Kempe Contract Watch Thread

VCRW said:
I have a terrible feeling about this negotiation… this may be the last season for #9 in L.A. Holland wants McDavid and a big contract for Juice may be an obstacle.
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I’m not at that stage yet because no other major UFA to be has signed yet either. Eichel hasn’t and there’s no way he’s going anywhere. I’d think the same with Panarin.

I’d put Kempe in a Connor bucket with WPG. Both teams need them in outsized ways and will need to pay more than they want to, but ultimately will have to accept that and get it done. It seems so obvious I’m frustrated it’s taking this long.

Agreed Holland is already eyeing McDavid. He also needs Kempe to help sell LA to him if a McDavid UFA actually happens.
 
Clif said:
I’m not at that stage yet because no other major UFA to be has signed yet either. Eichel hasn’t and there’s no way he’s going anywhere. I’d think the same with Panarin.

I’d put Kempe in a Connor bucket with WPG. Both teams need them in outsized ways and will need to pay more than they want to, but ultimately will have to accept that and get it done. It seems so obvious I’m frustrated it’s taking this long.

Agreed Holland is already eyeing McDavid. He also needs Kempe to help sell LA to him if a McDavid UFA actually happens.
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Did you ever consider that Luc may have hired Holland to help bring McDavid to LA?
 
symbology said:
Did you ever consider that Luc may have hired Holland to help bring McDavid to LA?
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I believe several people have already mentioned this, and I also believe there is some truth to it. Will it happen? I think most of us Kings fans already know the answer to that, but I feel it was probably Luc’s intent when he hired Holland.
 
symbology said:
Did you ever consider that Luc may have hired Holland to help bring McDavid to LA?
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I just figured Luc hired him because he had experience and didn’t want another rookie GM. And also because he won a Cup under him in DET.

But I suppose old Galaxy Brain is forward thinking enough in his 4D chess game to factor in a potential McDavid UFA craze.
 
ICE24 said:
Regarding McDavid, yes he will bring in more fans, more celebrities, however, I don't see more wins.
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Gotta disagree - I think he would absolutely bring more wins and very likely a Stanley Cup to LA if the Kings roster was anything like last season.

I really do not see any legitimate reason as to why he would want to come to the Kings, however, as by the time he does the Kings will be in transition and possibly even a rebuild depending on how the roster is managed. The main attraction I could see, at this point, is Byfield, Kempe and George all of which have some connection to McDavid. If they can draft or acquire a future long-term defensive standout then maybe they'd have a chance of landing him, but from a purely financial perspective other teams can offer more alluring contracts based on tax rates and other Organizations have shown a stronger desire to win and be competitive year over year (such as Vegas).

My lean is that the Kings should focus on signing/acquiring Necas next season.

Also the Kings need to extend Kempe asap. They've had him on a home town discount for several seasons now and it's time to pay the man. For a team who can't manage to sign FA stars, they sure seem to lack perspective on how valuable Kempe truly is to the Organization.
 
ICE24 said:
Regarding McDavid, yes he will bring in more fans, more celebrities, however, I don't see more wins.
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McD + QB + Fiala + Kempe + Moore + Danault + Laff + Greentree + Mikey + Doughty + Clarke + Foegele + Turcotte + above average goaltending...

...is a better core than EDM, way more balanced.

Kuz + Kopitar off the books and moving Moore or Phil for more controllable, affordable assets would have to happen but you can easily fit McD in at 15 million.

It'll be a pipe dream until he resigns with EDM but you can definitely fit McD + Kempe in and have a very solid 3 year window.

3 years 60 million? Feasible? So he can Cup chase...
 
Pickle_Pucks said:
McD + QB + Fiala + Kempe + Moore + Danault + Laff + Greentree + Mikey + Doughty + Clarke + Foegele + Turcotte + above average goaltending...

...is a better core than EDM, way more balanced.

Kuz + Kopitar off the books and moving Moore or Phil for more controllable, affordable assets would have to happen but you can easily fit McD in at 15 million.

It'll be a pipe dream until he resigns with EDM but you can definitely fit McD + Kempe in and have a very solid 3 year window.

