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I am of the opinion that Blake is now trying to build the 10th-12th best team. Make the playoffs regularly and get bounced in the first round regularly. All this talk of 1C never becoming available and Blake getting one makes me laugh. PLD is not a 1C.

I am absolutely floored that we've pushed in so many chips during the past 12 months and are not an actual Cup contender. It would be one thing if we were Tampa or Colorado trying to patch things together to hold together a proven winner but this is a team coming off back-to-back first round exits.

The Kings biggest strength last season WAS a top-9 that nobody could match. The weaknesses were goaltending and the 3rd pair D was just dreadful. Now we have arguably the best 3 centers in the league but with exorbitant salaries which means getting rid of the depth. And we still have a gigantic hole in net. I guess the plan is to just mess around in 23-24 and try to win in 24-25 with a capped roster, no draft picks, and a gutted draft pool.
What was the cost for Vegas to acquire their cup winning goalie? And where was he on their depth chart in the final week of the regular season.

The Kings got below average goaltending last season and they had one of their most successful seasons in franchise history. Simply put Dubios is a better player than Vilardi today. Spence and Clarke are equal (most likely better than) to Sean Durzi. Copley will start the season on the NHL roster.

Next year’s team will be better than this seasons team.
 
I am of the opinion that Blake is now trying to build the 10th-12th best team. Make the playoffs regularly and get bounced in the first round regularly. All this talk of 1C never becoming available and Blake getting one makes me laugh. PLD is not a 1C.

I am absolutely floored that we've pushed in so many chips during the past 12 months and are not an actual Cup contender. It would be one thing if we were Tampa or Colorado trying to patch things together to hold together a proven winner but this is a team coming off back-to-back first round exits.

The Kings biggest strength last season WAS a top-9 that nobody could match. The weaknesses were goaltending and the 3rd pair D was just dreadful. Now we have arguably the best 3 centers in the league but with exorbitant salaries which means getting rid of the depth. And we still have a gigantic hole in net. I guess the plan is to just mess around in 23-24 and try to win in 24-25 with a capped roster, no draft picks, and a gutted draft pool.
Maybe we can wait to see what happens the rest of the off-season to judge.
 
This is an oversimplification but this move for PLD is about selling tickets. Nothing more. 6'4 center that does the damn thing and brings the drama, *eye brow raise* the literal opposite of Kopitar?! Blake is trying to get people (Kings fans) who post-pandemic, post cup win, post back-door rebuild, post caring about the trivial (e.g.: sports in LA) a reason to stop by the Ponzi scheme area. And, as that specific demographic...he may have got me.

Bastard.

(thank you for your time and will go back to posting gifs for laughs).

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This is an oversimplification but this move for PLD is about selling tickets. Nothing more. 6'4 center that does the damn thing and brings the drama, *eye brow raise* the literal opposite of Kopitar?! Blake is trying to get people (Kings fans) who post-pandemic, post cup win, post back-door rebuild, post caring about the trivial (e.g.: sports in LA) a reason to stop by the Ponzi scheme area. And, as that specific demographic...he may have got me.

Bastard.

(thank you for your time and will go back to posting gifs for laughs).

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Nobody is buying tickets *just* to see PLD. Are you being satirical? Kings average about 90% capacity for home games which hovers around the league average. You'll never see Toronto / MTL / Edmonton like numbers in LA. PLD doesn't move the attendance needle one iota.
 
Nobody is buying tickets *just* to see PLD. Are you being satirical? Kings average about 90% capacity for home games which hovers around the league average. You'll never see Toronto / MTL / Edmonton like numbers in LA. PLD doesn't move the attendance needle one iota.
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I'm not sure who the "he" is you're talking about that's getting $10 million.
The rumor is, for his next contract he is going to want Vasilevskky and Bobrovsky money, 9.5 and 10 million respectively. So, if the Kings got him for next year they could have made the 6m work. However, the following year the expecation is that he will want to be paid like the other top tier goalies and get 10mil +/-. That is the "he" I was talking about.
 
The rumor is, for his next contract he is going to want Vasilevskky and Bobrovsky money, 9.5 and 10 million respectively. So, if the Kings got him for next year they could have made the 6m work. However, the following year the expecation is that he will want to be paid like the other top tier goalies and get 10mil +/-. That is the "he" I was talking about.
I would say that with few exceptions I don't think any goalie should make $10 million. But if he played for us the way he's played the past few years he'd be worth it. Especially if he got us past Edmonton in the playoffs. And we have to assume that the salary cap will go up by a lot next year & this is the final year of Kopitar making $10 million. But besides Hellebuyck another goalie we could've gotten was Saros. He's signed for 2 years at $5 million.

Anyway the decision was made. And unless he gives me a reason not to, I'm going to cheer for PLD.
 
When a new young core has taken a leadership role.

