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dannybuoy1
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It worked beautifully in 2012.
It worked beautifully in 2012.
Clif
Super Star
Hey now. Desjardins is a tank job specialist. CHI should be kicking themselves for not hiring him after winning a few games they weren’t supposed to.
salami
Top Forward
I stand corrected...so that's actually good news.
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Pickle_Pucks
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Blake has shown he can make a good deal when he clearly has the upper hand. Fiala + Arvi came at discounts from teams in cap + financial trouble and have worked out well to Blake's credit.
Now, can he make a deal where he has to give up high value, legitimate assets? Tick tock, Rob.
Now, can he make a deal where he has to give up high value, legitimate assets? Tick tock, Rob.
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KingsWord
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It's been so long since I visited this Kingdom...
After last night I was trying to figure out who I could yell at that wasn't my wife or kids or television.
I'm so confused with what is going on, statistically it's all an anomaly..
5th in goals for
2nd in goals against
A week or so ago
10th best power play
25th worst penalty kill
The language that Todd is using isn't very confidence inspiring... when a coach says 'can't explain it' then you've really lost the room.
As a lifetime beer league backup goaltender, I'm certified to provide feedback on goalkeeping and defense and I can say that about half of the goals that have gone in over the last 10 games are in the categories of 'dude wtf, play defense' or 'bro you gotta make that save'...
Our defense are like pylons, getting skated past, our goaltenders are letting in softies. It doesn't feel like anyone is accountable for Goaltending and Defense. No one leading the charge - Doughty looks tired from play 90 minutes a night... looks disengaged and frustrated, Edler looks like he could be many of our grandfathers, the other kids are struggling.
We don't have two reliable shut down d-men that can skate.
After last night I was trying to figure out who I could yell at that wasn't my wife or kids or television.
I'm so confused with what is going on, statistically it's all an anomaly..
5th in goals for
2nd in goals against
A week or so ago
10th best power play
25th worst penalty kill
The language that Todd is using isn't very confidence inspiring... when a coach says 'can't explain it' then you've really lost the room.
As a lifetime beer league backup goaltender, I'm certified to provide feedback on goalkeeping and defense and I can say that about half of the goals that have gone in over the last 10 games are in the categories of 'dude wtf, play defense' or 'bro you gotta make that save'...
Our defense are like pylons, getting skated past, our goaltenders are letting in softies. It doesn't feel like anyone is accountable for Goaltending and Defense. No one leading the charge - Doughty looks tired from play 90 minutes a night... looks disengaged and frustrated, Edler looks like he could be many of our grandfathers, the other kids are struggling.
We don't have two reliable shut down d-men that can skate.
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Ice24
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Unfortunately this team does not have the heart or makeup of that 2012 team.
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Rogie-Vachon
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I live in Denver and he is generally considered that here too
All these discussions are valid but special team are a glaring problem especially the kill. When the team has a propensity to take careless stick penalties every night because they’re behind the play or trying to make plays that aren’t there you need at least have a decent PK. They are last in the league, how can the staff not make some sort of adjustment, anything!!! They just stand there, don’t take away passing lanes, screen their own goaltenders. For the opposition it’s like taking a driving test, drive around the cones and park the puck in the net. When your last in a stat it directly has a correlation to points. This is something you can fix with coaching, who plays, passive vs aggressive style. We will all get an education tomorrow watching Boston
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AngelEyes
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Barry Trotz said it's unlikely he returns to coaching this season while he continuing to take care of family matters.
"I don't know yet," the 60-year-old said on the latest episode of "The Chirp with Daren Millard" podcast. "I'm deciding. There's a couple teams that reached out and I said I'm not there yet. I'm probably going to take the rest of the year off and see where I am. It's still a part of me but I'm going to continue to stay true to myself and my family right now."
https://www.nhl.com/news/barry-trot...n-on-the-chirp-with-daren-millard/c-338788188
Of course, all this means that he'll be behind someone's bench in the next couple of weeks, right?
