraging me to shoot RAW so I've been looking for a huge CF card.
This one should fit the bill, guess I'll have to get on the road so I can have it for Derby Dolls tomorrow!

One thing I didn't notice about the ad before I got to Samy's this morning was that the more of these you buy, the bigger the rebate. Buy two and the rebate is $130!! So it's like buy-one, get-one free!! You get the retail price of one back in the mail!

I also found out that Samy's has the D3 for rent. Only $300 A DAY!! LOL
 
I put mine in the camera and switched to RAW and the counter stays on 999 photos left because that is high as it can go. Sweet! I checked Amazon where the 8 gig Extreme II is the same price as this 12 gig Extreme III. Great deal. ;) The thing writes super-fast too!
 
When I started using a flash a few months ago I was happy to get the exposure of the main subject right. Now that I've had time to get the settings down I'm beginning to look at the exposure of the background that is done by the camera like in a normal photo by changing the ISO, exposure etc while still getting the same good lighting on the foreground subject with the flash. This way the flash works almost like a fill light instead of the main source of illumination with vast blackness in the backgound.

This is all basic stuff, but being so new to this flash deal I have to learn a step at a time.

Probably what I'll do tonight at the Derby Dolls gig is set the camera to full manual mode and then on-camera meter for the background settings and let the ETTL-II on the flash do the foreground.

Here's an example:

not_good_original.jpg


It's a little nicer to finally have some settings etc. and be able to think about things like this now that I have somewhat of a system. Can't wait to try out some more fun things tonight! I love this ****.
 
Well...filling out the rebate paperwork for those SanDisk cards. Come to find out that they don't issue you a check for the refund, but a pre-paid VISA card. I don't imagine it's much different, but whatever.
 
I put mine in the camera and switched to RAW and the counter stays on 999 photos left because that is high as it can go. Sweet! I checked Amazon where the 8 gig Extreme II is the same price as this 12 gig Extreme III. Great deal. ;) The thing writes super-fast too!

Something sounds fishy there. My D200 gets 633 captures remaining with the 12gb card in it when set to RAW + Jpeg Basic. It gets 728 when set to capture RAW only.

As an aside, I learned that my understanding of the camera was a bit off. From what I remember reading, I understood that the camera would not show an image on the display after a capture if shooting in RAW only (without the .jpg sidecar image, that is). So since I started shooting RAW, I've been shooting in RAW + JPEG Basic. Just found out that you can indeed see the image on the screen of the captures you make.

So what's the point of me shooting RAW + JPEG? I don't see one anymore, so I turned off the JPEG capture. Yay! More space on my cards!
 
Yeah remembered you saying that but tried just setting RAW anyways and it worked so I left it. I thought maybe it was a Nikon thing. ;)

One thing that I can't do is multiple exposures on a frame. I guess that's what Photoshop is for.
 
Funny, because I've been shooting RAW only, and am actually considering shooting RAW +jpeg. I'm still tooling around with a comfortable work flow, and can see the benefit of my first selection edit being with jpegs. My next volume shoot will be my first experiment with it, so I may find I'm wasting my time. But the thought of being able to quickly junk test shots and soft focus shots without waiting for them to render in Lightroom makes it worth a try.
 
I always go straight to the chip and do my first deleting before even importing them.

Same.

I usually have some downtime between capture and import where I can hunch over the camera and poke at the images. I decide what the ****can and what to keep and import. After the import, I decide what's worthy of post-processing and flag them. The rest stay in my image folder. Never know when you'll need something that's in one of them.
 
I think what you are describing is what is called the crop or lens multiplier. If the sensor of the camera is smaller than 24mm x 36mm (which the vast majority are in the dSLR world), the lens will feel longer than it is. Most Nikons have a 1.5x multiplier, so a 100mm lens will look like a 150mm, while most Canons are 1.6x, so a 100mm will look like a 160mm.

While the body ergonomics are important, being happy with the glass that is available for that mount should also be a major deciding factor. Stereotyping here, but Nikon is fantastic on the wide end. Canon has been catching up a bit with the EF-s 10-22 and the EF 14 f/2.8 L mkII, but still in favor of Nikon. If you like shooting long, Canon has a few more options than Nikon, but Nikon has been catching up on the long end.

Oh, and both the OM-1 (my dad's camera, which I shot on all the time) and the OM-2 (stolen by an ex-girlfriend) where both amazing cameras. I loved those things.


My dad's OM-2 is in MINT condition. Like... not a scratch. He had it in a leather body for years, and he took immaculate care of his lenses and stuff. I'll take some pics and post them. He doesn't use it anymore... not cost effective.... but the camera still looks brand new, if you can believe it. My uncles OM-1's battery exploded in it, so while he cleaned it out, it has a little bit more wear and tear on it.
 
I always go straight to the chip and do my first deleting before even importing them.


Wow, you guys live on the edge! ;) I have come to the realization that I don't trust myself dumping photos off the camera unless it is seriously and obviously flawed (like lens cap on flawed). Usually the ones that I suspect are bad actually end up being so, but every once in a while, I decide that one that I thought where poor when I was taking or reviewing in the camera actually has some merit to it and with a little help, I can pull it out.

I have also been a little interested in trying the RAW +JPG to render faster in Lightroom, has anyone done it? It would be nice if it stacked the two (with the JPG at the top of the stack), but I haven't had a chance to play with it.

