Panarin to Kings

[The Nuts]

Yep, I watch some Rangers PO games a few years ago and he was soft, soft, soft. I think that was 22-23 where his point totals were way off. Maybe he was injured, or? That is why early on in this thread I said no thank you. I guess we will all see for ourselves.

I thought it over and I am ok with it,
We got him at a discount and a big name finally chose us.
Probably because his wife is a model/actress.

Now its about Hiller putting the right players with him and what moves Holand makes with the supporting cast.
We saw last night how big of a loss Anderson is with his injury.

 

[Birdman]

Um, her dad is a legendary Russian player and coach. She's a former model turned wife.

Uncle

 

[Moog]

....to add to the accolades, I hear he is a magician as well !!!

....just watch him make himself disappear come the playoffs!


I'll show my self out.

 

[The Nuts]

Yeah that failed experiment in byfield has to go...you know the one...that makes 6 million a year and can't win a face off...or control a puck.. yeah buh...bye....next time let's not choose a player cause he chex a box. Let's pick one cause he can play

100% disagree and support Byf.
This year is mulligan.
Lets see what he can do with a new coach next season.
He is playing at his floor and is a very good defensive center that earns what Danault did or less when you factor in inflation the last 3 years.
Byfields ceiling hasn't changed and he can try out in on line 1 c with Pan.

 

[McSorleyFan]

The Panarin trade is the signal that the Kings are still in win now mode - for atleast 2 years. What other changes are coming - who knows?

 

[The Nuts]

Panarin was on a last place team. What is he going to bring to the Kings. The Kings did not need Panarin, they need players with heart. Didn't Holland sign a three year contact. He doesn't give a flying f if this move buries this organization. He wasn't going to start the rebuild, the Kings will be a middle range team that is not bad enough to get a high draft choice but not good enough to get into the playoffs. The Kings were pathetic tonight playing against a team that was on a back to back on the road.

Panarin was on a last place team. What is he going to bring to the Kings. The Kings did not need Panarin, they need players with heart. Didn't Holland sign a three year contact. He doesn't give a flying f if this move buries this organization. He wasn't going to start the rebuild, the Kings will be a middle range team that is not bad enough to get a high draft choice but not good enough to get into the playoffs. The Kings were pathetic tonight playing against a team that was on a back to back on the road.

I felt like this at first about Pan and after the game.
But we got him cheap and no other big names pick LA so you gotta do this.
Especially when it is alleged another team offered him 3 million more a year.
Agree on Holland, but he did his job.
Now he needs to put the right pieces around him.
I think the Kings greatly missed Mikey last night, he is our #1 shut down d and you can see it.
We must get Kuzmenk extended even if it is during the Summer, if we fall out of the playoffs and Holland trades him as a rental

 

[The Nuts]

OK, so...Ken did something. Is it a good thing? I don't know.

First impressions:
+ from a win-now perspective (which is the unfortunate reality we live in) this wasn't too bad, he didn't give up a lot for him, and I like the contract extension - 2 years coincides with Ken's contract...I guess we're going all in for 2 more years and then we scrap it up; I guess this also makes sense from Doughty's perspective...which means 1 more year of overplayed DD and no DD trade at the deadline
+ powerplay should be improved
? 3 on 3 probably won't be improved if he's not a great skater?
- he's 34 and is likely on a decline already...Kovalchuk in his first season was around the same age as Panarin will be next season...not sure I like that
? he's not a very fast skater and he's not in any way, shape or form a two-way player...so how does he fit Hiller hockey? Is Ken firing Hiller, too? If so, when?
? he's more of a playmaker, but the Kings need finishers, and he's a right shot LW, so perhaps he'll be utilized as more of a finisher?
- if he wanted to come to LA because his wife/GF is an actress that can't be a great thing
- why the hell didn't he take Gavrikov with him in return for a 1st rounder?
- the Kings still need a center for next season...is Laf going to be the 2nd line center if Ken fails to sign someone at free agency (likelihood of which is very high)?
? Why on earth is Panarin listed as a Center on NHL.com? They might as well change the player positions to F if it's a forward, they have no clue.