King Ludwig
Registered Redophile
Things missing things so far for this to happen...
1) Fire coach
2) Trade with Lumbus
3) Win the Cup
Bollocks
Top Forward
Why are people calling for Rob's head forgetting that:
a) Willie wasn't here to win.
b) TM is very much leading post-rebuild team development where the Kings are STILL overperforming?
Maybe the real problem is that some players just can't find their game (anymore).
IMO changes are definitely necessary in defense, but I don't think Rob should be in a hurry (remember, when you're in a hurry you usually overpay). Why would he be? It's not deadline yet and the Kings are still IN a playoff spot.
Goalkeepers have been a disappointment, too. Copley has just gotten an opportunity, Villalta is still waiting for one while performing well in Ontario.
Since when are we back to being incredibly impatient? There are a LOT of teams that are WAY ahead of Kings in talent and deep in contention window and they simply can't do it. Heck, one of those teams the Kings gave quite a few trouble last year in the playoffs.
QB and BC, our top talents, aren't even playing in the NHL yet because it's TOO F***** SOON!
The time to replace TM - if things continue in this fashion this year - is in the OFFSEASON. Stop being rash FFS.
a) Willie wasn't here to win.
b) TM is very much leading post-rebuild team development where the Kings are STILL overperforming?
Maybe the real problem is that some players just can't find their game (anymore).
IMO changes are definitely necessary in defense, but I don't think Rob should be in a hurry (remember, when you're in a hurry you usually overpay). Why would he be? It's not deadline yet and the Kings are still IN a playoff spot.
Goalkeepers have been a disappointment, too. Copley has just gotten an opportunity, Villalta is still waiting for one while performing well in Ontario.
Since when are we back to being incredibly impatient? There are a LOT of teams that are WAY ahead of Kings in talent and deep in contention window and they simply can't do it. Heck, one of those teams the Kings gave quite a few trouble last year in the playoffs.
QB and BC, our top talents, aren't even playing in the NHL yet because it's TOO F***** SOON!
The time to replace TM - if things continue in this fashion this year - is in the OFFSEASON. Stop being rash FFS.
DryKing
Power Forward
I agree that TM should be replaced in the offseason where there will be time to decide and woo the correct replacement. His shelf life in most places has historically been 4 years and we can see why. That said, no chance that this current Kings team is over performing. Based on their roster they should be a 500+ club and they are hovering right around that mark so I would say they are almost performing to potential. The troubling part is the lack of future progress in terms of pulling up future key players on to the roster and giving them NHL experience. That truly is as glaring of an issue as our lack of proper defense construction.
I agree that it's best not for Blake to rush a trade, but on the flip side a trade should have occurred this previous offseason to lock down a future, or at least serviceable, LD when we let go of Maata. Maata, for all his fault, was our best defensive zone defensemen last season and a LD who we replaced with....? Obviously you can't build a defensive squad with all offensive defensemen. Yes we have Mikey and Edler but that's not enough to make up for Doughty (often caught out of position in the offensive zone), Walker, Durzi (who despite being our worst D in the defensive zone we double down and play on his off-side), and Roy (who apparently drank the cool aide and now wants to score goal instead of hang back on D). I can give Blake the benefit of the doubt and think that he expected Mikey, Edler and Roy to be enough but if we were to integrate Clarke that makes such a thought even more head scratching.
As for goalies I can give Blake the benefit of the doubt as no one foresaw the implosion that has been Petersen this year as it seems more mental based than talent based. Quick, on the other hand, has been above average but not good enough to save us from our dismal defense (including forwards). That said Blake has had the opportunity to add a few key goaltending talents in the past few drafts (outside the 1st round) and has passed. With only Villalta in our pipeline that is a pretty odd decision. Really seems like Blakes goal is to flood a position until we get what we are looking for then move on to the next which will work but take quite a bit of time.
