Brandt Clarke left off of World Jrs Roster

I've gotta ask where you get that opinion from? Have you seen or read up on the other D that made the roster? It says a lot to me that of the 8 D only one (Thompson) is a right shot. Clarke isn't even good enough to beat out players who will have to play their offside.

I think it's a bunch of Kings bias sour grapes by people who want Clarke to be better than he actually is. It reminds me of all the fangirl/fanboying about Clague. He's simply not a good enough defenseman to make the team. Being the highest scoring or even most talented offensive defenseman doesn't make him good enough. He needs to be better defensively. I was reading more about it and it's nearly universal among scouts who watched this camp: he's not better than the 8 who made the team.

Your assuming these other 8 defensemen are better than Clarke based on what JT, the roster? It's pretty common knowledge that when building a tournament roster you don't necessarily take the best players, but rather the players which will form the best team.

If the team was full of solid defensive defensemen he is a no brainier to add, but this defensive group seems to be more jack of all trades types that can play multiple situations as needed with a couple pretty solid offensive defensemen studs which are more multifaceted than Clarke is. It's really a bit of a wacky roster as the only defensive defensemen on the team is Donovan Sebrango who is far from great but makes the roster on the merit alone that they need at least one.

Essentially it appears the team was set on a certain strategy and added one DD and one Right Shot to add a little bit of situational poise. Jack Thompson, the only Right Shot, came up huge in the playoffs which likely gave him the edge, but at the end of the day Clarke is the superior player at this point (and younger).
 
I've gotta ask where you get that opinion from? Have you seen or read up on the other D that made the roster? It says a lot to me that of the 8 D only one (Thompson) is a right shot. Clarke isn't even good enough to beat out players who will have to play their offside.

I think it's a bunch of Kings bias sour grapes by people who want Clarke to be better than he actually is. It reminds me of all the fangirl/fanboying about Clague. He's simply not a good enough defenseman to make the team. Being the highest scoring or even most talented offensive defenseman doesn't make him good enough. He needs to be better defensively. I was reading more about it and it's nearly universal among scouts who watched this camp: he's not better than the 8 who made the team.

Only thing I could find on camp was Pronman in the Athletic saying Clarke will be a very good NHL player but didn’t wow him at camp and a scout agreed. I did see a ton of articles expressing shock over his “snub” back in the winter. Also, Yanetti said Clarke wasn’t a Drew Doughty when asked about comparables, and said he’s still only seen one Drew Doughty.

My early verdict: Clarke is not Doughty, will never be a great skater, we’ll see if he can fix his own-zone issues but he’s a determined kid so that’s hopeful, and he should be a legit NHL’er who puts up above-average points. Also, there’s not a day that goes by I’m not grateful for Mikey Anderson.
 
I am canadian .. and with the **** going on with hockey canada at the moment .. im glad we dont have any one associated with them at the moment
 
Your assuming these other 8 defensemen are better than Clarke based on what JT, the roster? It's pretty common knowledge that when building a tournament roster you don't necessarily take the best players, but rather the players which will form the best team.

If the team was full of solid defensive defensemen he is a no brainier to add, but this defensive group seems to be more jack of all trades types that can play multiple situations as needed with a couple pretty solid offensive defensemen studs which are more multifaceted than Clarke is. It's really a bit of a wacky roster as the only defensive defensemen on the team is Donovan Sebrango who is far from great but makes the roster on the merit alone that they need at least one.

Essentially it appears the team was set on a certain strategy and added one DD and one Right Shot to add a little bit of situational poise. Jack Thompson, the only Right Shot, came up huge in the playoffs which likely gave him the edge, but at the end of the day Clarke is the superior player at this point (and younger).

I remember that awful Team USA that Dean put together. There can definitely be some poor roster building for tournament squads.

I don't really care what Clarke does with the juniors squad either for 2022 or even 2023. I'd just like to see him be an impact NHL player. We know what he is good at like reading the play and making stuff happen and we know his skating is always criticized. The world juniors are great for best on best but Fagemo led in scoring in 2020 and he's been invisble at the NHL level. It is good to see how our lottery tickets play out in a best vs best format but I'm really most concerned about somebody young on the Kings becoming an impact NHL player rather than a role player.
 