To start:
Panarin-Byfield-Kempe
Fiala-Turcotte-Laferriere
Kuzmenko-Kopitar-Moore
Armia-Helenius-Perry

Foegele??? Malott, Ward

So...the Kings have improved skill on the offense...and defense is still missing a mobile D-man. More moves incoming if Ken is that serious about competing? We have another winger now...someone has to go. Foegele's trade value is at an all time low ATM but he's the most likely to go IMO from the perspective of improving this team's current chances.

From a perspective of maximizing assets, you trade Kuz and Perry for 2 late 1st round picks (with a late pick added if necessary) and turn that and Ceci/Dumo/Edmundson into someone able to man the PP and able to play 3 on 3...but IMO Ken is too much of an ego to admit his mistake in signing Ceci/Dumo to do something like that and trading Clarke's D-partner might not be a good idea.

great breakdown.
I think DD with Mkey is a good pair and look what happens when DD and no Mikey.
3 on 3 will be improved, he is elite and with that space.
Logic and history indict the Kings will have a new coach by next season unless Panarin comes in and has a seamless transition.
Hiller was not a Holland hire so he would probably have to get the Kings in and past round 1 to merit consideration to continue on.
everything changes now with an elite top line winger for the coaches and the players.
It is evaluation anew.
Rags likely want to keep Gav and build around him.
Ironic Gav left and Panarin ate what would have been his salary.
I would rather have Pan.
WHo cares why he came.
We finally had a big name chose LA and he got thKings a huge discount and signed for cheaper than what he could have got.
The Kings still have Laffy as a fall back center but getting an FA like Coyle would be great.
But no one has to go because Kopitar is leaving.
I don't want to see the Spence move where you dump someone and then scramble for a replacement.
Get a replacement and then make a move to dump someone.
The focus is already shifting to next season after a brief window to see if Panarin can make a seamless transition and propel the Kings into the playoffs with win streaks that will be needed.
Holland only has 2 more seasons and the mandate to win now.
And the orgaization just proved it, they don't want picks.
They want players now.
I want Perry and Kuz back, grit and goals are what the Kings need and that net front Perry.
If you are going to the playoffs you do not trade them and either way get them back in the Summer.
Lol you cant trade 3 defenders, for one , who fills those slots.
It was devastating just losing 2 defenders this year, stability especially on the rear guard is important.
Edmundsen has been great for Clarkes development so he stays on as his partner or any other young d we try.
dumo is ok and Ceci as improved.
Remember Pan is anomaly, players are not lining up to come to the Kings.
Holland does not have an ego, he just realized, your moves are like rolls of the dice, you make the roll and hope for the best. And then you make another roll.
Everyone on the team needs to be evaluated on how they play and where they slot I after Pan joins the team and even next season where we very likely have a new coach

 

[The Nuts]

Panarin hasn't played a game in a while, he wasn't able to get on a plane last night after the trade and fly out to Vegas to meet the team and play in one game tonight? After the game, fly back to NY for the week off? I guess this Vegas game is not that important.

Holland and Hiller decide to let him join the team after the Olympics and I am sure he appreciates it.
Smooth transition to meet with coaches and team and practice and learn the system.
Its the right move

 

[The Nuts]

2 puck chasers? I think you give Fiala far too much credit there

Byfield is turning into a very good defensive center and that reach is unbeatable. Fiala has improved on D despite a bit of regression lately.
QB can speed the entry and get the puck to Pan of Fia

 

[The Nuts]

No word on a No Trade/Movement in the extension but it seems likely.

Yup considering in signed for 11 instead of 14

 

[The Nuts]

He is? His +/- is better than most forwards and not by a little. Only Kopitar, Kempe and Laf are better and two of the those are premier defensive players in the entire league.