On the positive, Ottawa started their rebuild around when we did and are far behind us in terms of the team development so I agree with you that the rebuild isn't dragging as much as it could. I also agree that some of the players we heavily banked on for our future, such as Doughty, simply aren't what they used to be and haven't been able to transition as well as expected along with the new NHL.
Overall the Kings are doing well (all things considered), but you can't continue to charge top dollar to attend games, make fans subscribe to 3 apps to watch games, market to a small population of fans (hoping to attract new) while losing focus on those who have long term diehards (through the good and bad years) and put out a crappy product while expecting attendance and interest to stay high. I'd say more than the team, the Organization has lost its identity.
Bollocks
Top Forward
What if he just doesn't want:
a) to disrupt the room by benching veterans
b) destroy confidence of young players
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As we all correctly figured out - the Kings are most definitely NOT contenders yet. That is still ahead of them - IMO until (if) 2 forwards and one defenseman prospect steps up into a legitimate top 6/top 4 role with solid two-way play, there's really no chance the Kings can dream of a contender status unless Rob sells the farm for short term success (which we don't want). Vilardi showed up great at the start but slowed down significantly. Kaliyev is good but also lacks consistency. Durzi is too mistake prone. IMO we're stuck hoping that at some point before next year's Christmas we see Vilardi, Byfield and Clarke tearing it up and shooting Kings right into contender status. Of course with a trade for a solid, dependable LD and finding a solution in goal.
That's why it doesn't seem logical that TM goes radical with accountability. We're simply not there yet. If certain players step up and Rob finds a good LD in a trade, and goaltending problem somehow sorts itself out, THEN I'll be worried if he doesn't hold underperformers accountable.
Regarding defense, last year it wasn't such a glaring issue and goaltending was OK, too. This year I think they avoided making any significant moves because they had the unknown of Brandt Clarke who, if he came up guns blazing, would take that top 4 RD spot and someone would then have to be traded. Maybe this still happens after WJC, who knows. My point is that some people expect Rob to have a crystal ball and foresee what will work and what won't work. Considering the Kings' contention curve there was no reason to rush things. No reason at all.
Regarding charging top dollar for games...well, your SOL, as long as there are people willing to pay that price, that's not going to change. Loyalty and fairness to long term fans is extremely rare in this turbo capitalistic world that reached and corrupted the sports world. This is irrelevant to this discussion though as I'm sure neither Rob or Luc can have any influence on that other than put the winning product on ice to satisfy you, the fans, but then the organization can and will increase the ticket prices even further...
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VCRW
Lurker
Accountability isn't just for winners... and the kids need to learn the right way... the sooner the better.
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Pickle_Pucks
Lurker
Anything short of 6 points on this home stand an TMac is on the hot seat officially.
Sutter could be available soon. Now that would be interesting.
I know he wants to live on the farm but an 18 month contract could be appealing. And yes, bring back Lombardi while we are at it
Sutter could be available soon. Now that would be interesting.
I know he wants to live on the farm but an 18 month contract could be appealing. And yes, bring back Lombardi while we are at it
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Jran
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Looking at the lines pregame tonight....I'm not sure what TM is smoking...
I will pick a bone here, the "right way" is always a matter of style judged by success. Replicating that success usually has a higher correlation to HOF players, but even one hit wonders flags fly forever. In both cases the eligible pool is a small percentage.
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Pickle_Pucks
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Chychrun is not the guy to target, in the least.
The right side is loaded with offensive minded guys. DD, Durzi, Spence, Clarke. We need more Mikey Anderson types, not more gunners.
Big, physical, can skate and play responsible hockey, chip in once in a while is what the Kings need.
The right side is loaded with offensive minded guys. DD, Durzi, Spence, Clarke. We need more Mikey Anderson types, not more gunners.
Big, physical, can skate and play responsible hockey, chip in once in a while is what the Kings need.
Bollocks
Top Forward
Now Chirping
- No one is chatting at the moment.