PLD for Kuemper

Moog said:
This trade is like tossing a pile of sand on top of a giant dog crap at the beach.

Sure you are grateful you no longer have to smell and see the dog crap, but under that thin cover of sand is still a massive crap.

PLD is gone, but the assets used to acquire are never coming back.
In the end, Alex Iafallo, Gabriel Vilardi, Rasmus Kupari and a 2024 second-round pick for Darcy Kuemper. All that for Kuemper.
Horrible asset management for a GM.


Amazing Blake still has a job.
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This is far from an ideal outcome but let’s not pretend that we gave up much other than Vilardi. I like Iafallo but he wasn’t producing enough and was going to leave at some point anyway. Kupari is worthless. How many second round picks have made the Kings roster?

What gripes me a bit is all the “Blake needs to get rid of PL” and when he does it’s not good enough either.

Getting PL was strategically sound. It didn’t work out at all. So instead of PL being an albatross for most of a decade Blake got rid of him and hopefully filled a hole. Darcy/Rittich is a bridge to Portillo.

What’s more important than this trade is what else happens this off-season.
 
DoubleMinor said:
This is far from an ideal outcome but let’s not pretend that we gave up much other than Vilardi. I like Iafallo but he wasn’t producing enough and was going to leave at some point anyway. Kupari is worthless. How many second round picks have made the Kings roster?

What gripes me a bit is all the “Blake needs to get rid of PL” and when he does it’s not good enough either.

Getting PL was strategically sound. It didn’t work out at all. So instead of PL being an albatross for most of a decade Blake got rid of him and hopefully filled a hole. Darcy/Rittich is a bridge to Portillo.

What’s more important than this trade is what else happens this off-season.
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That’s a pretty objective look at it all.
 
Thank goodness Blake finally did the one thing us fans expected him to do this offseason: get rid of that albatross that was PLD. And in turn, we get back Kuemper. While he's not Ullmark or Saros, at least we have a relatively decent option at goalie for now. I'm not sure if the Kings will retain some of PLD's salary after that much needed trade but either way, this was the absolute right decision Robbie B did for the organization.
 
Statue4Deano said:
I cannot stand the way Blake answers questions in these settings. It’s so needlessly evasive/dismissive and borderline disrespectful however two reporters asked the same dumb question about buying out or releasing PLD and I felt his response was justified.

Can we please get better questions for once?
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I think Joe Reedy was trying to say "buyout PLD" but he said "release". Which is just idiotic to be covering the team and not knowing the proper terminology. Also, the buyout window doesn't open until the season ends, which Edmonton keeps extending. And then idiot Simon Olivier asks the same question. #1 we cannot buy PLD out until the season ends. #2 the only feasible way to do it is before he turns 26 on 6/24.

I wish I could get paid to be completely incompetent at my job.

I'm generally OK with Blake's answers. Very little truthful info gets said in those forums.
 
DoubleMinor said:
This is far from an ideal outcome but let’s not pretend that we gave up much other than Vilardi. I like Iafallo but he wasn’t producing enough and was going to leave at some point anyway. Kupari is worthless. How many second round picks have made the Kings roster?

What gripes me a bit is all the “Blake needs to get rid of PL” and when he does it’s not good enough either.

Getting PL was strategically sound. It didn’t work out at all. So instead of PL being an albatross for most of a decade Blake got rid of him and hopefully filled a hole. Darcy/Rittich is a bridge to Portillo.

What’s more important than this trade is what else happens this off-season.
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It is fair to point out that in the grand scheme of things the Kings did not trade away anyone they should truly regret trading. That being said, they were still good assets at the time of the trade. They should have been used to acquire someone much better than PLD. No matter how they turn out in the long term does not change the fact that the value we got back for them is terrible. As Moog pointed out the Kings are never getting those assets back. All we have to show for it is an aging, slightly above average goaltender.

