All Things HORROR

You guys are all making great points. Yes Mondo...that's an awesome observation. This was a horror movie for geeks made by geeks.

It's hard to classify this because it is not as easily filed away as most. I think peoples inability to label it definitely verifies that it was a very 'off-the-beaten-path' kind of flick. I saw this the same day as DETENTION, which is also a head-scratcher. I strongly recommend you guys see that too. It's a lot more abstract and very open to interpretation so I look very much forward to your opinions of it. It's good to see that some folks are still pushing the boundaries of genre films even if the results are mixed.

I ordered the novelization of cabin...which is based on the original screenplay. According to the amazon reviews some of the more FAQ's are addressed in the book. So some of the clarity may have been sacrificed in the editing room. I will tell you what i find out.
 
jerseydevil said:
You guys are all making great points. Yes Mondo...that's an awesome observation. This was a horror movie for geeks made by geeks.

It's hard to classify this because it is not as easily filed away as most. I think peoples inability to label it definitely verifies that it was a very 'off-the-beaten-path' kind of flick. I saw this the same day as DETENTION, which is also a head-scratcher. I strongly recommend you guys see that too. It's a lot more abstract and very open to interpretation so I look very much forward to your opinions of it. It's good to see that some folks are still pushing the boundaries of genre films even if the results are mixed.

I ordered the novelization of cabin...which is based on the original screenplay. According to the amazon reviews some of the more FAQ's are addressed in the book. So some of the clarity may have been sacrificed in the editing room. I will tell you what i find out.
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Yeah, my concerns could probably be swept aside with two or three short scenes to detail the what's and why's - for all I know they could have been cut. I pm'd those questions instead of doing the whole spoiler bit, so if you get those answers please let me know!
 
Psh... I wanna know!

Anyway...

The difference, for me, between this and Scream is mystery.

While the entire explanation of Cabin isn't given until the end... the audience is aware of more than the "victims". Whereas in Scream the audience is kept in the dark until the final reveal.

Scream was a horror movie that featured main characters that parodied horror through dialog. Cabin in the Woods is a satire/parody/homage of horror movies.

I realize it's a subtle difference and arguing over where it belongs in the iTunes store (cus video stores are almost extinct) is silly.
 
No...it's a great argument Doc. This movie is all about subtle differences. I disagree with your points about the reveal. I think the reveal just keeps coming, keeps twisting...and when the weird cameo occurs it's almost a wink/wink but yet another maguffin. I honestly think the best thing about Cabin is that it serpentines and tries, in a spoiler age where you get force fed everything, to constantly not be what you expect it to be. Your disappointment and 'you can't always get what you want' comment lends credence to that. Am I too drunk to make any sense(GO DEVILS) or is that valid?
 
No I get what you're saying... but I'll disagree (cus why not) and say that while you may not know EXACTLY what's going on in Cabin... you know enough.

In Scream.... you had no idea. The extra layer in Cabin is what makes it not "primarily" horror in my book. That and the fact that I laughed way more than I felt "fear tension". And I don't say that derisively. I think they did an excellent job with the parts that were meant to be "horror" moments... I just think they hit more comedic notes. Maybe it's because that's my orientation and you and Mondo have ****ty humor taste (see : MacGruber ) but love horror.
HAH!
 
Dr. Naysay said:
No I get what you're saying... but I'll disagree (cus why not) and say that while you may not know EXACTLY what's going on in Cabin... you know enough.

In Scream.... you had no idea. The extra layer in Cabin is what makes it not "primarily" horror in my book. That and the fact that I laughed way more than I felt "fear tension". And I don't say that derisively. I think they did an excellent job with the parts that were meant to be "horror" moments... I just think they hit more comedic notes. Maybe it's because that's my orientation and you and Mondo have ****ty humor taste (see : MacGruber ) but love horror.
HAH!
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Well...my personal opinion is that you are judging the movie as a comedy based solely on the Bradley Whitford(who you have been none too shy in professing man-love for) and Richard Jenkins portion of the movie. If that is the part of the movie that you find most lovable(and I cannot argue) it's easy to understand your viewpoint. But, since there are SO many pov's in this movie(which makes it so great) there are all kinds of arguments to be made. As a horror movie fan I identified with the archetypes, so i probably looked at the movie from a different space than you did. See, this is where Mondo's point about a geek flick made by geeks weighs in. That's why it's so clever/meta...depending on where you find yourself on the geek scale this movie is almost like one of those 'write your own adventure' kind of books from our childhood. It's a lot more subtle than most people are giving it credit for, at least i.m.o.
 
Sure...

but even if you want to take the point of view of the "Cabineers" as "main protagonists".... even THAT was 50/50 laugh to horror.

So... I dunno I just see this as a 65/35 comedy/horror split.

Now.... almost all of the laughs are completely dependent on existence of real horror elements that actually matter and carry weight... but still. Comedy.
This is the most fun pointless argument/conversation/whatever.
 
