Marner Watch

[VCRW]

I think the coach is at fault for not trusting the 4th line and 3rd pairing.

Hiller's coaching decisions in the playoffs went far beyond questionable. Those egregious errors propelled his unwise choices all the way to plaid. Dumb! Dumb! Dumb!

Fans in many east coast cities would have been loudly calling for his head.

 

[Statue4Deano]

Boomer raised a great point about not trusting the 4th line and 3rd pairing. So if you sign Marner, how does that actually improve things? He takes half the money and you need to replace Gavrikov.

Not playing the 4th line was arguably the biggest mistake of Hiller’s disastrous post season. He had the players. Helenius, Turcotte and Mallott were good enough to play as much as Edmonton’s 4th line. They simply were.

Holland very clearly will be adding a cheap vet who fits on the bottom six better than Trevor Lewis. He did it in Edmonton and he’ll do it here.

It seems likely that Holland will be moving a lot more pieces this summer than previously anticipated. Yes the Kings were close this season but I really can’t see Holland running Blake’s roster back one more season. He’s going to make this team his own.

 

[DryKing]

Mayor comes off pretty confident that Marner will sign in LA.

Shame to hear:

-Hoven thinks Kopi will retire after next season. "I don't believe there's a scenerio will he will come back"
-He feels Gav won't be coming back (due to price)
-Rantanen didn't want to come to LA (good to hear that Kings attempted to make a deal for him)
-Kings tried for Marchand but couldn't close the deal

 

[Halfwall]

Mayor comes off pretty confident that Marner will sign in LA.

Yeah, as soon as the riots are over he can then bring his wife on a shopping trip.

 

[Statue4Deano]

Yeah, as soon as the riots are over he can then bring his wife on a shopping trip.

Or I can pick them up from Crypto we can all go “shopping” together. I’ve got a flag for them to wave.

 

[symbology]

Curious, I never heard he refused to play the opposite side - is that fact? If so, it changes my outlook a bit as we need players willing to be flexible for the good of the team.

I never heard that, but I do know just by watching him play that he was focused on his contract year. One game after a loss I recall DD calling out someone on the team for being selfish. Many thought that this comment was made towards Fiala. I think it was made toward Roy. He was often leaving the zone early leaving Gavy out to dry. I mean he was consantly beating the forwards up the ice. This was during the big skid the Kings had. It was very apparent that for a good part of the season that he was trying to score points, more than playing to win.

 

[symbology]

Boomer raised a great point about not trusting the 4th line and 3rd pairing. So if you sign Marner, how does that actually improve things? He takes half the money and you need to replace Gavrikov.

That is a very good question.

One thing is the fact that the young kids will have another year under their belt(s). There will be no Lewis, and if they sign Jeannot to a reasonable deal the 4th line should be improved next year. 4th liners are relatively cheap. If they sign Marner maybe they can make a trade for a top 4 LHD with more mobility and skill.

 

[Dr. Tran]

Boomer raised a great point about not trusting the 4th line and 3rd pairing. So if you sign Marner, how does that actually improve things? He takes half the money and you need to replace Gavrikov.

4th liners are a dime a dozen. And Hiller should’ve trusted the players he had.

 

[Dr. Tran]

Curious, I never heard he refused to play the opposite side - is that fact? If so, it changes my outlook a bit as we need players willing to be flexible for the good of the team.

Maybe what I heard was wrong. But that was what I heard.

 

[Dr. Tran]

Not playing the 4th line was arguably the biggest mistake of Hiller’s disastrous post season. He had the players. Helenius, Turcotte and Mallott were good enough to play as much as Edmonton’s 4th line. They simply were.

Holland very clearly will be adding a cheap vet who fits on the bottom six better than Trevor Lewis. He did it in Edmonton and he’ll do it here.

It seems likely that Holland will be moving a lot more pieces this summer than previously anticipated. Yes the Kings were close this season but I really can’t see Holland running Blake’s roster back one more season. He’s going to make this team his own.

One of the problems with Hiller not playing the 4th line & 3rd D is that we can’t really assess whether or not we need to upgrade or by how much. Of course yes upgrade, but I’m very happy with Helenius centering the 4th line. Then resign Jeannot & bring up Andre Lee. I like that. And Mallotte was a good fill in. With Spence, maybe he’s not a 20 minute guy. But he’s not a 5 minute guy either. He should’ve played more to really see what he could give. And Clarke should’ve been playing 20 minutes instead of Doughty. It’s going to take me a long time to get over Hiller’s playoff coaching decisions.

 

[Bollocks]

I think the coach is at fault for not trusting the 4th line and 3rd pairing.

