Panarin to Kings

[symbology]

Seems QB is pretty much becoming our Alexis Lafreniere of the Kings or maybe Kakko. Well, if that's how QB is being viewed here by some people currently, then I guess there's no swaying their mule-headed opinions. The Kings have already traded away Greentree and another prospect for Panarin and I myself personally disliked that trade; I doubt that trading away QB is going to help things. It'll only make the Kings worse at C unless the FO is asking for more first-round and/or second-round picks for this kind of trade.



You, for one, seem to be part of that "bag of pucks" crowd. Correct me if I'm wrong but here's this from you just earlier:



What are we, Toronto fans? Because we all know they're infamous for their habit of over-scrutinizing their own players and actively hating them to the point that they're as bad as Eagles fans. Do we really want to stoop to that kind of level? I know this season has been majorly frustrating and I've tuned out from watching Kings games lately but come on, now.

I think for many people the only time that they agree with the thought of trading QB is for an upgrade for and actual youngish 1C. Not dumping him for parts, prospects or picks and a few 3rd liners.

Sure, there are those that have given up on QB and want to move on. Most others are ok with a hockey trade using QB. Those are two drastically different positions.

 

[JC6388LAKings]

I think for many people the only time that they agree with the thought of trading QB is for an upgrade for and actual youngish 1C. Not dumping him for parts, prospects or pics of a few 3rd liners.

Sure, there are those that have given up on QB and want to move on. Most others are ok with a hockey trade using QB. Those are two drastically different positions.

Unfortunately, there aren't any 1Cs available in the market that are of QB's age to trade him away for, especially if the future 1C is potentially going to be twice the player QB is. So for now, I think Holland might want to keep his first-round picks for the next coming drafts if he's looking for a future 1C after Kopi retires.

 

[symbology]

Unfortunately, there aren't any 1Cs available in the market that are of QB's age to trade him away for, especially if the future 1C is potentially going to be twice the player QB is. So for now, I think Holland might want to keep his first-round picks for the next coming drafts if he's looking for a future 1C after Kopi retires.

Oh, I agree. And any that will be available will not be cheap. However, that does not change the fact that the Kings need a top center to replace Kopi, or one to replace QB, should QB be able to replace Kopi. Either way the Kings are screwed.

I think for the assets given up Panarin was a good gamble. Greentree is in the OHL, still has question marks with his skating. Sucks that he is gone, as he was the lone top prospect for the Kings that does not play goal. Is what it is though. Kings will not rebuild, so they will just continue to flounder around as the prospect pool continues to get thinner and thinner.

 

[DoubleMinor]

Oh, I agree. And any that will be available will not be cheap. However, that does not change the fact that the Kings need a top center to replace Kopi, or one to replace QB, should QB be able to replace Kopi. Either way the Kings are screwed.

I think for the assets given up Panarin was a good gamble. Greentree is in the OHL, still has question marks with his skating. Sucks that he is gone, as he was the lone top prospect for the Kings that does not play goal. Is what it is though. Kings will not rebuild, so they will just continue to flounder around as the prospect pool continues to get thinner and thinner.

I could easily be wrong but I find myself more inclined to use trades of draft picks to fill the bigger roster holes.
The Kings first round picks are not going to be at the top of the first round. (And not great results when they were in the top five.).

Drafting and projecting is imperfect. I think I’m seeing more certainty in trading picks for guys who have NHL talent.

It’s one of the reasons I would probably be in favor of a trade for Robert Thomas even with multiple first round picks. (I did see a rumor of two firsts and a second but no idea if that would get it done.)

If the Kings could trade two firsts, a second, a third, plus Greentree and ultimately end up with Panarin and Thomas, that’s a pretty good return on draft picks. Would the Kings find players via the draft that equal Panarin & Thomas? (I obviously have no idea what career Greentree will have.).

 

[JC6388LAKings]

I could easily be wrong but I find myself more inclined to use trades of draft picks to fill the bigger roster holes.
The Kings first round picks are not going to be at the top of the first round. (And not great results when they were in the top five.).

Drafting and projecting is imperfect. I think I’m seeing more certainty in trading picks for guys who have NHL talent.

It’s one of the reasons I would probably be in favor of a trade for Robert Thomas even with multiple first round picks. (I did see a rumor of two firsts and a second but no idea if that would get it done.)

