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How is this allowed and not more talked about? Please explain!
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xcheck
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One interesting thing from the articles is that it's not just games. The tax is based on days. So the players are spending more than half of their days at home even though they play half their games away.
Note that there are other teams that gain an ancillary benefit by playing more away games in non-state-tax states; like when the Kings have to play in Vegas and Seattle. Both are in division so the Kings go on the road to those states pretty frequently. Compare that to east coast teams that will only play once in Vegas.
The thing to remember is that when it comes to finances, there is a lot more at play than just taxes. There is the general cost of living and access to additional revenue streams. It might cost a lot for a star player to play in Toronto, but they'll get better endorsement opportunities than Vegas or Seattle or Nashville or Florida.
Yeah, I get it—it’s pretty frustrating to see how those tax breaks make a big difference. When I was dealing with salary negotiations in my old job, I saw how much state taxes can cut into your paycheck. It’s no surprise that players in places like Florida or Texas are willing to take less money on their contracts if they end up keeping more of it in the end. It feels like a pretty unfair advantage when other teams have to deal with high state taxes.
Bollocks
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That's the entire point of this thread and why this issue is in fact an issue.
I'm pretty sure that account is a bot.
hokiecat
Super Star
Luckily for everyone, the NHL is not going to do anything about it in the near term. (not /s)
IMO, it isn't the NHL's job to try and try to balance the field since there would be a ton of unintended consequences if players get traded or state/provinces change their tax rates in mid-season. We can all petition the CA legislature to lower tax rates on millionaires so that the Kings can compete better.
orpheus
The Dolphin Cares!
All we need to do to attract players to the Kings is not to change the state income tax rates, but to find a way to grant them a special Kings ID card that will grant them countywide perks like riding the Foothill Transit for free, 25% off Winchell's, and 2 for 1 Taco Tuesdays at King Taco. 
emsomaso
The Swedish King
Sorry for bringing this up again, but this advantage can’t be said any clearer than the below text taken from a swedish newspaper:
Thanks to Florida's favorable taxes - the state is described as a tax haven, at least in relation to other NHL states - Gustav Forsling can still cash out more in net money than many other players in, for example, the New York Rangers or Edmonton can do.
- That was the whole reason why I signed for so much less than what my market value actually is.
Thanks to Florida's favorable taxes - the state is described as a tax haven, at least in relation to other NHL states - Gustav Forsling can still cash out more in net money than many other players in, for example, the New York Rangers or Edmonton can do.
- That was the whole reason why I signed for so much less than what my market value actually is.
Bollocks
Top Forward
Yeah, f*** them taxes. USA should just federally abolish all taxes and privatize everything - from roads to water distribution to issuing IDs and DMVs and make it so money is, quite literally, equal to ability to exist and breathe...therefore money = happiness because without it you can't be happy because you're dead.
Not sure what Canada can do here, though. Communism is too deep rooted in their veins for them to be so advanced. Damn their Soviet roots! I mean, French...whatever.
To be fair, the Kings didn't have the cap space to add any significant players until the Kovalchuk stupidity. It wasn't until the cleared out older players for the "rebuild" that they had the room to add a player like Danault.
Blake has goofed over and over with their cap - among other things.
emsomaso
The Swedish King
Come on now. You don’t have to be a hard core communist to think that when a player signs for 8 in Florida but would have demanded 10 or more to sign in LA it is something wrong with the system…
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ICE24
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If you're a player that plays in Florida for either team and after a couple of years, you get traded out west to an CA team. Not only do you lose money due to the trade, your cost of living increases, so you get hit with a double whammy. You leave a house on the beach that you purchased for 2 mil for a house on the beach that is 1000sq ft smaller for 4 mil.
How do the Kings compete for a highly sought after UFA? Not only do you have to sell the team to the UFA, you have to sell the city, government and everything that goes with it. So different from 10 years ago. The player is different and so is the economic situation among other things. Endorsements are not in an abundance in LA for these players.
How do the Kings compete for a highly sought after UFA? Not only do you have to sell the team to the UFA, you have to sell the city, government and everything that goes with it. So different from 10 years ago. The player is different and so is the economic situation among other things. Endorsements are not in an abundance in LA for these players.
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Bollocks
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I thought it was a blatantly obvious sarcasm. Guess not as obvious as I thought...
Anyways, I always find it funny when states/countries with not-so-insignificant amount of taxes complain about states/countries with lesser taxes and think everyone should be like them.
What if the goal should be to have not-so-insignificant amount of taxes, but that this money is more efficiently and fairly used to the betterment of all the citizens?
Besides, I'm sure there is some flip side to Florida's no income tax. I mean, last I checked the situation regarding healthcare accessibility and education isn't very different state to state. They have to get this money elsewhere...or skimp on something important to make up the difference.
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emsomaso
The Swedish King
I’m absolutly not suggesting that states should changeI thought it was a blatantly obvious sarcasm. Guess not as obvious as I thought...
Anyways, I always find it funny when states/countries with not-so-insignificant amount of taxes complain about states/countries with lesser taxes and think everyone should be like them.
What if the goal should be to have not-so-insignificant amount of taxes, but that this money is more efficiently and fairly used to the betterment of all the citizens?
Besides, I'm sure there is some flip side to Florida's no income tax. I mean, last I checked the situation regarding healthcare accessibility and education isn't very different state to state. They have to get this money elsewhere...or skimp on something important to make up the difference.
I understood that you were sarcastic, but I’m honestly not sure it was so sarcastic as you now claim it was given your latest reply about taxes…I thought it was a blatantly obvious sarcasm. Guess not as obvious as I thought...
Anyways, I always find it funny when states/countries with not-so-insignificant amount of taxes complain about states/countries with lesser taxes and think everyone should be like them.
What if the goal should be to have not-so-insignificant amount of taxes, but that this money is more efficiently and fairly used to the betterment of all the citizens?
Besides, I'm sure there is some flip side to Florida's no income tax. I mean, last I checked the situation regarding healthcare accessibility and education isn't very different state to state. They have to get this money elsewhere...or skimp on something important to make up the difference.
But whatever, I never meant this to be a political thread since this should be a place 100% free of that!!!
And I’m absolutly not suggesting that states should change their taxing system, that is a way bigger question than what this discussion is about.
But I honestly don’t understand why it would be so difficult for the NHL to have a fluid cap that is based on the states different tax levels. For exampel Kings would then have one salary cap and Florida would have another lower salary cap, so that $1 would be ”worth” the same for all teams, if you understand what I mean. I know that is way more to this then the above, but I just don’t see how that wouldn’t be possible?
ICE24
Super Star
If in n out starts heading toward the southern and eastern states, the Kings are cooked.
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hokiecat
Super Star
It is non trivial as I pointed out like a month ago.
If a player gets traded from FL to LA or LA to FL does the NHL have to adjust their salaries to account for the tax difference? If a state raises or lowers their taxes during the middle of the season, does the NHL adjust the cap. It isn't the NHL's job to make account for differences between the cities. There are also places like Winnipeg that are just plain boring; does the NHL need to further incentivize players too stay there. NBA has a cap too and players are always leaving the boring cities for LA and NYC no matter what the taxes are.
emsomaso
The Swedish King
Fair points!
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