The team still lacks the kind of impact player that helps you win playoffs games. Blake's two big acquisitions that were supposed to put the team in cup contention were PLD and Fiala. Fiala is no PLD but niether guy is the kind of player who screams "playoff hockey". That's Blakes biggest failure. He blew the teams assets and precious cap space on players who lack the character and grit you need to win while never addressing goaltending and the lack of mobile d-men.
 
That’s two summers in a row Blake has executed best-case recovery from very bad contracts. Now there’s extra room for Chychrun.
hokiecat said:
Kings save 3.25 million per year on the deal and 4 years. The biggest issue with PLD is he showed me zero compete. Contrast that to guys like Danault and Moore. I feel like the Kings identity has been a hard working team. In a perfect world, we are Florida-like. It is hard to credibly play that way when your highest paid center is regularly getting outhustled.
Kuemper definitely got exposed on the glove side a bunch. Hopefully the Kings coaching staff can work with him on stops and rebound control. He also had problems with letting in softies last year (low and medium danger chances hurt him). Keumper is going to be overpaid but he played to his contract 2 years ago and I'm more comfortable with Keumper and Rittich than Talbott and Rittich. Not 3.25 million more comfortable when considering DK vs CT cap hits, but still more comfortable.
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This is exactly it. You can’t pay a player that much to have everyone else outwork him and expect good team morale.

You can’t pay a player that much to get outworked defending and then expect everyone else give their all to the system the Kings want to play.

Trading him also sends a message to reinforce the effort and commitment required to be on this team.
 
EB924 said:
It is fair to point out that in the grand scheme of things the Kings did not trade away anyone they should truly regret trading. That being said, they were still good assets at the time of the trade. They should have been used to acquire someone much better than PLD. No matter how they turn out in the long term does not change the fact that the value we got back for them is terrible. As Moog pointed out the Kings are never getting those assets back. All we have to show for it is an aging, slightly above average goaltender.

The team still lacks the kind of impact player that helps you win playoffs games. Blake's two big acquisitions that were supposed to put the team in cup contention were PLD and Fiala. Fiala is no PLD but niether guy is the kind of player who screams "playoff hockey". That's Blakes biggest failure. He blew the teams assets and precious cap space on players who lack the character and grit you need to win while never addressing goaltending and the lack of mobile d-men.
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I guess my question is if these assets were so valuable, why did we have to give up so many of them to make the PL trade?

We are all just shooting the breeze here, and I’m not trying to be antagonistic or anything of the sort.
I guess in my mind there is a disconnect between what I think their value was and what others imply.

If the Kings had tried to trade Iafallo straight up, what would have been the return? If they just wanted cap space and wanted picks, what would that pick be? I obvs don’t know but I wouldn’t give up a #1 to get him back. Eventually AI was going to need a new contract and was going to walk. He was halfway out the door anyway. To me, Iafallo would be a great role player on a team that is expecting a long playoff run. His contract would expire before that team was the Kings.

Kupari had zero value. In the playoff series two years ago the Kings couldn’t put him on the ice.

Even Villardi, who finally had a year at the NHL level, wasn’t exactly a certainty with his value. I can’t say in the aftermath that I’m glad he was traded. I actually wish he was still here. He’s the only real asset in my mind that was lost.

And a #2 pick is just a crapshoot.

So, while I agree this PL thing was a debacle, I just don’t get the angst about what the Kings gave up. It really doesn’t seem that much.

Re the aging goaltender, I’m not thrilled that he has three years w a hit of 5.25. But he was probably the best available G option WITHOUT trading a first round pick in a year when we already lost the #’s 2-3 picks.
 
Clif said:
That’s two summers in a row Blake has executed best-case recovery from very bad contracts. Now there’s extra room for Chychrun.

This is exactly it. You can’t pay a player that much to have everyone else outwork him and expect good team morale.

You can’t pay a player that much to get outworked defending and then expect everyone else give their all to the system the Kings want to play.