He never rebuilt this team. He just amassed a couple high picks while wading through miserable seasons.

Instead, he's been trying to chase the cup for and with the old core he already inherited. And we've watched the core disappear one-by-one while Blake scrambles to give them cup opportunities. When they're all gone, then what? You just hope the 25 year-olds just replace them?

And which of the new young core would take a leadership role...and when?

Quick rebuild/retool...whichever. Do we know for a fact he would get a green light to go into a proper, 100% rebuild from the ground up?

And he'd have to trade at least DD who simply wouldn't agree to a complete rebuild and the return would very likely be underwhelming if there was a "list of teams" involved...which it would be.

When they're all gone, then what? You just hope the 25 year-olds just replace them?

This would happen if Rob didn't trade for Fiala and PLD. But he did. And because he did the Kings have a very solid first line + one top 2 LD sorted for the next, what, 7 years, if Kempe signs an extension? And they will be VERY cost controlled. If one of Clarke and QB reaches the hopeful stardom, this team already has a proper inner core in place. Imagine that. No need for a proper rebuild...3 years of proper suckage, hoping there are no Hickeys involved.

No need to significantly overpay in trade or in UFA market for elite talent.

The Kings won't win against Edmonton and Vegas with depth!? How do you think Vegas won?

With quality, durable and tough roster players, not with borderline AHL talent that has difficult time to show their talent at the NHL level because there are too many borderline players.

None of the players Rob traded in order to obtain PLD fit the description of "quality, durable AND tough". So with more prospects waiting for their chance at the NHL...what was Rob supposed to do? Trade Kupari and Iafallo for picks and hope those picks turn out to be more than borderline NHLers in what, 3 years time?

Blake's job is to build a team. And put a system in place, in his vision, to draft and develop the best players. Those players then fill out the lineup, and you trade pieces to fill in the holes.
You can hand wave the decision-making by outlining all the worst-case scenarios of prospects (Byfield second liner at best, Clarke one dimensional, etc) but the Kings will have to go back to the drawing board anyway, because they won't be able to afford replacing those players for the roles they hope to fill.

But Blake IS filling the holes that the drafted players can't fill (yet - at least with no certainty). Highlighting the best/worst case scenarios served one purpose here: it wasn't a high risk move. IF Gabe would be kept and panned out...the Kings are pretty much where we are now - with a long term solution. If he wouldn't, the Kings would be in a bad position, high-end talent wise. With this trade they have a legitimate 1st liner signed at a reasonable cap hit for 8 years. Kupari is irrelevant, IA is irrelevant, 2nd rounder was the main price Rob paid to fast-forward Gabe's development all while getting a grittier and much more durable frame. And an apparent leader.

In the end...if a GM has vision, but no balls to pull the trigger when good opportunity arises and no ability to properly identify risk involved with their moves...the team is doomed to be in a painful limbo.

Which is why Blake should have focused on improving the infrastructure, namely the development, first. When players become waiver-eligible (usually within 5 years of being drafted), you can't keep utilizing a plan that has players starting to realize their potential, like Kempe, after 7. You lose pieces and time starts running out. Especially if you're trying to do this before your legends retire.

1.) How do we know he didn't/doesn't seek ways to improve development? Is that an easy task perhaps that it makes it so obvious he doesn't? And does trying to improve development exclude the option to also try and improve the team?
2.) One of the big reasons that our current - supposedly very high end - prospect pool isn't panning out as expected (though our expectations seem to be very high) are the logjams...trading Kupari, IA, essentially Durzi + Gabe for one high end, long term solution at cost controlled contract is a step in the right direction. If he traded Gabe and a 1st for PLD and Iafallo for a 3rd to free up cap - that would be silly. It's quite obvious he knows what he needs to do.

The way they are handling QB, Anderson, Moore, Lizotte, Kaliyev and the way they handled Iafallo, Gabe and Durzi, ...do you really want to claim the Kings don't develop well? Basically all of them are exceeding expectations apart from QB and perhaps Kaliyev who is on par, more or less.

And in the end there's a question about Gabe's health that only time will answer. Perhaps his injury before the playoffs simply scared the front office too much.

PS: I'm not trying to start a comment "war" or anything. :) I'm totally on board with "agree to disagree" reply. It's a divisive topic for sure. Though I really don't understand the gloom...some even comparing it to Kovalchuk signing. It's like Rob traded the farm for a 32yo Fiala and 34yo PLD on the last legs in order to go all-in in the next 2 seasons and then *paf* team disintegrates into irrelevancy.
 
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And which of the new young core would take a leadership role...and when?

Quick rebuild/retool...whichever. Do we know for a fact he would get a green light to go into a proper, 100% rebuild from the ground up?

And he'd have to trade at least DD who simply wouldn't agree to a complete rebuild and the return would very likely be underwhelming if there was a "list of teams" involved...which it would be.