Dr. Naysay said:
Sure...

but even if you want to take the point of view of the "Cabineers" as "main protagonists".... even THAT was 50/50 laugh to horror.

So... I dunno I just see this as a 65/35 comedy/horror split.

Now.... almost all of the laughs are completely dependent on existence of real horror elements that actually matter and carry weight... but still. Comedy.
This is the most fun pointless argument/conversation/whatever.
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Probably...but the most important thing the confusion generates is validation. I can be swayed by your argument...that's why I love this movie. We have all had a tremendous discussion whilst tapdancing around spoilers. Any movie that generates this kind of fanboy fervor is a win as far as i am concerned. The latest SAW flick, people love it or hate it...Paranormal Activity 15...the same. This movie has us all scratching our heads and arguing semantics. In my eyes that qualifies as a win.
 
The fact that this movie and Trick Or Treat sat on a shelf for two years should lead to people being fired.
 
Dr. Naysay said:
The fact that this movie and Trick Or Treat sat on a shelf for two years should lead to people being fired.
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...well, to be honest, I think that the mystery may have helped this one. But yeah, it's shameful. And the T'rT' fiasco is just maddening. The fact that it's compounded by Dougherty has expressed that T'r'T was meant as a yearly seasonal GIFT and yet NOTHING has happened to advance that...is sickening. Yet we will get another Paranormal, and I am sure we are only slightly removed from a new SAW cycle, every October. With a Final Destination(lowest common denominator) thrown in to please the masses. That's why we have to celebrate the rare diamond that survives the ****.
 
The Legendary Dick Smith Makes Surprise Appearance at Monsterpalooza | Horror Movie, DVD, & Book Reviews, News, Interviews at Dread Central

We're sure by now you've heard of the wondrous show known as Monsterpalooza. Simply put, it's pure magic. This gathering has the uncanny power to turn any fan, regardless of how jaded he or she may be, into an instant child experiencing the glory of monsters for the first time.

To say it's an experience is an understatement. So powerful is the show that even Hollywood legends show up just to wander around and have a great time. Case in point: genre royalty and Oscar winner Dick Smith. Smith rarely, if ever, makes appearances like this, but he, too, cannot resist the allure and fun of Monsterpalooza. Luckily there was a camera on hand at the last show to capture part of the man's surprise visit. It's just heartwarming stuff.

Mad genius and showrunner Eliot Brodsky has decided to treat fans to even more mayhem with (what else?) Son of Monsterpalooza! The event takes place on October 26th-28th at the Burbank Marriott Hotel and Convention Center. Do yourselves a favor...

START PLANNING EARLY! You don't wanna miss this!
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[OMFG, WTF, SAY WHAT?] ‘EVIL DEAD 4′ In The Works — Sam Raimi Suing To Stop It?!?! | | Bloody DisgustingBloody Disgusting

I literally just had my mind blown, courtesy of this article at THR, and it more than warrants my ridiculously obnoxious headline. According to the website, a fight has broken out over who has rights to do a new sequel of the 1981 horror classic, The Evil Dead.

Apparently, Award Pictures says it plans to make a fourth film in the series. Yes, the long-promised Evil Dead 4. Renaissance Pictures, formed in 1979 by producer/director Sam Raimi, producer Robert Tapert, and actor/producer Bruce Campbell for the purpose of making the first film, is suing Award Pictures for the sequel rights, which is interesting considering they’ve abandoned any talk of Evil Dead 4 and started production on the remake, Evil Dead, April 11 with FilmDistrict and Raimi’s Ghost House Pictures.

Anyways, the interesting bit that comes out of the article is that this potential coming film is allegedly interfering with Raimi’s own plan to make his own sequel for Sony Pictures and FilmDistrict. But Award Pictures isn’t laying down. The company is using Raimi’s own comment in a 2000 book that he would never do a sequel as proof that the Evil Dead trademark was abandoned. The company now says it is the primary trademark holder of the film title.

Skipping ahead a bit, Renaissance says Award Pictures’ planned film entitled Evil Dead 4: Consequences, is intended to cause confusion to consumers, and also says that the key plot elements and character names “would inevitably infringe Renaissance’s copyright rights in The Evil Dead.” Alleging trademark infringement, false advertising, injury to business reputation, Renaissance is asking for an injunction against further infringement and further monetary damages.

You can read the lengthy article by clicking here, but let’s all have a little chat about this right here, right now. While it’s sweet to hear that Award Pictures would be moving on the inevitable Evil Dead 4, there’d be zero input by Raimi and Co. Therefore, it would probably be some bull***** direct-to-VOD sequel that 100% wouldn’t star Bruce Campbell. Do we even want that? I’d rather sit and hope that Raimi comes around and one day delivers on his promise than have some company half-ass a bull***** sequel in the vein of Asylum garbage. Good luck Raimi!
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So...what does this mean? It seems to me that Raimi wants to hold this card to play at some point. But it's too early to get excited about it.
 
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