Even aside from that the net front presence , especially PP,
and the grit make Perry , a player we need back.
I mean he was brought in for 4th line and has played himself up to L1. That is very valuable as well

 

[The Nuts]

Neither Perry nor Kuz are worthy of a 1st round pick, and they’re both FAs at the end of the season anyway.

Perry should go, but Kuz should be re-signed, especially with a fellow Russian now joining the team. He plays his ass off every shift and is rarely a defensive liability.

DD should retire a King. He just needs to play less minutes and no more PK. But if he asked out, I would get what I could if I were Holland.

Kings already struggle to score so getting rid of Fiala would be a mistake. Even with his stupid penalties. He needs a good C to play with, not Byfield.

And Turc is a bust. He should be part of a trade package along with QB.

Agree but not on Perry, QB or Turc.
Its the Panarin reset.
You have to see how everyone plays and slots in with Panarin.
Perry has already been a great addition, remember they had him for L4.
Any issues is because he has been played all the way up o L1, a good thing but at 40 its a lot of minutes to ask

 

[The Nuts]

Who was it here that said "don't get married to players"? I don't know who this Greentree kid is, but the Kings need to start winning instead of barely getting a point or losing by a goal. Getting Panarin is a good start to go in the winning direction. For the record, I'm fine with blowing up the whole team and doing a full rebuild. The only person who's safe is Kopi because he's gone in a couple months. Everyone else in my mind is tradable.

The Kings just showed everyone they are going for it now, and for 2 more seasons

 

[The Nuts]

Totally agree with you on Foegele. He's a good player who clearly is not enjoying the current experience on this team. I think he still holds a good deal of trade value.

I'd definitely keep Turc over TO, largely due to Turc having a comparatively low trade value to TO and a much lower AAV. In my opinion, Turc has a higher ceiling than TO, but TO is currently the superior player. It's uncertain as to whether or not Turc will rise to the level of TO (likely he will if he can stay healthy and avoid further concussions), let alone surpass him, but he is actually more valuable to this team which is short on NHL-level centers and somewhat weak in the faceoff circle. Really Turc and Kopi are the two players who can be relied on to consistently win draws, and Kopi will not be around after this season. Turc is also defensively responsible and more creative in the offensive zone (as a facilitator).

TO is a very good two-way wing with a scoring touch. His main value, currently, however falls within the defensive zone which is an area of strength for the Kings. They could move him for either a goal scoring wing or mobile defenseman, two areas of weakness for the Kings.

Turc is safe and we have too many wingers.
I would hold everyone as their values are low.
Send Ward back down.
His last 2 games have been not as good
Holland signed him for two years to deter a waiver wire snatch, so I think that is his plan anyway.
A new evaluation starts now with Panarin, see who fits where and how they do in their new configuration .
The Kings are committed to go for it now even if they don't make the playoffs, its about the next 2 seaons and the Holland/Panarin era
I would offer Kuz and Perry, Clarke , Moverare and Mallot extensions over the Olympic break and tell them we want guys committed for the Panarin era regardless of this season.
Sign or we are very likely to trade you

 

[Statue4Deano]

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This is incredible if true. Not only is he taking 2 years and less AAV, Seattle is in a no income tax state.

 

[The Nuts]

This is incredible if true. Not only is he taking 2 years and less AAV, Seattle is in a no income tax state.

The Panarins will make it up and a lot more in Holywood
NHL players with hot wives take note!

 

[Johnnysuede71]

This is incredible if true. Not only is he taking 2 years and less AAV, Seattle is in a no income tax state.

In other words...you have to take advantage of the extraordinarily rare time a superstar CHOOSES the Kings and make sure he doesn't regret it. This trade is life support...now that it has actually happened.

 

[orpheus]

You peeps are reading too much into it. Panarin just wanted to be near all the King Tacos.