This would happen if Rob didn't trade for Fiala and PLD. But he did. And because he did the Kings have a very solid first line + one top 2 LD sorted for the next, what, 7 years, if Kempe signs an extension? And they will be VERY cost controlled. If one of Clarke and QB reaches the hopeful stardom, this team already has a proper inner core in place. Imagine that. No need for a proper rebuild...3 years of proper suckage, hoping there are no Hickeys involved.

No need to significantly overpay in trade or in UFA market for elite talent.



With quality, durable and tough roster players, not with borderline AHL talent that has difficult time to show their talent at the NHL level because there are too many borderline players.

None of the players Rob traded in order to obtain PLD fit the description of "quality, durable AND tough". So with more prospects waiting for their chance at the NHL...what was Rob supposed to do? Trade Kupari and Iafallo for picks and hope those picks turn out to be more than borderline NHLers in what, 3 years time?



But Blake IS filling the holes that the drafted players can't fill (yet - at least with no certainty). Highlighting the best/worst case scenarios served one purpose here: it wasn't a high risk move. IF Gabe would be kept and panned out...the Kings are pretty much where we are now - with a long term solution. If he wouldn't, the Kings would be in a bad position, high-end talent wise. With this trade they have a legitimate 1st liner signed at a reasonable cap hit for 8 years. Kupari is irrelevant, IA is irrelevant, 2nd rounder was the main price Rob paid to fast-forward Gabe's development all while getting a grittier and much more durable frame. And an apparent leader.

In the end...if a GM has vision, but no balls to pull the trigger when good opportunity arises and no ability to properly identify risk involved with their moves...the team is doomed to be in a painful limbo.



1.) How do we know he didn't/doesn't seek ways to improve development? Is that an easy task perhaps that it makes it so obvious he doesn't? And does trying to improve development exclude the option to also try and improve the team?
2.) One of the big reasons that our current - supposedly very high end - prospect pool isn't panning out as expected (though our expectations seem to be very high) are the logjams...trading Kupari, IA, essentially Durzi + Gabe for one high end, long term solution at cost controlled contract is a step in the right direction. If he traded Gabe and a 1st for PLD and Iafallo for a 3rd to free up cap - that would be silly. It's quite obvious he knows what he needs to do.

The way they are handling QB, Anderson, Moore, Lizotte, Kaliyev and the way they handled Iafallo, Gabe and Durzi, ...do you really want to claim the Kings don't develop well? Basically all of them are exceeding expectations apart from QB and perhaps Kaliyev who is on par, more or less.

And in the end there's a question about Gabe's health that only time will answer. Perhaps his injury before the playoffs simply scared the front office too much.

PS: I'm not trying to start a comment "war" or anything. :) I'm totally on board with "agree to disagree" reply. It's a divisive topic for sure. Though I really don't understand the gloom...some even comparing it to Kovalchuk signing. It's like Rob traded the farm for a 32yo Fiala and 34yo PLD on the last legs in order to go all-in in the next 2 seasons and then *paf* team disintegrates into irrelevancy.
We'll have to agree to disagree I think.

I suspect the Kings will get no further than the first round again. And when the team is trying to "win now", that's not a good thing.
 
Interesting trade but Blake still has work to do. The blue line is not good enough to compete for a Cup, and the Kings keep signing backup goalies.
 
Nobody working in the NHL believes Dubois is marginally better than Vilardi.

Dubois is a #1 C. He’s 25 years old. He’s big. He’s supremely skilled. And he wants to be in LA. We need to accept the possibility that Kopitar might be ready to hang up his skates once his contract is done.

This move takes the pressure off him to play 20 minutes a night and gives the lineup more depth down the middle and more options on special teams.

You don’t beat the Oilers by adding another 3rd pairing defenseman. You beat them by adding another Center who has the skills to stay on the ice and play against their best. That’s what Rob Blake did with this trade.

Adding PLD still won't beat the Oilers. The blue line still can't compete.
 
It feels like overpayment with 3 roster players and a pick. (Yeah, I consider Kupari more a regular NHLer now.) This moves Danault down. I wonder how he'll feel about that.
But I do like our 3 centers now compared to the last few years.

Just guessing:
Kempe - Kopitar - Byfield
Fiala - DuBois - Arvidsson
Moore - Danault - Kaliyev?

(Yeah, that's right. I put Arvy still on line 2)

So the stupid, vague plan is now being revealed. Apparently, the priority was wingers (Moore, Arvidsson, Fiala) ... then centers (Danault, Dubois)... then I guess defense (Gavrikov is the sole upgrade there). All this time, Blake's been thinking, "Do the opposite of Dean!" Then thinks to himself: "Oh wait, who's my goalie?"

I would stick with Moore - Danault - Arvidsson. That line was so fun to watch. Not sold on QB or Kaliyev.
 