Hopefully the kid uses this as motivation to get better.
 
Your assuming these other 8 defensemen are better than Clarke based on what JT, the roster? It's pretty common knowledge that when building a tournament roster you don't necessarily take the best players, but rather the players which will form the best team.

If by "assuming" you mean "reading up on scouting reports on as many of them as possible, reading what people who have watched the camp, and reading (and listening to podcasts) from people who have watched (in person) Clarke play," then you're right...I'm assuming.

Every report I've read is that when Clarke can anticipate what's happening, he's great. But when he can't anticipate it he's lost and makes bad mistakes leading directly to scoring chances that shouldn't have happened.

If the team was full of solid defensive defensemen he is a no brainier to add

And this is exactly where I see the bias. To any objective person he is not a no brainer to add. It's only people who have a vested interest in wanting him to succeed who think that. Objective talent evaluators just don't see him that way.

Essentially it appears the team was set on a certain strategy and added one DD and one Right Shot to add a little bit of situational poise. Jack Thompson, the only Right Shot, came up huge in the playoffs which likely gave him the edge, but at the end of the day Clarke is the superior player at this point (and younger).

Ugh. By what objective analysis is Clarke the superior player? Name one objective hockey talking head who thinks that.
 
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If by "assuming" you mean "reading up on scouting reports on as many of them as possible, reading what people who have watched the camp, and reading (and listening to podcasts) from people who have watched (in person) Clarke play," then you're right...I'm assuming.

Every report I've read is that when Clarke can anticipate what's happening, he's great. But when he can't anticipate it he's lost and makes bad mistakes leading directly to scoring chances that shouldn't have happened.



And this is exactly where I see the bias. To any objective person he is not a no brainer to add. It's only people who have a vested interest in wanting him to succeed who think that. Objective talent evaluators just don't see him that way.



Ugh. By what objective analysis is Clarke the superior player? Name one objective hockey talking head who thinks that.

JT please cite your sources because I guarantee you I have read as much as you have and the overall opinions shared on Clarke are not negative or indicating he has low, or even average, talent. I'm not biased when it comes to Clarke and have called out his shortcomings within the thread and in previous. It would be helpful if you added more context around your theory that he lacks talent as you haven't added much in the way of specifics (other than his ability to read plays).

Recent Article:

https://lakingsinsider.com/2022/07/...lects-on-development-camp-a-whirlwind-season/

“'I think when I was when I was drafted, a lot of people were talking about my offensive capabilities and I’m not saying I let those slip – I still think I’m still getting better in that situation – but my coaches in Barrie really honed in on my defensive play, they wanted me to play against the top guys across the league,” Clarke explained. “That’s [also] what the people in LA were saying to me, they wanted to see of how I handle myself in those kinds of situations, against top guys across the OHL and I really hung in, I think I excelled.'”

You could say that his game put quite a few smiles on quite a few faces during the most recent scrimmage, between Clarke’s Team Red and the Under-18 select team. After nearly setting up a pair of power-play goals with high-danger passes, Clarke held the zone at the left point, made a man miss as he worked his way towards the net and snapped home the game-winning goal.

It was one sequence and it came in a summer scrimmage game against players younger than he is. That context is needed. But it also offered a glimpse into some of the traits that make Clarke special, namely his hockey sense in the offensive zone, his playmaking vision to create an odd-man opportunity for others and skills with the puck that are rare for a defenseman. Regardless of the context, those are great things to have and he showcased them well.