If the Kings could trade two firsts, a second, a third, plus Greentree and ultimately end up with Panarin and Thomas, that’s a pretty good return on draft picks. Would the Kings find players via the draft that equal Panarin & Thomas? (I obviously have no idea what career Greentree will have.).

The Kings' first-round picks certainly aren't going to be at the top of the round anyways even if they do deliberately tank their season to try and positionally bounce up their picks because of the randomness of the lottery. All that matters is that the Kings will hopefully get a legit 1C in the drafts even if that player isn't going to be a Crosby or McDavid-like 1C. I sure hope Holland doesn't go full win-now mode and trade away those first-round picks when our prospect pool has recently gotten thinner because if he does, I'll be screaming for both his and Luc's heads.

And regarding the current situation, I don't think Thomas is worth the picks to get him so at this point, the Kings are not in an ideal position to trade again for more impactful players to be considered legit playoff contenders. If they were to trade for him and he turns out to be a rental, that's a no-win for the Kings because with those picks traded away, that means the prospect pool will get dried up and will set the Kings back several years. Heck, even if Thomas wasn't a rental, the Kings will still find themselves caught between a rock and a hard place in either scenario in regards to their prospect pool.

To me, I think the Kings should deliberately cast themselves out of the playoff race and purposely lose their remaining games in the second half of this season by setting themselves in better position with their first-round pick of this year's upcoming draft even if that means putting an ignoble end to Kopi's career, that's all I can say about this.

 

[Bollocks]

And this^^^. It isn't that Byfield sucks. It is just that he isn't playing like you'd want/hope a #2 overall plays. Why is that so difficult for people here to understand? Fun fact, 2018 Caps had 14 first round picks on the team. What is the point of that? first rounders usually end up being solid NHL players but not all are top line guys. The 4C was Brett Connolly who was a #6 overall. He never became the player he was hoped to be but played over 500 NHL games.

The difficult thing for me to understand is...how much relevance does that bear on whether it is more sensible to be patient, change the coach and see if QB takes steps forward or if it's more sensible to double down on a coach the whole team struggles with offensively and sell (possibly very) low on Byfield?

Does the fact that at this point in his career he's worse than the #3 overall and because there's a chance he never will be as good as the #3 overall is now mean we're going to be making bad decisions regarding how this team is handled by its coach and how Ken values Byfield in relation to what this team needs to succeed?

Oh, I agree. And any that will be available will not be cheap. However, that does not change the fact that the Kings need a top center to replace Kopi, or one to replace QB, should QB be able to replace Kopi. Either way the Kings are screwed.

I think for the assets given up Panarin was a good gamble. Greentree is in the OHL, still has question marks with his skating. Sucks that he is gone, as he was the lone top prospect for the Kings that does not play goal. Is what it is though. Kings will not rebuild, so they will just continue to flounder around as the prospect pool continues to get thinner and thinner.

I disagree. I think both Wooley and Bruschetta are top pairing potential, and Lombardi and Cihar both have top 6 potential.

None of them are very obviously below what Greentree was.

I agree none of them is an almost sure-fire blue chip prospect, though...

 

[Pevsfreedom]

You mean the guy that played in 33 horrible games for the Kings during the time that Kopi played over 390 games over 5 years? Kopi spent a lot more time playing in front of Quick in comparison.

Yes, the team did suck back then.

Good lord. Those 33 games felt like 3 seasons in my memory. 2007-8 was rough and partly why I became such a huge Quick fan. I have a team signed jersey from 2007... I mean it's got Kopi and Brown on it so I'm happy about that.

 

[DoubleMinor]

The Kings' first-round picks certainly aren't going to be at the top of the round anyways even if they do deliberately tank their season to try and positionally bounce up their picks because of the randomness of the lottery. All that matters is that the Kings will hopefully get a legit 1C in the drafts even if that player isn't going to be a Crosby or McDavid-like 1C. I sure hope Holland doesn't go full win-now mode and trade away those first-round picks when our prospect pool has recently gotten thinner because if he does, I'll be screaming for both his and Luc's heads.

And regarding the current situation, I don't think Thomas is worth the picks to get him so at this point, the Kings are not in an ideal position to trade again for more impactful players to be considered legit playoff contenders. If they were to trade for him and he turns out to be a rental, that's a no-win for the Kings because with those picks traded away, that means the prospect pool will get dried up and will set the Kings back several years. Heck, even if Thomas wasn't a rental, the Kings will still find themselves caught between a rock and a hard place in either scenario in regards to their prospect pool.