Rob Blake ---->BOOOOO!!!

I like Vilardi a lot. I think he is poised to have a breakout season. DuBois has been a cancer everywhere he has played.

GO KINGS!!

"Everywhere" as in Columbus and Winnipeg? Can you provide details on him being a cancer? I honestly never heard of him before this trade, so I don't know anything about him.
 
Rob gave up a lot. It's risky, but if it works out he will look good.

On the flip side, if it all goes wrong this season, Rob will "fire" the coach (in his last year of his contract).
Rob will blame the coach, AEG won't owe $$ to a coach fired in the middle of a contract.
Rob gets off clean (via blaming the coach) and AEG is happy about the $$ not spent on a coach who no longer works for them.

Rob gets to select a new coach.

I don't think Toddy Mac is a bad coach. The team was way better than I though it was going to be, but look at the defensemen he had to settle for. And the fact that Quick was the worst he's ever been, and that caused a lot of instability in the pipes. I don't think coaching was the problem.
 
When a new young core has taken a leadership role.

He never rebuilt this team. He just amassed a couple high picks while wading through miserable seasons.

Instead, he's been trying to chase the cup for and with the old core he already inherited. And we've watched the core disappear one-by-one while Blake scrambles to give them cup opportunities. When they're all gone, then what? You just hope the 25 year-olds just replace them?

The Kings won't win against Edmonton and Vegas with depth!? How do you think Vegas won?

Blake's job is to build a team. And put a system in place, in his vision, to draft and develop the best players. Those players then fill out the lineup, and you trade pieces to fill in the holes.

You can hand wave the decision-making by outlining all the worst-case scenarios of prospects (Byfield second liner at best, Clarke one dimensional, etc) but the Kings will have to go back to the drawing board anyway, because they won't be able to afford replacing those players for the roles they hope to fill.

Which is why Blake should have focused on improving the infrastructure, namely the development, first. When players become waiver-eligible (usually within 5 years of being drafted), you can't keep utilizing a plan that has players starting to realize their potential, like Kempe, after 7. You lose pieces and time starts running out. Especially if you're trying to do this before your legends retire.

I don't put much blame on Blake. The majority of the blame should be on DL for what he did before he was fired.
 
I don't put much blame on Blake. The majority of the blame should be on DL for what he did before he was fired.
He's been GM for 6 seasons. When are you going to start putting the majority of the blame on him?
 
He's been GM for 6 seasons. When are you going to start putting the majority of the blame on him?
What are we blaming him for again?

The Kings just had one of the most successful seasons in franchise history. They made the playoffs for the second season in a row. They’ve got a roster filled with players who have come up through their development system with the stage set for Byfield, Clarke and Turcotte to fulfill their pre-draft hype at the NHL level.
 
What are we blaming him for again?

The Kings just had one of the most successful seasons in franchise history. They made the playoffs for the second season in a row. They’ve got a roster filled with players who have come up through their development system with the stage set for Byfield, Clarke and Turcotte to fulfill their pre-draft hype at the NHL level.
I've outlined my issues with Blake and his direction with the org fairly clearly. But here we go again.

He didn't want to rebuild because they wanted to keep competing with the previous core. So he keeps sending off futures to amass a total of 5 playoff games won in his 6 years. In the same time, Lombardi had 20 wins.

He's trying to "win now" while utilizing a slow-boil approach to their youth. The two agendas don't work, and his 'win now' has resulted in two first round exits.

In the same time, other teams have been further along in the playoffs with their youth in bigger roles, like Seattle with Beniers, Florida with Lundell, or Carolina with Jarvis. Teams lower in the standings like Anaheim has their 2019 first round pick already in the top-6, while the Kings' 2017 first round pick was still on third line duty. Ottawa's 2020 first round pick had more points last season than almost triple the Kings' 2020 second overall pick.

I blame Blake for going against the advice of his scouts and picking Turcotte, because it's advice from a buddy of his.

Blake's best moves of acquiring depth on the cheap was undone when he traded three regular players for a single marginal upgrade over the pieces he traded away, who has a career high of 63 points. Vilardi actually has a better points/60 scoring rate while having less favorable offensive zone deployments.

So he wants to win now, without actually winning anything in the playoffs. He has a developmental system that doesn't align with the timelines of competing now. He went multiple seasons short on LD and paid through the nose to acquire and retain one. He paid through the nose to rid himself of the Petersen contract, instead of trying to recoup picks that the team needs to replenish - picks they could have tried to leverage to move up in the draft to get other guys they wanted.

What's so great about getting a good record in the regular season, which was still only good enough for third in the division, when the team can't get past the first round?

So, to answer your question - I blame Blake for putting the Kings in a position worse than the black hole. Good enough to make the playoffs, but not good enough to make a dent in them.
 
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