Past Articles:

https://thehockeywriters.com/brandt-clarke-top-5-talent-2021-nhl-draft/

"Projection

If all goes well and Clarke develops, he has a very good chance at becoming a top-pairing defenseman in the NHL someday. He has all the tools required to make a difference at both ends of the ice and looked really solid in his first OHL season. If I had to compare him to someone, it would be Erik Karlsson. Both of them are great skaters and see the ice exceptionally well. While Karlsson’s game has fallen off over the past few seasons, he was still a dynamic player in his prime. Time will tell if Clarke makes a big impact but at this point, all signs point to him being a great player for years to come."

https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2021/04/16/brandt-clarke-scouting-report/

"Projection and Comparison

Brandt Clarke has the potential to become a dynamic offensive defenceman going forward. He could become a franchise-changing player, as well as compete for the Norris Trophy while in his prime if he reaches his ceiling. Of course, this is no guarantee. Clarke needs to continue his development, especially in the defensive end of the ice. However, his outstanding skating ability, ability to produce offence and hockey intelligence are all high-end. Clarke has some experience playing against men, so he could challenge for a spot in camp next year, but it is more likely that a little more time in junior is needed. His game is reminiscent of Erik Karlsson, however, this is a stylistic comparison only and not one based on skill or potential."

https://hockeyroyalty.com/2021/08/06/la-kings-brandt-clarke-the-type-player-la-has-never-had/

"The Fit

Clarke has all the makings to be the number one defenseman for the LA Kings, but there’s still time to develop his game in the junior leagues. With the OHL returning to play for the upcoming 2021-22 season, he’ll head back to join the Barrie Colts. Look for him to grow from his 38 point campaign in the 2019-20 season.

When December rolls around, look for him to be one of Team Canada’s number one offensive weapons on the blueline for the 2022 World Junior tournament. An event that will once again include a large number of Kings prospects.

I feel Clarke’s talent this upcoming season will persuade Kings management that he will be ready for the ‘big-leagues’ sooner rather than later. And although there might be a bit of a logjam on the right side of LA’s defense, for the time being, there might be a chance we see him on the Kings roster come to the start of the 2022 NHL season."

https://hockeyroyalty.com/2021/08/01/la-kings-brandt-clarke-became-a-leader-as-a-first-time-pro/

“Hard work, hard work, and once again, hard work,” stated the HC Nov? Z?mky CEO. “He is very talented and has talent from God. Now, it only needs to be developed, and I believe that it will soon become not only a part of the Kings but also a fun part of the Kings. He has the potential to become a leader of the team. He is excellent on the defensive side, but what is important is very often supporting the attack, and this is an essential feature of
modern hockey in today’s hockey, which Brandt is.”
 
Ugh. By what objective analysis is Clarke the superior player? Name one objective hockey talking head who thinks that.

Ah I forgot to reply to this insult - here you go. Clarke #13 , Thompson #88 . Guess thehockeywriters.com is biased though too right?

88: Jack Thompson, Tampa Bay Lightning

A smooth skating, right-shot defender, Jack Thompson has the ability to know when to pick his spot and jump into the play and attack. The former captain of the Sudbury Wolves was recently traded to the Soo Greyhounds in the OHL, has been a major point producer with 23 in 29 games and could very well close in on his 2019-20 points total. He displays great defensive awareness as he provides strong coverage in front of the net and an active stick to break up plays. Even though the Lightning don’t have household names, Thompson is definitely providing value as a mid-round prospect. – PB

13: Brandt Clarke, Los Angeles Kings

Brandt Clarke boasts some of the best offensive smarts and decision-making with the puck as a defenseman in his draft class. Selected eighth overall in 2021, Clarke can take control of a shift or lead a rush chance whenever he’s on the ice with his skating and speed. He won a gold medal for Canada at the World U18 Championship recording seven points in seven games. He picked up where he left off as he’s the second most productive defenseman in the OHL with 28 points in 23 games. – PB

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/
 
I remember that awful Team USA that Dean put together. There can definitely be some poor roster building for tournament squads.

