Rob Blake Should Win GM Of The Year

Let us make this easy for us to understand.

Rob Blake is not good for us. Think of him like that girlfriend or boyfriend you once had that you kind of liked at one point but had no idea how to get rid of.

You all had that one girlfriend or boyfriend that you kind of were attracted to, and you had no idea why you were with them .

You were getting laid from time to time, had some good times, but you were thinking about ways to leave more than you were to stay.

Then just when you are about to break up with them, they got you something nice and you think, ya know, maybe they are not so bad?

Then two weeks later, you have been eliminated from the playoffs.

He is not good us.
 
All depends on how we do in the playoffs. If we don't make it past round one, he's still out. There is a solid foundation to build upon, but the next GM will need to bring in talent to push us to the next level. We were promised a cup contender as part of the plan. First round exits do not equal a cup contender.
 
Blake has earned an extension whatever happens in these playoffs. The team he put together should get into the 2nd round and more importantly he hasn’t saddled the team with any back breaking long term contracts, yet.
 
Dean Lombardi

2006-2017 = 11 years as GM of the Kings.

6 playoff appearances
10 playoff series wins
2 Western Conference Championships
2 Stanley Cups

Manager of the Year awards?- A big fat donut.

Rob Blake- 2017-present = 8 seasons as GM of the Kings

5 Playoff appearances (including this year)
4 First round exits

Um...do I need to go on?

That said this year's regular season has been his best work to date.

But a little perspective folks.
 
Here is my take on our GM.

It's no secret I am a big Flake hater. Although a lot of years have elapsed, I recall vividly him holding DT hostage in 2001 and wouldn't resign therefore leading to him being dealt to Colorado. Then signing for LESS money in the offseason.

In a game the next season we were losing 4-2 to Colorado at home late in the game. (It was the only game Andy Murray was ever thrown out of so you know the officiating was bad). Leads to a Colorado 2-man advantage. Instead of just passing the puck along the perimeter waiting for the clock to expire, Flake takes this long slap shot by Felix Potvin. Totally unnecessary.

And as everyone has alluded to, the PLD trade (perhaps one of the worst in club history), the Cal Pedersen extension, and how some of the young players have been handled.

All of that, but what really pissed me off is the end of season presser with him and silver hair. Basically insulting the fans and calling us one big happy family and getting together for holidays or whatever ridiculousness he spewed out. We had just been eliminated by our long time hated rivals for the 3rd year in a row. Us fans were pissed. They should have been too. He should have said we are angry and we are doing X, Y, and Z to try and get better. He didn't say any of that. That is what really made me angry and put me over the edge.

In his defense, I thought in the offseason and this year he has been EXCELLENT. The Foegele signing is arguably the best offseason signing by any team. Edmonson as well. The Kuzmenko trade looks genius right now, but let's see how he does in the playoffs and going forward. Getting Kuemper was spectacular also. He righted a lot of his wrongs.

IMO if the Kings beat the Oilers he will be extended. If not, he will be and should be shown the door. 7 years under his watch with no playoff series wins and 11 seasons overall is unacceptable.
If I recall the story about Blake not re-signing with the Kings way back when, I don’t know that it was all that simple. If what I heard is correct Blake was under a lot of pressure from the players union to sign a maximum contract. The Union was attempting to increase salaries by getting the top players to sign for as much as they could get. I want to say Pronger had just signed a big deal around that time. It complicated the negotiation that was not going to be easy to begin with.

I don’t know that my takeaway from the press conference was anything but Blake making it clear he was disappointed, unhappy, and somewhat disgusted with the season. I thought he was careful with his words but he felt the team was not willing to pay the price, needed to more competitive and resilient. He wasn’t wrong.

As for losing to Edmonton three years in a row, the Kings lost to a good team even though I’m nauseous admitting it. Losing to that team is hardly an embarrassment, although I will say the Kings have been less competitive as those three series have evolved, seven game series, six game series, and last year the five game series. That is not looking like progress to be sure.

As for rehashing the Cal & PLD moves, hindsight is harsh. But Cal was positioned to be The Goalie at the time. Had Cal performed as expected that contract would have looked fine. Cal flopped. PLD on paper was a good move. It would have given the Kings center depth that they desperately needed. The strategy was right. The player was wrong. That IS on Blake. There was enough evidence to be concerned about PL being the player we needed. Again, that’s on Blake. But to get out of that without losing cap space or a top prospect AND getting Keumper is almost too much to ask for.

The handling of young players is a valid point. But without looking at all the recent picks, I don’t know that we can be too critical about how Byfield, Turcotte and Clarke have been handled. Both QB and Turc were delayed by injury and illness. Clarke I think was managed well. He wasn’t ready. I wasn’t sure he was ready this year. But Blake /Hiller went with him and he has surpassed my expectations, especially on the defensive side.

I get frustrated with our young players access to the NHL level. We see other teams quickly promote high picks, but the Kings don’t. The Kings picks often don’t pan out and the players languish until they have no value. But I don’t know if it’s bad drafting/scouting, bad development, or players just not meeting their projected value. I also don’t know that it’s unique to the Kings.

As for Blake, some fans have residual resentment over Blake leaving the Kings. I wasn’t immune to it, and couldn’t stand him when he was with Colorado or SJ. Made me sick. But it’s water under the bridge by now, speaking only for myself.

I have always felt he has done enough to keep his job. I don’t think he’s been a bad GM. None of them bat .1000. But my main concern has also been: who is brought in, and what will they do? The nameless replacement isn’t enough to toss Blake aside.

I do believe we need to see how the playoffs go before deciding on Blake. This season has been a very big improvement. Good moves have been made. The criticisms Blake noted at the press conference were addressed. But at some point it’s still a results-oriented job. We need to see some positive results.
 
GMs don’t lose their jobs after making the playoffs four years in a row, unless it’s Toronto.

Blake hasn’t made a lot of bad trades. The PLD trade is one of the worst in franchise history, but it’s arguably the only bad trade he’s made.

Cal was a bad signing, but I didn’t see him falling off a cliff and destabilizing the most important position for years. Did you? At least it was only three years and not five like Campbell got.

All this said, Blake made two major blunders but his recoveries were A and A+. Thought experiment ONLY: if the Kings win the Cup with Darcy as the number one, is the trade for PLD still among the worst in history, or just part of a trade tree?

This year feels like Blake is the Prodigal Son. He wanted to distance himself from Dean’s vision and implant his own speed and skill “plan,” but it was never cohesive. He downplayed size for years. He still filled the team with defensive players, 200 ft players, and even “character guys,” but still kept a toe dipped in this idea of being something else. It was so disjointed Todd just ran a choking system to optimize success and shield b or c tier goalies.

The moves he made this year signaled a re-dedication to a successful Kings culture and play style. He made the right call in Hiller who probably doesn’t get talked about enough. The more pure skill players have been absorbed into this system. Kuzmenko entered a well-oiled machine.

My biggest Blake criticism is that he held on to too many prospects for too long. Problem with waiting to see what you have is everyone else sees what you have also, and then it’s too late.

So, not GM of the year. Hiller is among the coaches of the year. Blake learned some valuable lessons and I believe he can now keep it up.
The PLD trade is looking better and better as time goes by. Vilardi in the press box (as usual) is of no value. Iafallo is good but an overpaid 4th liner and decent 3rd liner. Kupari, like Gabe, is always in the press box with the same amount of production as he has on the ice--nil. It should be obvious by now the problem wasn't the trade but Todd not figuring out how to use PLD.
 
Let us make this easy for us to understand.

Rob Blake is not good for us. Think of him like that girlfriend or boyfriend you once had that you kind of liked at one point but had no idea how to get rid of.

You all had that one girlfriend or boyfriend that you kind of were attracted to, and you had no idea why you were with them .

You were getting laid from time to time, had some good times, but you were thinking about ways to leave more than you were to stay.

Then just when you are about to break up with them, they got you something nice and you think, ya know, maybe they are not so bad?

Then two weeks later, you have been eliminated from the playoffs.

He is not good us.

The upper management is not good for the Kings.

I believe Rob is, under the circumstances of upper management, not a bad choice for the fans. For all of his f***-ups (of which there aren't that many TBH, but the PLD is a big one), he's doing pretty damn well. There are so many teams that are - compared to the Kings - total s***shows, and suck bad even after years and years of picking high.

Rebuilding and picking high means squat if you can't build a winner then. Dean managed to do it, 95% of GMs can't, and those 5% that can are usually very lucky (being very bad at the right time, winning the lotteries and picking MFA, Malkin, Crosby and Staal (along with a 3rd rounder Letang to boot) in 4 years.

McJesus hasn't won a Cup and he might never do it with the Oil...even with having the second most talented offensive player of the last 7 years in Drai. Imagine that.
 
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The upper management is not good for the Kings.

I believe Rob is, under the circumstances of upper management, not a bad choice for the fans. For all of his f***-ups (of which there aren't that many TBH, but the PLD is a big one), he's doing pretty damn well. There are so many teams that are - compared to the Kings - total s***shows, and suck bad even after years and years of picking high.

Rebuilding and picking high means squat if you can't build a winner then. Dean managed to do it, 95% of GMs can't, and those 5% that can are usually very lucky (being very bad at the right time, winning the lotteries and picking MFA, Malkin, Crosby and Staal (along with a 3rd rounder Letang to boot) in 4 years.

McJesus hasn't won a Cup and he might never do it with the Oil...even with having the second most talented offensive player of the last 7 years in Drai. Imagine that.
One aspect that has not come up in this discussion about Blake is whether he wants to stay in this job?
We all have the assumption that he is the GM until he is told to leave. But is that actually the case? I have no idea.

When you look at the organization I have to wonder what is in the horizon. Anschutz is 85. How long is he going to stay as owner? Is there a succession plan? Does he sell?
I have no worldly idea on any of this. But does that factor into how the front office employees feel about their positions?

I am sure guys like Beckerman, Blake and Luc wonder about it. I am pretty sure they have far more insight than any of us could have. What are they aware of? What are they hearing? What are they feeling about the future of the organization beyond Anschutz?

I think this is not strictly about Blake or even Luc. I think it’s also about what this organization looks like in the next five years?

I am aware that Anschutz has kids. Are they part of a succession plan ? Are they currently involved? Is the plan to retain family ownership or find a buyer?

I think this is far more about the near future than just whether the GM stays or goes. This could be a big organizational change, and who knows what that looks like

Just something that we all have not thought much about, me included. But something we should probably consider.
 
Wanted to just add the notion that some have heard that Blake has been considering walking away at the end of season regardless of results. I would think post season success would be and encouragement to continue but if not I wonder if that means Luc will remain? ugh.
Just can't agree regarding the PLD trade as Villardi had a good year leading the best record team in PP goals. That's a significant accomplishment for always sitting in the press box. Plays on 1st line and 1st PP.
Iafallo just resigned for 3 years so they must like him.
I don't think anyone is more frustrated than Villardi and Kupari having to deal with injuries.
 
Wanted to just add the notion that some have heard that Blake has been considering walking away at the end of season regardless of results. I would think post season success would be and encouragement to continue but if not I wonder if that means Luc will remain? ugh.
Just can't agree regarding the PLD trade as Villardi had a good year leading the best record team in PP goals. That's a significant accomplishment for always sitting in the press box. Plays on 1st line and 1st PP.
Iafallo just resigned for 3 years so they must like him.
I don't think anyone is more frustrated than Villardi and Kupari having to deal with injuries.
One of the concerns with Gabe was not only his injury issues but the potential of him staying with the Kings beyond his RFA contracts. He clearly has talent, no question at all. But I think that uncertainty had to have been a factor. And while he has been able to stay reasonably healthy for a couple years you just never know.

Re Iafallo, I also think he was destined to walk at some point. He was making a bit over $4M in his contract (a bit less with the new one) and I think the org must have been afraid that he would want more in the next one. Turns out he was willing to sign for less but that’s an unpredictable situation. He was similar to Matt Roy, where his value and new contract were not aligned.
I think we all liked Iafallo. But is there a current top nine guy you would remove to have AI? And no team is paying him his kind of money to play fourth line minutes.

I have not heard about the reports of Blake possibly voluntarily leaving. I wonder if he’s had enough of the org, had enough of hockey, wants to enjoy life without it? It is interesting.

I don’t know if that means Luc would also depart. Certainly possible. But I honestly don’t think Luc is there for the hockey stuff. He is a popular guy in important circles, is willing to spend lots of time with power centers in the city and the NHL. I think lots of people overestimate his influence with regard to the on-ice stuff.
 
One of the concerns with Gabe was not only his injury issues but the potential of him staying with the Kings beyond his RFA contracts. He clearly has talent, no question at all. But I think that uncertainty had to have been a factor. And while he has been able to stay reasonably healthy for a couple years you just never know.

Re Iafallo, I also think he was destined to walk at some point. He was making a bit over $4M in his contract (a bit less with the new one) and I think the org must have been afraid that he would want more in the next one. Turns out he was willing to sign for less but that’s an unpredictable situation. He was similar to Matt Roy, where his value and new contract were not aligned.
I think we all liked Iafallo. But is there a current top nine guy you would remove to have AI? And no team is paying him his kind of money to play fourth line minutes.

I have not heard about the reports of Blake possibly voluntarily leaving. I wonder if he’s had enough of the org, had enough of hockey, wants to enjoy life without it? It is interesting.

I don’t know if that means Luc would also depart. Certainly possible. But I honestly don’t think Luc is there for the hockey stuff. He is a popular guy in important circles, is willing to spend lots of time with power centers in the city and the NHL. I think lots of people overestimate his influence with regard to the on-ice stuff.
Exactly, his production on the President's Cup team is poor for a middle six 4M winger.
 
One aspect that has not come up in this discussion about Blake is whether he wants to stay in this job?
We all have the assumption that he is the GM until he is told to leave. But is that actually the case? I have no idea.

When you look at the organization I have to wonder what is in the horizon. Anschutz is 85. How long is he going to stay as owner? Is there a succession plan? Does he sell?
I have no worldly idea on any of this. But does that factor into how the front office employees feel about their positions?

I am sure guys like Beckerman, Blake and Luc wonder about it. I am pretty sure they have far more insight than any of us could have. What are they aware of? What are they hearing? What are they feeling about the future of the organization beyond Anschutz?

I think this is not strictly about Blake or even Luc. I think it’s also about what this organization looks like in the next five years?

I am aware that Anschutz has kids. Are they part of a succession plan ? Are they currently involved? Is the plan to retain family ownership or find a buyer?

I think this is far more about the near future than just whether the GM stays or goes. This could be a big organizational change, and who knows what that looks like

Just something that we all have not thought much about, me included. But something we should probably consider.

You're making valid points.

Maybe this organization's insistence on going back into playoffs ASAP and thus not doing a proper rebuild also has something to do with this, since a team like LA Kings, who are not really in a hockey market as such, is worth a lot more if they're competitive.
 
The PLD trade is looking better and better as time goes by. Vilardi in the press box (as usual) is of no value. Iafallo is good but an overpaid 4th liner and decent 3rd liner. Kupari, like Gabe, is always in the press box with the same amount of production as he has on the ice--nil. It should be obvious by now the problem wasn't the trade but Todd not figuring out how to use PLD.
In theory, it was a good trade. Because it didn’t work out as intended, I’d still call it a bad trade. Kings still need solve their 2nd line center conundrum. Very soon.

However, what does become more clear as time goes on is that losing Gabe as a player is less of a concern than wasting the asset. He still hasn’t played a full season. He’s reportedly close, but still missed game 1. Should Jets advance, how will he handle the playoff rigors?

the rising cap and his ppg production angle him for a big raise. I’d be very nervous about what that looks like if he were still here. Also the room chemistry is the best it’s been since the Cup years. The players are very clear that this this room is different this year. Maybe he’d be a part of that, but maybe not. There’s enough evidence from his time here to speculate they may not miss him on a personal level.
 
To me it's simple.

Would you have traded Vilardi, Iafallo and Kupari for a Vezina caliber goalie?

Granted there was a bit of luck involved and a lost season in there but that's essentially what happened.

Let's hope it translates into playoff success.
 
To me it's simple.

Would you have traded Vilardi, Iafallo and Kupari for a Vezina caliber goalie?