3 years 60 million? Feasible? So he can Cup chase...
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Your math seems off, or maybe I'm missing something obvious? First you talk about fitting him in at 15 million, which IMO is a pipe dream, then you talk about 3 years, 60 million...

I do think he's going to have to choose between proper contending OR another "project" like Oilers were if he's going to go for the absolute maximum amount of dollars.

Sure, the cap is going up, but the agents all over the NHL are smelling those dollars already and it's really difficult to imagine a perfect storm where a team has a very good core locked up at an affordable rate long term.

I mean, yeah...maybe the LA IS the team for those 3 years. But is that really going to work with 2 bottom pairing D-men making combines 8 million per year? I mean sure, if Ken can effectively offload both Ceci and Edmundson I can see that working, but there is some potential for issues here...
 
Bollocks said:
Your math seems off, or maybe I'm missing something obvious? First you talk about fitting him in at 15 million, which IMO is a pipe dream, then you talk about 3 years, 60 million...

I do think he's going to have to choose between proper contending OR another "project" like Oilers were if he's going to go for the absolute maximum amount of dollars.

Sure, the cap is going up, but the agents all over the NHL are smelling those dollars already and it's really difficult to imagine a perfect storm where a team has a very good core locked up at an affordable rate long term.

I mean, yeah...maybe the LA IS the team for those 3 years. But is that really going to work with 2 bottom pairing D-men making combines 8 million per year? I mean sure, if Ken can effectively offload both Ceci and Edmundson I can see that working, but there is some potential for issues here...
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I can’t speak for Pickles Puck but being admittedly open to the McDavid to LA pipe dream I can speak to the math on this. Also, Hoven said McDavid will never happen here, and emphasized never, so now I’m really starting to believe.

Cap goes up 8.5M next year. Take away Anze’e 7M, Kuz’ 4.3M, Perry’s 2M and Burroughs’ 1.1 and you’re at 22.9M.

Say Kempe gets 11M then take away another 5.5. Then Brandt needs a bridge contract. I think he’ll have a good year but this one is hard to speculate. Call it 4x2 for now. That’s about 14.3M in cap space. (Numbers by subtracting the difference of current contracts from new ones.)

Moore moves at minimum and Greentree is elevated ready or not and earns 943K. That adds 3.2M to the cap for 17.6.M.

This still doesn’t count replacements for a 7th D and 12th,13th forwards so even if they’re at league minimums you’re near another 3M off the books. You probably have to go with 22 skaters and only one extra forward. So really 14.6-15.6M roughly.

So now Edmundson or Ceci have to go. Likely Edmundson you can hope and pray Kirsanov or Dvorak are ready (enough) and get league minimum. That adds about 3M. So 17.6-18.6M

McDavid can’t make less than 17M Kaprizov is making. If he signs for less fhan market value at 18M and Kings dress 22 skaters it could work.

Takeaways, 500k less for Kempe and Clarke both would really help. Of course Holland is yanking around Kempe now. He’s done the math! (Sarcasm font to close)
 
I still have this gnawing feeling that Holland is looking to trade Juice. With Barkov and Tkachuk both on LTIR, who could Holland get back from the Panthers in trade for Kempe?
 
AngelEyes said:
Kempe will demand -- and get -- $14M x 8.

And McDavid is going to get upwards of $25M per.
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Gotta believe the Kaprizov contract definitely helps Kempe. Kaprizov has averaged 63 games a season across his 5 years, consistent injury risk.

I think McD may be closer to $20M. No way the Kings will be bringing him in...not that there was much chance to begin with. I think Kempe comes in $11-12 and if he's smart and believes in himself, signs for 3-4 years and earns an even bigger paycheck after that.
 
Pickle_Pucks said:
McD + QB + Fiala + Kempe + Moore + Danault + Laff + Greentree + Mikey + Doughty + Clarke + Foegele + Turcotte + above average goaltending...

...is a better core than EDM, way more balanced.

Kuz + Kopitar off the books and moving Moore or Phil for more controllable, affordable assets would have to happen but you can easily fit McD in at 15 million.

It'll be a pipe dream until he resigns with EDM but you can definitely fit McD + Kempe in and have a very solid 3 year window.

3 years 60 million? Feasible? So he can Cup chase...
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McDavid isn't signing for $15M anywhere in light of the Kaprizov contract.
 
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