...and the coach will be the same.

Maybe another season under Helenius' belt and a healthy Jeannot convince him otherwise...

 

[Statue4Deano]

One of the problems with Hiller not playing the 4th line & 3rd D is that we can’t really assess whether or not we need to upgrade or by how much. Of course yes upgrade, but I’m very happy with Helenius centering the 4th line. Then resign Jeannot & bring up Andre Lee. I like that. And Mallotte was a good fill in. With Spence, maybe he’s not a 20 minute guy. But he’s not a 5 minute guy either. He should’ve played more to really see what he could give. And Clarke should’ve been playing 20 minutes instead of Doughty. It’s going to take me a long time to get over Hiller’s playoff coaching decisions.

I believe Hiller’s flat out rejection of 1/4th of the forwards and 1/3 of the d-men gives Holland the greenlight to mold the bottom parts of the roster in his image.

This is why I can see lots of roster activity this summer. I don’t buy it for a second that he’s just going to tweak the roster because they had over 100 points this season. Holland didn’t come off the shelf to babysit someone else’s team.

 

[Earl]

I never heard that, but I do know just by watching him play that he was focused on his contract year. One game after a loss I recall DD calling out someone on the team for being selfish. Many thought that this comment was made towards Fiala. I think it was made toward Roy. He was often leaving the zone early leaving Gavy out to dry. I mean he was consantly beating the forwards up the ice. This was during the big skid the Kings had. It was very apparent that for a good part of the season that he was trying to score points, more than playing to win.

I remember seeing DD in that video and I always assumed and still do that he was talking about Dubois.

 

[notbob]

 

[Statue4Deano]

I wonder if the magic number is 100M. 100/7 =14.286

Carolina makes a lot of sense. More than Vegas. Maybe more than LA if only because the Hurricanes have had deep playoff runs. If Marner wants to get paid and get a Cup it’s hard to argue that Carolina isn’t closer to that than LA.

We know Carolina loves their small defensively responsible forwards.

I can see a deal happening.

 

[JC6388LAKings]

I wonder if the magic number is 100M. 100/7 =14.286

Carolina makes a lot of sense. More than Vegas. Maybe more than LA if only because the Hurricanes have had deep playoff runs. If Marner wants to get paid and get a Cup it’s hard to argue that Carolina is closer to that than LA.

We know Carolina loves their small defensively responsible forwards.

I can see a deal happening.

Then let Marner go to Raleigh. I'm not crying if the Kings pass on him this offseason. In terms of integrity in the playoffs, he sure ain't the guy to check the boxes for LA.

 

[orpheus]

Marner will play for a new team? So the new team coming to Atlanta?

 

[Statue4Deano]

Then let Marner go to Raleigh. I'm not crying if the Kings pass on him this offseason. In terms of integrity in the playoffs, he sure ain't the guy to check the boxes for LA.

I can pretty easily justify paying him up to 14.5M per year imo. If he wants more than that it’s not a good fit.

Plan B is a significant step down and probably involves clearing out what’s left of the prospect cupboard. I really don’t want to see that happen.

 

[hokiecat]

I can pretty easily justify paying him up to 14.5M per year imo. If he wants more than that it’s not a good fit.

Plan B is a significant step down and probably involves clearing out what’s left of the prospect cupboard. I really don’t want to see that happen.

14.5 million is what actual superstar players like McDavid and Mackinnon and Draisaitl should be making. Not Marner. These kinds of deals are the ones which ruin a team for half a decade.

 

[Statue4Deano]

14.5 million is what actual superstar players like McDavid and Mackinnon and Draisaitl should be making. Not Marner. These kinds of deals are the ones which ruin a team for half a decade.

The cap hit is not nearly as important as the percentage of the cap the contract consumes.

The Salary Cap is guaranteed to go up to 113.5. 14.5M is 12.77% of total cap space.

Today’s salary cap is 83.537M. 12.77% of that is 10.667M. 10.667M would be the 13th highest cap hit today right below Mitch Marner’s $10.9M…

The biggest advantage the Kings have over the other playoff teams in their division is medium and long term cap space because of their lack of long term big money contracts.

This flexibility was clearly being reserved for a big money acquisition/free agent. That’s why Blake pursed Rantanen. Rantanen said no. As we’ve seen time and again it takes more than cap space to get a star player to sign in LA. LA will never get a chance to acquire a superstar like McDavid or Draisaitl or MacKinnon.

There’s a star player who reportedly is willing to say yes if the money is right. There’s a fit and the money will not ruin the team for a decade because it’s 12% of the cap. And that cap is going up as the league decides to expand.