Trading him also sends a message to reinforce the effort and commitment required to be on this team.
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The move always felt premature to me. Like he was trying to force the team into contender status by giving them a final piece. Only problem was once the player hit the ice it was pretty apparent it was an oil and water mixture. He didn’t add anything and instead stuck out in the worst way with his poor effort. Completely counter to the supposed ethos of the team: hard work, defensive effort, structure.

I suppose there’s something to be said for having the guts to take the big swing and then having the awareness to admit you struck out.

Sucks that the assets are gone but that’s the pain of a valuable lesson learned.
 
DoubleMinor said:
I guess my question is if these assets were so valuable, why did we have to give up so many of them to make the PL trade?

We are all just shooting the breeze here, and I’m not trying to be antagonistic or anything of the sort.
I guess in my mind there is a disconnect between what I think their value was and what others imply.

If the Kings had tried to trade Iafallo straight up, what would have been the return? If they just wanted cap space and wanted picks, what would that pick be? I obvs don’t know but I wouldn’t give up a #1 to get him back. Eventually AI was going to need a new contract and was going to walk. He was halfway out the door anyway. To me, Iafallo would be a great role player on a team that is expecting a long playoff run. His contract would expire before that team was the Kings.

Kupari had zero value. In the playoff series two years ago the Kings couldn’t put him on the ice.

Even Villardi, who finally had a year at the NHL level, wasn’t exactly a certainty with his value. I can’t say in the aftermath that I’m glad he was traded. I actually wish he was still here. He’s the only real asset in my mind that was lost.

And a #2 pick is just a crapshoot.

So, while I agree this PL thing was a debacle, I just don’t get the angst about what the Kings gave up. It really doesn’t seem that much.

Re the aging goaltender, I’m not thrilled that he has three years w a hit of 5.25. But he was probably the best available G option WITHOUT trading a first round pick in a year when we already lost the #’s 2-3 picks.
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Holding onto the 1st this year was huge. I think we’re going to get a hell of prospect at 21.
 
aragorn said:
I'd have to see the source for "most fans." A lot of fans simply like to bitch about everything.
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"The Kings just traded Gabriel Vilardi, Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kupari and a 2024 second-round pick for Darcy f***ing Kuemper"

"And to think it only cost you Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari, and a 2nd rd pick to get him."

"Rob Blake shouldn’t have a job gave up all those assets for what Kemper to come back like selling the house and the cars just to get a bike you had in Highschool"

"Wow wow wow great job there Blake. Nothing like giving away all that talent for this guy and now we get a 34 year-old goaltender on the end of his career what’s next maybe they should just let you go. You’re a horrible GM."

Then Helene chimes in: "
When Blake acquired Dubois from Winnipeg last June, Blake represented Dubois as a key piece in the Kings’ ascent toward Stanley Cup contention, the big, physical center who’d give them strength up the middle and allow them to compete with bigger teams in the West. Dubois—who raised red flags about his commitment when he asked his two previous teams to trade him—was never that player for the Kings, never consistently productive at center or on the wing under Todd McLellan or Jim Hiller, who succeeded McLellan.

Remember, too, that Blake had designated Cal Petersen as the Kings’ goalie of the future and signed him to an extravagant three-year, $15-million contract. His future was limited, and the Kings have since made do with journeyman goalies.

If Blake can make that big a mistake with Dubois and other smaller missteps like Petersen, how much can he be trusted to make the right moves to get the Kings back into Cup contention? Yes, he fixed the Dubois mess but he shouldn’t have made that trade in the first place. That’s a huge failure in judgment."
 
I can make trades.

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Rogie-Vachon said:
"The Kings just traded Gabriel Vilardi, Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kupari and a 2024 second-round pick for Darcy f***ing Kuemper"

"And to think it only cost you Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari, and a 2nd rd pick to get him."

"Rob Blake shouldn’t have a job gave up all those assets for what Kemper to come back like selling the house and the cars just to get a bike you had in Highschool"

"Wow wow wow great job there Blake. Nothing like giving away all that talent for this guy and now we get a 34 year-old goaltender on the end of his career what’s next maybe they should just let you go. You’re a horrible GM."

Then Helene chimes in: "
When Blake acquired Dubois from Winnipeg last June, Blake represented Dubois as a key piece in the Kings’ ascent toward Stanley Cup contention, the big, physical center who’d give them strength up the middle and allow them to compete with bigger teams in the West. Dubois—who raised red flags about his commitment when he asked his two previous teams to trade him—was never that player for the Kings, never consistently productive at center or on the wing under Todd McLellan or Jim Hiller, who succeeded McLellan.

Remember, too, that Blake had designated Cal Petersen as the Kings’ goalie of the future and signed him to an extravagant three-year, $15-million contract. His future was limited, and the Kings have since made do with journeyman goalies.

If Blake can make that big a mistake with Dubois and other smaller missteps like Petersen, how much can he be trusted to make the right moves to get the Kings back into Cup contention? Yes, he fixed the Dubois mess but he shouldn’t have made that trade in the first place. That’s a huge failure in judgment."
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The Kings just finished a season where they got elite goaltending results from two goalies nobody else wanted. I’d say that just about makes up for most of that bad Petersen deal. He also grabbed a kid who could be the next long term #1 for a 3rd round pick in Portillo.

Of all the things to criticize Blake about his goaltending moves are very very low on the list.
 
Statue4Deano said:
Holding onto the 1st this year was huge. I think we’re going to get a hell of prospect at 21.
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That's assuming Blake doesn't trade away that pick for either another supposed core/depth player from another team or a lower-round pick in this year's upcoming entry draft. If he does, then we'll start screaming for his head again. I hope he stays put with it. We know how overly ambitious some GMs can be. Hopefully, Blake doesn't get too ahead of himself this time.
 
Rogie-Vachon said:
"The Kings just traded Gabriel Vilardi, Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kupari and a 2024 second-round pick for Darcy f***ing Kuemper"

"And to think it only cost you Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari, and a 2nd rd pick to get him."

"Rob Blake shouldn’t have a job gave up all those assets for what Kemper to come back like selling the house and the cars just to get a bike you had in Highschool"

"Wow wow wow great job there Blake. Nothing like giving away all that talent for this guy and now we get a 34 year-old goaltender on the end of his career what’s next maybe they should just let you go. You’re a horrible GM."

Then Helene chimes in: "
When Blake acquired Dubois from Winnipeg last June, Blake represented Dubois as a key piece in the Kings’ ascent toward Stanley Cup contention, the big, physical center who’d give them strength up the middle and allow them to compete with bigger teams in the West. Dubois—who raised red flags about his commitment when he asked his two previous teams to trade him—was never that player for the Kings, never consistently productive at center or on the wing under Todd McLellan or Jim Hiller, who succeeded McLellan.

Remember, too, that Blake had designated Cal Petersen as the Kings’ goalie of the future and signed him to an extravagant three-year, $15-million contract. His future was limited, and the Kings have since made do with journeyman goalies.

If Blake can make that big a mistake with Dubois and other smaller missteps like Petersen, how much can he be trusted to make the right moves to get the Kings back into Cup contention? Yes, he fixed the Dubois mess but he shouldn’t have made that trade in the first place. That’s a huge failure in judgment."
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I can't disagree with anything Helene says. Painful, but true.
 
Rogie-Vachon said:
Most fans are bitching about basically trading Villardi, Iafallo, Kupari & Durzi for Darcy....
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But the reality is we traded Vilardi, Iafallo, Kupari, Durzi AND Dubois for Darcy!! That ”AND” part makes a world of difference since it is that part that gets rid of a huge expensive problem…

Yes, we know now (easy in hindsight) that the trade sucked big time from the beginning. But we had to get out of that contract and it basically ”just” costed us Vilardi and his history with injuries to do so. The rest of ones that were traded I can live with and if we’re lucky we got an upgraded goalkeeper!
 
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