santiclaws
I was in the pool!!
"I want Mitch Marner!"
"We have Mitch Marner at home."
Mitch Marner at home:
"We have Mitch Marner at home."
Mitch Marner at home:
Marner Watch
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Ranma
Anything Goes Martial Art
Steve Dangle laments the missed opportunity of what could have been with Mitch Marner in Toronto. While by his own admission, Dangle doesn't discuss management's involvement in the situation much, he does point to people in Marner's camp and on his payroll as being a negative influence on him.
Statue4Deano
Super Star
emsomaso
The Swedish King
He can go and (something naughty) himself…
LAKingSteve
Super Star
never a bride, always the bridesmaid...
Statue4Deano
Super Star
it’s extra annoying because Holland decided to sit on his hands waiting for July 1st while Vegas was proactive and got their guy.
Also we now know New York was interested in a sign and trade for Gavrikov to get the extra year but Holland passed.
Rangers And Kings Were Reportedly Working On Sign-And-Trade For Vladislav Gavrikov Before Big Signing
The New York Rangers’ Vladislav Gavrikov signing could have gone a slightly different way.
DryKing
Power Forward
I wonder if he had any actual control over either situation. Regarding Marner, I really think there is nothing Holland could have done to get Marner to come to LA short of things falling through with Vegas.it’s extra annoying because Holland decided to sit on his hands waiting for July 1st while Vegas was proactive and got their guy.
Also we now know New York was interested in a sign and trade for Gavrikov to get the extra year but Holland passed.
Rangers And Kings Were Reportedly Working On Sign-And-Trade For Vladislav Gavrikov Before Big Signing
The New York Rangers’ Vladislav Gavrikov signing could have gone a slightly different way.ca.sports.yahoo.com
With Gav, it sounded like the decision was made early on, perhaps in prior to free agency, and New York really had no need to give up assets in a sign and trade.
The biggest problem I have with Holland is the draft stunk and all the same misfits still exist that have not done anything to drive success within the Organization during their time here. I get that Holland can't control most of it, but to keep HIller on as coach and to double down in order to pacify him by signing players who don't move the needle forward but the coach is "willing to play" is sheer nonsense.
Statue4Deano
Super Star
Assuming Gavrikov was ok with it (he would be. his contract is front loaded anyway) the Rangers could’ve spread out his 49M salary over 8 years instead of 7. That takes the cap hit from 7M to 6.12M. That’s potentially worth sending an asset to LA if I’m Chris Drury. Right now the Rags are 777K away from the cap ceiling.
Re: Marner - why was Vegas the favorite to land him? Because their front office put in the work starting last year. Obviously I can’t blame Holland for not doing the same but it’s just another example of what a competent front office does even when they aren’t immediately getting a deal done. Is Holland reaching out to teams/guys that aren’t available today but could be available next season or beyond? A little foresight is not too much to ask.
KernCoKingFan
Tumbleweed Connection....
Unless I missed something, there were multiple times that Holland and others stated Mark Yanetti was going to be the one running the draft before it occurred.
J~
What's up Doc?
Well if that's your biggest complaint, I think a heck of a lot of people believe that Holland is currently laying the groundwork to bring the best player in the world to LA next summer.
Statue4Deano
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DarkLeftHand
Super Star
I think what he’s insinuating is that Holland was possibly hired to wave the flag of intent to McDavids camp that we are welcoming him aboard, and not to sign an extension with Edmonton.
This is clearly what Vegas did by attempting to trade for Marner at the deadline. They likely asked permission from Toronto to discuss an extension with Marners agent at previous trade deadline. I’m sure the conversation went something like this… We’re intent on acquiring Mitch either way, whether Toronto agrees to a trade now, or a sign and trade at the UFA deadline.. or even in free agency. Either way, we’ll see you in Vegas, Mitch and Co.!
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AngelEyes
Top Forward
105 points last season
99 points two seasons ago
104 points three seasons ago
99 points four seasons ago
Not sure I see what you are on about.
Birdman
TEAM LGK
Lost all 4 times to the Oilers when we had the upper hand in 3 of those series.
This season was a complete collapse when we were in total control.
Statue4Deano
Super Star
If McDavid wants to come to LA and reconnect with the GM who couldn’t get him a Cup, I’m all for it. I’ll give anything to see Oilers fans cry.
DarkLeftHand
Super Star
Of course, wouldn’t we all? In any case, I was being somewhat facetious about it being the reason Holland was brought to LA. I doubt Holland’s name or reputation carries much sway in NHL circles these days. He’s just another guy handing out contracts.
DryKing
Power Forward
Below are the only results that matter. Do you really consider this success?
| 2024-2025 | NHL | 82 | 43 | 25 | - | 5 | 9 | 250 | 206 | 105 | 1.28 | 4 | Conference QF loss |
| 2023-2024 | NHL | 82 | 37 | 27 | - | 7 | 11 | 256 | 215 | 99 | 1.21 | 7 | Conference QF loss |
| 2022-2023 | NHL | 82 | 37 | 25 | - | 10 | 10 | 280 | 257 | 104 | 1.27 | 5 | Conference QF loss |
| 2021-2022 | NHL | 82 | 35 | 27 | - | 9 | 11 | 239 | 236 | 99 | 1.21 | 6 | Conference QF loss |
| 2020-2021 | NHL | 56 | 21 | 28 | - | - | 7 | 143 | 170 | 49 | 0.88 | 25 | Did not make playoffs |
| 2019-2020 | NHL | 70 | 29 | 35 | - | - | 6 | 178 | 212 | 64 | 0.91 | 28 | Did not make playoffs
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| 2018-2019 | NHL | 82 | 31 | 42 | - | - | 9 | 202 | 263 | 71 | 0.87 | 30 | Did not make playoffs |
| 2017-2018 | NHL | 82 | 45 | 29 | - | - | 8 | 239 | 203 | 98 | 1.2 | 12 | Conference QF loss |
| 2016-2017 | NHL | 82 | 39 | 35 | - | - | 8 | 201 | 205 | 86 | 1.05 | 22 | Did not make playoffs |
| 2015-2016 | NHL | 82 | 48 | 28 | - | - | 6 | 225 | 195 | 102 | 1.24 | 8 | Conference QF loss |
| 2014-2015 | NHL | 82 | 40 | 27 | - | - | 15 | 220 | 205 | 95 | 1.16 | 18 | Did not make playoffs |
DryKing
Power Forward
Unfortunately you seem to have missed the point. Yanetti has not drafted above average over his time with the Kings, so at what point does he get held accountable?
Is the answer to continue to strive for mediocrity by allowing the same group of leaders run the ship that has taken them nowhere in the past 10 seasons? If so the Kings Organization is doing a bang up job.
Clif
Super Star
This comes up a lot here. Michael Amadio, Nick Dowd, and Mikey Eyssimont are all still playing. There is a long list of players drafted by the Kings under Yanetti who have 200+ game careers. The current roster has many young draftees playing impact roles.
I don’t believe the issue is drafting. I think Blake squandered assets. I’d like to know who has drafted significantly better than Yanetti and team given what’s available to them.
I’m not saying there aren’t any. Dallas and Tampa Bay are good answers. But given how readily the Kings drafting is described as average or worse by some posters here, let me know who else is clearly better. And also by what metric.
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