This is when DL was at his worst - when he tried to get cute. Like oh I'm going to be Herb Brooks and put together not the best team, but the right team and then proceeds to put together an absolute disaster of a lineup. Or hey I know NO ONE thinks Cloutier is a good goalie, but I heard he's good in the dressing room, so I'm getting him AND extending him. Or hey no one in their right mind would take Hickey this high - BUT I WILL! And if it works I'll look like a genius. sigh. Such a smart guy, made so many stupid moves.
 
just to touch on what's already been discussed, i dont think anybody questions Clarke's skills and offensive potential, but we've heard several times since dev camp how he needs to work on his defensive reads and coverage (which was also the critique before he was drafted). Hell, even clarke himself mentioned in the LAKI interview that the Kings specifically asked him to work on those areas of his game. I have a lot of belief that Clarke is going to be a great player in the league, but i think he's an imperfect prospect, and if im hockey canada, its easier to go with guys who are older, more reliable, and can still put up solid offensive contributions, than to go with a younger kid who might struggle more on difficult matchups. Minimizing mistakes during the tourney is important. They arent at all concerned with development. They dont need to throw guys in to get time to improve their game. They want guys that are close to game ready as possible. And if that means using a guy with a current higher floor, vs. a guy with a potential higher ceiling, then that's totally acceptable.

Also, just to prepare a lot of you guys for whats going to happen this season with the Kings... Clarke has almost no shot of playing with the Kings this season. The logjam on the right side is simply too big. It's not just about finding a spot for him, they'd have to literally trade a guy away just to fit him in. And if they ultimately want to send him down, they cant. It isnt going to happen. Not this season.
 
Also, just to prepare a lot of you guys for whats going to happen this season with the Kings... Clarke has almost no shot of playing with the Kings this season. The logjam on the right side is simply too big. It's not just about finding a spot for him, they'd have to literally trade a guy away just to fit him in. And if they ultimately want to send him down, they cant. It isnt going to happen. Not this season.

"Assuming that Hockey Canada does not change its mind regarding the tournament coming up in August, the next test for Clarke will come with much sterner competition, when the Kings hit the ice for training camp in September.

Clarke is a wild card when it comes to the NHL roster and his status entering his 19-year-old season is such that he is eligible for either the NHL or the OHL and not the AHL. With a glut of right-handed defensemen, there are certainly no guarantees for a player in that situation, but that won’t stop him from believing in himself to thrive in that situation. How it shakes out, against the highest levels of competition, will be known in six-weeks time.

“I’m really intrigued to see what I’m like in those exhibition games, against those top NHL players,” he said. “It’ll be interesting, but I feel confident in myself. I’ve had some summer skates in Ottawa, with some top pro guys across the NHL and I’ve hung in there, I can still play my game, my creative kind of style, so, I’m confident in myself. I think I’m ready to go.”"

https://lakingsinsider.com/2022/07/...lects-on-development-camp-a-whirlwind-season/
 
...that won’t stop him from believing in himself to thrive in that situation.

his attitude is one of the traits i like most about him. He always seems upbeat and positive. Who knows how much of that is real, an dhow much of that is polish for the interviews, but it does give me hope. With that said, he'd have to basically be makar to force the kings hand.
 
his attitude is one of the traits i like most about him. He always seems upbeat and positive. Who knows how much of that is real, an dhow much of that is polish for the interviews, but it does give me hope. With that said, he'd have to basically be makar to force the kings hand.

Yep agreed, hard to think he's ready to make the jump to the NHL this season in itself, but added to that the logjam at RD on the Kings and I'd say he has less than a 2% chance to make the roster. Would be cool to see him get a few games though before being sent back to the OHL where he can hopefully continued to Captain the team, play top minutes and stay healthy.
 
I trust Yanetti and his eye for talent. While I'm a bit concerned that Clark didn't make the squad I have watched three of the Canada blueliners

Carson Lambos, Olen Zellweger and Ronan Seeley

many, many times. All three have one specific thing in common: they can skate and skate well.

That alone held Clark off the roster. Clark will be fine in the NHL and should just use this snub for what it was.
 
just to touch on what's already been discussed, i dont think anybody questions Clarke's skills and offensive potential, but we've heard several times since dev camp how he needs to work on his defensive reads and coverage (which was also the critique before he was drafted). Hell, even clarke himself mentioned in the LAKI interview that the Kings specifically asked him to work on those areas of his game. I have a lot of belief that Clarke is going to be a great player in the league, but i think he's an imperfect prospect, and if im hockey canada, its easier to go with guys who are older, more reliable, and can still put up solid offensive contributions, than to go with a younger kid who might struggle more on difficult matchups. