Panarin to Kings

[DryKing]

I think he’s totally worth this year’s first. Young center. Only putting up half a point a game so far but there’s room for growth. A lot better than what Turc has shown.

My concern is that SEA is only trading him for an established top 6 forward. That’s what’s been reported. But if futures and Turcotte could get him, it’d have to be a number of pieces. I think he’d be well worth that.

Yeah, you are right - Wright is worth a 1st round pick depending on where it falls. I just wouldn't give up a 1st round pick this year as the draft is relatively deep and I think there is a good chance a player can be had who is better than Wright.

When I say better, that is obviously subjective. Wright has a ton of potential but he also has some pretty relevant behavioral baggage. That, plus his poor draft interviews and the fact that he is already being pegged as needing a change of scenery, adds a good deal to risk to the equation as to whether or not he will ever realize that potential. He has the potential to be a grand slam for the team that trades for him, but players with attitude issues take a lot out of the locker room and can significantly hold team cohesion back. Unless a player is world-class, or comes super cheap, I just wouldn't take a chance on a player with behavioral issues.

Skill-wise, though, I am totally with you.

 

[Clif]

Yeah, you are right - Wright is worth a 1st round pick depending on where it falls. I just wouldn't give up a 1st round pick this year as the draft is relatively deep and I think there is a good chance a player can be had who is better than Wright.

When I say better, that is obviously subjective. Wright has a ton of potential but he also has some pretty relevant behavioral baggage. That, plus his poor draft interviews and the fact that he is already being pegged as needing a change of scenery, adds a good deal to risk to the equation as to whether or not he will ever realize that potential. He has the potential to be a grand slam for the team that trades for him, but players with attitude issues take a lot out of the locker room and can significantly hold team cohesion back. Unless a player is world-class, or comes super cheap, I just wouldn't take a chance on a player with behavioral issues.

Skill-wise, though, I am totally with you.

Jeff Marek had Wright’s sports psychologist on his show, so he is working on mindset which shows maturity. From what I have seen of him in games he’s a noticeably hard worker.

He makes 900k next year and then will still be an RFA of course so the risk feels minimal. I’d give up a decent haul for him but like I said I don’t know that’s what SEA wants.

All of this is to say I’ve been one of the pro-Petterson posters but i am starting to get real cold feet on that idea. Definitely colors my thinking here too.

 

[dneprovec]

Artemi Panarin has 21 goals, 40 assists and a plus-minus of -18 in 73 games in the playoffs in his career.
yes +/- isn't great ,but 61 points not too shabby

 

[DryKing]

All of this is to say I’ve been one of the pro-Petterson posters but i am starting to get real cold feet on that idea. Definitely colors my thinking here too.

Same, I was on the pro-Pettersson train too, provided we were able to get him cheap, and still would be willing to take a risk on him at the right price but I really think when it comes to players like Pettersson, and less so Wright, the team needs strong player leadership to keep them on track and out of their own heads. I'm not sure this team has that right now, especially with Kopi retiring.

Maybe with the additions of Panarin and Laughton (provided he re-signs) they do, though.

I agree with you, and others, that the Kings need to take some chances.

 

[What party?]

Artemi Panarin has 21 goals, 40 assists and a plus-minus of -18 in 73 games in the playoffs in his career.
yes +/- isn't great ,but 61 points not too shabby

*Artemi slow walking in an adidas track suit with explosions behind him*

 

[Clif]

Same, I was on the pro-Pettersson train too, provided we were able to get him cheap, and still would be willing to take a risk on him at the right price but I really think when it comes to players like Pettersson, and less so Wright, the team needs strong player leadership to keep them on track and out of their own heads. I'm not sure this team has that right now, especially with Kopi retiring.

Maybe with the additions of Panarin and Laughton (provided he re-signs) they do, though.

I agree with you, and others, that the Kings need to take some chances.

Right they gotta take a chance somewhere. I mean, if Wille Nylander were available I’m good with two firsts and George to start. Never know what’s next for TOR. But I could play this what if game all day.

You hit something important. Can the room absorb Pettersson’s issues and put him on track again. Kings couldn’t with PLD, but Ovi and Wilson absolutely could.

PLD couldn’t play like that on the 2012 and 14 teams. Those guys all got Penner, King, Pearson and Toffoli to play pivotal roles.

I don’t know what Petterson needs. Maybe Kempe would be the key.

 

[DryKing]

Right they gotta take a chance somewhere. I mean, if Wille Nylander were available I’m good with two firsts and George to start. Never know what’s next for TOR. But I could play this what if game all day.

You hit something important. Can the room absorb Pettersson’s issues and put him on track again. Kings couldn’t with PLD, but Ovi and Wilson absolutely could.

PLD couldn’t play like that on the 2012 and 14 teams. Those guys all got Penner, King, Pearson and Toffoli to play pivotal roles.

I don’t know what Petterson needs. Maybe Kempe would be the key.

Totally agree on Nylander. Bringing in either him or Matthews would be huge for the team. Both are known quantities and would demand a high price tag, but players like them are very hard to find and worth playing for.

It'll be interesting to see what the Kings Org determines to be the new core, and who additionally they want to try to pull into it. If they can build a leadership core anywhere near 2012/14 then, to your point, they can really focus on attempting a few reclamaition projects with big potential yields.

I wonder how different the Danault and Foegele situations would have played out had they had on ice leadership equivalent to 2012/14.

 

[DoubleMinor]

Totally agree on Nylander. Bringing in either him or Matthews would be huge for the team. Both are known quantities and would demand a high price tag, but players like them are very hard to find and worth playing for.

It'll be interesting to see what the Kings Org determines to be the new core, and who additionally they want to try to pull into it. If they can build a leadership core anywhere near 2012/14 then, to your point, they can really focus on attempting a few reclamaition projects with big potential yields.

I wonder how different the Danault and Foegele situations would have played out had they had on ice leadership equivalent to 2012/14.

Nylander would be a great addition. Matthews I think would also be good, although more of a 1A-1B thing. I don’t have issue with either, depending of course on the cost.
Any team trading with the Kings in a top-tier trade will want Laffy. Of course you give to get, but that’s very close to a deal-breaker for me. Laffy has 19 & 21 goals these last two seasons, and that’s the very low end of where he’s going to be for the next 6-8 years. Plus his versatility, ability, competitiveness & responsibility are all A-plus qualities. He is as close to untouchable in my opinion as almost anyone on this roster.
But again, acquiring top players comes with a cost.