Granted there was a bit of luck involved and a lost season in there but that's essentially what happened.

Let's hope it translates into playoff success.
Depends a bit on how Alfons Freij turns out, but I'd say however you currently slice it - it's currently not a good trade.

By comparison, Linus Ullmark was traded to the Ottawa Senators for Joonas Korpisalo, Mark Kastelic and a first-round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft.

Ullmark is younger, and I would say the overall better goalie.
 
Depends a bit on how Alfons Freij turns out, but I'd say however you currently slice it - it's currently not a good trade.

By comparison, Linus Ullmark was traded to the Ottawa Senators for Joonas Korpisalo, Mark Kastelic and a first-round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft.

Ullmark is younger, and I would say the overall better goalie.
Like I said...Blake was extremely fortunate that things turned out they way they did...but essentially...on paper and given Kuemper's performance this year I was simply putting it into perspective. It takes a little of the sting out of the PDL mess and also addresses what many have said on here about what we were really giving up with Vilardi in particular. (i.e. Press Box Gabe)

Let's hope Darcy has more success tonight than the younger...better Linus did in game 1.
 
Depends a bit on how Alfons Freij turns out, but I'd say however you currently slice it - it's currently not a good trade.

By comparison, Linus Ullmark was traded to the Ottawa Senators for Joonas Korpisalo, Mark Kastelic and a first-round pick in the 2024 NHL Draft.

Ullmark is younger, and I would say the overall better goalie.
He is younger.
 
To me it's simple.

Would you have traded Vilardi, Iafallo and Kupari for a Vezina caliber goalie?

Granted there was a bit of luck involved and a lost season in there but that's essentially what happened.

Let's hope it translates into playoff success.
You didn't mention one of the most damnable aspects of the trade and that is the second round pick also was included. Is this still true.
One of the concerns with Gabe was not only his injury issues but the potential of him staying with the Kings beyond his RFA contracts. He clearly has talent, no question at all. But I think that uncertainty had to have been a factor. And while he has been able to stay reasonably healthy for a couple years you just never know.

Re Iafallo, I also think he was destined to walk at some point. He was making a bit over $4M in his contract (a bit less with the new one) and I think the org must have been afraid that he would want more in the next one. Turns out he was willing to sign for less but that’s an unpredictable situation. He was similar to Matt Roy, where his value and new contract were not aligned.
I think we all liked Iafallo. But is there a current top nine guy you would remove to have AI? And no team is paying him his kind of money to play fourth line minutes.

I have not heard about the reports of Blake possibly voluntarily leaving. I wonder if he’s had enough of the org, had enough of hockey, wants to enjoy life without it? It is interesting.

I don’t know if that means Luc would also depart. Certainly possible. But I honestly don’t think Luc is there for the hockey stuff. He is a popular guy in important circles, is willing to spend lots of time with power centers in the city and the NHL. I think lots of people overestimate his influence with regard to the on-ice stuff.
Thanks for your reply. You make some good points.

Didn't know that about Luc but you have certainly read other comments here regarding his influence on the team, mostly negative. Your new info is interesting but is that what someone in his position should be focused on? I am honestly asking as I don't know how much responsibility someone in the position should have and if he is concentrating on optics or PR is he dropping the ball in other important areas?

Have to chuckle as I am watching the Jets and the announcers are praising Iafallo as the "Swiss Army Knife" of the Jets after he made a couple of good plays on the PK.

I have been rooting for Villardi since day 1 and I feel with my very limited perspective that the Kings didn't make him feel wanted. Maybe he has thin skin, or needs extra encouragement. I do remember his saying; "I hope they want me, they drafted me after all". I also enjoy his passing very much and feel he is already one of the best passers in the NHl.

Let me say in the end however that you have made really good points that I appreciate you sharing and they are all good and worthy of consideration.
 
To me it's simple.

Would you have traded Vilardi, Iafallo and Kupari for a Vezina caliber goalie?

Granted there was a bit of luck involved and a lost season in there but that's essentially what happened.

Let's hope it translates into playoff success.
you forgot one of the most damnable aspects of the trade and that is that 2nd round pick.
 
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