Thinking about going RAW +JPG makes the Samy's sale pretty attractive, but I can't seem to find the newest firmware for my camera that will allow it to recognize a card over 8Gb. Perhaps I spend that cash on some grip equipment instead :)
 
Your camera won't recognize cards over 8Gb?

Damn Canons suck! ;)
 
Let me ask a basic question - why do you want a DSLR? They do not automagically produce better photos than a regular "point and click." A lot of people buy DSLR's because they are marketed heavily and because their friends/neighbors have them, despite the fact that it is the completely wrong camera for them. DSLR's are capable of taking better pictures than just "point and click" cameras, but they won't do it by themselves - the photographer must be capable of taking good pictures as well. Most people use DSLR's to take bad pictures which may have been better pictures if the camera was NOT a DSLR.

A DSLR is not the camera for you if:

1. You don't really intend to learn photography - you know, how light works, f-stops, apertures, etc. The whole point of the (D)SLR is to give the photographer more control over the photography process, and if you aren't capable of using that control, there is no point in having a DSLR. If you are just taking pictures on the "auto" setting, the advantages of the DSLR are lost and only the disadvantages, such as the larger size and weight, remain.

2. You don't intend to become at least somewhat proficient at Photoshop or similar software. Generally, DSLR photos look worse without post processing than a consumer-camera photo because they are not as sharp or as vivid. A consumer camera does quite a bit of processing in camera. The DSLR end-user is expected to do much of the post processing, such as sharpness and color adjustments, etc. him/herself.

3. You don't intend to spend good money on lenses. The "kit" lens that comes with the overwhelming majority of DSLR's, especially low-end DSLR's, are utter crap. When buying a DSLR you're buying a camera system, not just a camera body. The lens is far and away the most important part of that camera system, not the body. For most pros and serious amateurs a camera body (or bodies) constitute a small fraction of their investment in lenses. Every DSLR is capable of taking good pictures, but that's hardly the case with every lens. If you buy a DSLR but do not use it with a good lens, you take away your DSLR's capability to take better quality images than a "point and click."

Finally, if you do decide that a DSLR is for you, don't just look at Canon and Nikon. They're both excellent brands that make excellent products, but they're not the only ones and other manufacturers may offer cameras which have important features which Canon/Nikon do not have, either at the same price point or at all.
 
Let me ask a basic question - why do you want a DSLR? They do not automagically produce better photos than a regular "point and click." A lot of people buy DSLR's because they are marketed heavily and because their friends/neighbors have them, despite the fact that it is the completely wrong camera for them. DSLR's are capable of taking better pictures than just "point and click" cameras, but they won't do it by themselves - the photographer must be capable of taking good pictures as well. Most people use DSLR's to take bad pictures which may have been better pictures if the camera was NOT a DSLR.

A DSLR is not the camera for you if:

1. You don't really intend to learn photography - you know, how light works, f-stops, apertures, etc. The whole point of the (D)SLR is to give the photographer more control over the photography process, and if you aren't capable of using that control, there is no point in having a DSLR. If you are just taking pictures on the "auto" setting, the advantages of the DSLR are lost and only the disadvantages, such as the larger size and weight, remain.

2. You don't intend to become at least somewhat proficient at Photoshop or similar software. Generally, DSLR photos look worse without post processing than a consumer-camera photo because they are not as sharp or as vivid. A consumer camera does quite a bit of processing in camera. The DSLR end-user is expected to do much of the post processing, such as sharpness and color adjustments, etc. him/herself.

3. You don't intend to spend good money on lenses. The "kit" lens that comes with the overwhelming majority of DSLR's, especially low-end DSLR's, are utter crap. When buying a DSLR you're buying a camera system, not just a camera body. The lens is far and away the most important part of that camera system, not the body. For most pros and serious amateurs a camera body (or bodies) constitute a small fraction of their investment in lenses. Every DSLR is capable of taking good pictures, but that's hardly the case with every lens. If you buy a DSLR but do not use it with a good lens, you take away your DSLR's capability to take better quality images than a "point and click."

Finally, if you do decide that a DSLR is for you, don't just look at Canon and Nikon. They're both excellent brands that make excellent products, but they're not the only ones and other manufacturers may offer cameras which have important features which Canon/Nikon do not have, either at the same price point or at all.

I've gotta agree with all that.
 
Great questions!

Well, to be honest there are a few reasons I wanted to go DSLR.

I have small kids and want the ability to take pictures of them during their activities that will not be blurred from a distance (sports/action photography). With my Ghettocam, I was able to take those fun close up candids when we went to hang out (mostly of friends hanging out or whatever), but when I wanted to get actions of my son playing basketball or my daughter playing softball the quality fell short. In addition, I would probably start taking pictures of my friends playing hockey. Cheaper to be the organ-eye-sation photog than make them pay out the ass per picture at tournaments.

Also, I have specific visions of the type of artwork I want to put in my home, and frankly I would like the flexibility to be able to learn to take those pics myself than pay horrendous amounts for something that isnt exactly what I wanted but is a similarly themed framed art piece. I guess Ive always wanted to get out there and start photography as a hobby with potential, but havent had the time until now to do so.

I do have enough interest in photography to really want to learn how to take a great picture and I am more than willing to take the time to learn how to use whatever I purchase properly, but Im not sure if I have enough interest to justify cost in what several people here have said they have spent. Im not a professional, and I am not looking to become professional... so I dont want to get in the habit of spending what ValleyFan does on a lens. That's why I started the thread, for good suggestions from knowledgeable people.

Finally, Im sick to death of being smoked out of the Photography Challenge threads! mhihi:
 
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