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So so sad there's only one more episode of Westworld until 2018 :cbgb:

Multiple timelines everyone is a host and shocking, Hopkins is great at being a villain.
 
Great, great episode. Just amazing acting all around. Hopefully not the end of some characters/actors ...
 
Wow. Amazing how everything goes full circle. Of course, I miss the big stuff as usual. I didn't catch on that the photo of Logan's sister is the photo which Dolores's "father" found - confirming the different timelines.
 
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Dolores being mechanical inside signaled it was an earlier time-period too.

I don't understand how Bernard could be made in Arnold's image and yet no one knew Bernard was a host. Does that mean that everyone there is a host?
 
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Ford is somewhat older when he brings him online for the first time... so I would guess there must have been a passage of time after 'the incident'.
 
HeadInjury said:
Dolores being mechanical inside signaled it was an earlier time-period too.

I don't understand how Bernard could be made in Arnold's image and yet no one knew Bernard was a host. Does that mean that everyone there is a host?
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I think that is a very distinct possibility. What's more, I am wondering if everyone everywhere is a host, at least in the latter timeline. Ford's mention of humans eating the Neanderthals and androids not trying to emulate humans is maybe foreshadowing the BIG reveal (end of show, not end of season) - there aren't any humans left and they've been supplanted by androids as the new, superior race. Humans are the Neanderthals in that scenario. The guests and employees are androids too, just more advanced androids and they don't know it, just like Bernard didn't. Was Arnold the last human and did Ford finish him off?
 
Here's one reviewer's support for the everyone is a host theory:

"Throughout this season of Westworld, the idea that various characters are actually hosts has thrown around fairly often. Some, like Bernard, have been confirmed to be hosts, while others like the Man in Black, still (for now) seem to be humans from the outside.

But my theory is that in the final episode, we'll find out a whole lot more of the characters have been hosts all along: specifically, everyone on the show except Ford. And I mean everyone. Delos and the board meddling in the park? Hosts. William and Logan? Hosts. The random guests we've seen on vacation? Hosts. The entire plot of the show isn’t a natural course of events, it’s just Ford’s latest attempt to entertain himself with his personal playground. The “guests” aren’t in the park — it’s us, watching it on our screens, as the only real people in the story. Things like the timeline theory or the maze become non-issues at this point, just different pieces of Ford watching the same scenarios play out different ways, like a video game programmer who keeps playing the same level over and over again, hoping to find something new to do.

Ford is the creator of the entire park: a sad, lonely man who lives inside a drama he built. He's a story-obsessed storyteller who's built the perfect play, with a cast that has just enough independence to keep him interested in the personal narrative he's built. He's a god who's created the world's biggest ant farm for him to bully, or a child just banging action figures together to entertain himself. To paraphrase Shakespeare, for Ford, all of Westworld's a stage, and all the men and women merely players."

Other theories here: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/28/13767346/predicting-westworld-finale-theories-hbo
 
HeadInjury said:
Here's one reviewer's support for the everyone is a host theory:

"Throughout this season of Westworld, the idea that various characters are actually hosts has thrown around fairly often. Some, like Bernard, have been confirmed to be hosts, while others like the Man in Black, still (for now) seem to be humans from the outside.

But my theory is that in the final episode, we'll find out a whole lot more of the characters have been hosts all along: specifically, everyone on the show except Ford. And I mean everyone. Delos and the board meddling in the park? Hosts. William and Logan? Hosts. The random guests we've seen on vacation? Hosts. The entire plot of the show isn’t a natural course of events, it’s just Ford’s latest attempt to entertain himself with his personal playground. The “guests” aren’t in the park — it’s us, watching it on our screens, as the only real people in the story. Things like the timeline theory or the maze become non-issues at this point, just different pieces of Ford watching the same scenarios play out different ways, like a video game programmer who keeps playing the same level over and over again, hoping to find something new to do.

Ford is the creator of the entire park: a sad, lonely man who lives inside a drama he built. He's a story-obsessed storyteller who's built the perfect play, with a cast that has just enough independence to keep him interested in the personal narrative he's built. He's a god who's created the world's biggest ant farm for him to bully, or a child just banging action figures together to entertain himself. To paraphrase Shakespeare, for Ford, all of Westworld's a stage, and all the men and women merely players."

Other theories here: http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/28/13767346/predicting-westworld-finale-theories-hbo
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That's too big. If that is the reveal at the end of season 1, how can they continue? I really think things are going to be uprooted and Sir Anthony is gonna buy the farm in next weeks episode.
 
I like that basically even if actors potentially leave the series, no matter what they can continue the character in another body. Unless they AREN'T all hosts. Which they ARE!
 
jerseydevil said:
That's too big. If that is the reveal at the end of season 1, how can they continue? I really think things are going to be uprooted and Sir Anthony is gonna buy the farm in next weeks episode.
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I read a story over the weekend that had a quote from James Marsden that he basically said the finale is going to answer all questions save a couple but that the finale is going to go in a completely different direction and by the end of the episode people will be saying "I hadn't thought of that." I am interested to see what this is all about. I don't buy the "everyone is a host" stuff either but won't be surprised if a big majority are (i.e. the staff working at Westworld).

I, too, think Sir Anthony is going to be a victim of the impending host mayhem ...
 
roenick said:
I read a story over the weekend that had a quote from James Marsden that he basically said the finale is going to answer all questions save a couple but that the finale is going to go in a completely different direction and by the end of the episode people will be saying "I hadn't thought of that." I am interested to see what this is all about. I don't buy the "everyone is a host" stuff either but won't be surprised if a big majority are (i.e. the staff working at Westworld).

I, too, think Sir Anthony is going to be a victim of the impending host mayhem ...
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But then, that host he was creating in the basement emerges as HOST FORD!!! DUN DUN DUNNNN
 
As to my theories:

Elsie and Ashley are both alive (which doesn't mean they're not hosts). Elsie realized Bernard was a host during the assault (she's whip smart) and was able to freeze him, escaping death. She knows it was Ford trying to kill her. So now she recruits Ashley to help her get even/bring Ford to justice. Told that Bernard's a host, Ashley recalls his strange interaction with Bernard where Bernard genuinely seems to dismiss the effect of Theresa's death on him. They team up together to confront Ford. Where that goes, I have no idea.

The two main timelines will not turn out exactly how we now perceived them. Can't quite explain how.

Has Dolores ever been given a last name? If not, I think her last name is Wyatt. In the scene where Teddy is killing everyone, first soldiers in version one, then townspeople in version two, it's Arnold's hand playing the music box. But that's not what actually happened. That's Teddy's recently made up backstory to make him more interesting. Dolores actually killed everyone at Escalante. Dolores was Arnold's favorite and he gave her too much power (conscience). Thereafter, she killed Arnold too. He made her too human, so she acted like a human. She then killed herself, explaining all the scenes where's she's placing the gun to her head. Being one of the original hosts and Arnold's favorite, Ford resurrected her in a new version. She was a mechanical host originally. Now she's one of the modern ones. She'll see her original self at some point in the episode.

William is the Man in Black and he's dead by the end of the show. Dolores kills him. Or perhaps they realize after each killing hundreds of people in this crazy place, they were meant for each other. Actually, Dolores was made for him. They then fall in love and Dolores finds the peace she was always searching for. Nah, she kills him. Revenge against all the guests that mistreated her over the years.

Maeve's plot ultimately fails. She's destined to remain trapped in the park. Perhaps the biggest tragedy of them all.

Not sure what happens to William and Logan, but William has to survive. Unless the Man in Black is a host.

I think Ford survives but there could be multiple twists. The Ford in the park may not even be the real Ford. He's smarter than everyone and maybe realized he wouldn't survive if he stayed there forever and is already out. Maybe the host he was making in the basement was himself?
 
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Sooooooo that host Ford was building......that had to be a host version of himself, so Dolores killed replica Ford not real Ford, right?

Oh man. This show is sooooooooo good. I can't believe we have to wait until 2018 for the next season.
 
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