To me, I think the Kings should deliberately cast themselves out of the playoff race and purposely lose their remaining games in the second half of this season by setting themselves in better position with their first-round pick of this year's upcoming draft even if that means putting an ignoble end to Kopi's career, that's all I can say about this.

I wouldn’t do it either if Thomas was a rental. I would do it because he’s signed for five more years at just over 8M.

 

[The Nuts]

It's easier to evolve into a 1st line center if you come out of the gate scoring and develop your defensive game later. Are trying to imply that regardless of plus/minus you would be perfectly content with 40-50 points a year from your 1C?? Please. And btw...I never said trade him...I said 'Byfield is not a top line center'...which is the position I think we can all agree he is/was being groomed for especially as the number 2 pick.

The Kings put an emphasis on the opposite defensive game 1st.
If QB has 40-50 , he will not continue to be the 1C , he will be bumped down.
We are short on C.
Absolute worst time to trade Byf.
Keep him even if ends up a 3 C, defensive specialist.

I am sure Ken told the Rags and Pans camp that we are looking for a Center so we can't blow too much on a winger, even though we would love to add you.
He was honest and thereby got Pan for cheap and extended for 2 for a very reasonable 11 mil.
Fans are very frustrated after 4 straight post season losses to Oil and stumbling into the KH era .
THe tendency is too put too much emphasis on one culprit.
I.e. dump Byf for a ridiculously low amount when he could end up being a great 3c or good 2c.
Or Hiller is the antichrist, blah blah blah.
Its a rough adjustment out of the Blake and into the Holland era.
It's the understandable, its the team and the entire franchise that has added up to this.
There is no magic deletion or addition for the impatience.

 

[The Nuts]

The Kings' first-round picks certainly aren't going to be at the top of the round anyways even if they do deliberately tank their season to try and positionally bounce up their picks because of the randomness of the lottery. All that matters is that the Kings will hopefully get a legit 1C in the drafts even if that player isn't going to be a Crosby or McDavid-like 1C. I sure hope Holland doesn't go full win-now mode and trade away those first-round picks when our prospect pool has recently gotten thinner because if he does, I'll be screaming for both his and Luc's heads.

And regarding the current situation, I don't think Thomas is worth the picks to get him so at this point, the Kings are not in an ideal position to trade again for more impactful players to be considered legit playoff contenders. If they were to trade for him and he turns out to be a rental, that's a no-win for the Kings because with those picks traded away, that means the prospect pool will get dried up and will set the Kings back several years. Heck, even if Thomas wasn't a rental, the Kings will still find themselves caught between a rock and a hard place in either scenario in regards to their prospect pool.

To me, I think the Kings should deliberately cast themselves out of the playoff race and purposely lose their remaining games in the second half of this season by setting themselves in better position with their first-round pick of this year's upcoming draft even if that means putting an ignoble end to Kopi's career, that's all I can say about this.

The Kings are not tanking their season until they really fall out of the race.
Teams are looking at and developing their younger players just a s much as they are tanking , even though the tank is glorified as the golden path to the future.
teams are not doing what Buf and ana did with full rebuilds , they are retooling to different degrees.
At times it almost happens organically like with the Kings, Specne and Dault ask out , Gav bailed.
You absolutely can not say no to Pan at what we got and gave him. It left less room for Ken to go after a big name C and that may help us to retain our top picks and what's left of our prospects.
If this seasons trajectory continues in the next one, we will be close to a lot higher end picks in the draft.
That is not KH's mission or what many of us want to see.
I want to see KH hold everything we have except Kumper at this point until we fall out of the playoff race.
Sell high on Kuemper, hand 1a to Forsby and call up Portillo.
Portillo needs his shot and assessment with the big 3 G prospects coming up behind him.
Get the best C you can get in UFA this Summer.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/available/_/year/2026/position/c

Because we got a deal on Pan does not mean we should overpay for someone like Thomas, and look at the combination of the trades.

As for a coach , IMO Ken wants DeBoer per their lunch chat.
He may go elsewhere or not want to come in until Summer.
We don't want a rental coach , we want a good one committed to the next to seasons, Ken and Pan's time frame.
So yes the Kings are still in for 2 more seasons, retooling as they go under Ken's vision.
So we don't want any rentals, players or coaches, as we are not a contender this , year. \
Ken just showed he knows that and won't do rentals without extensions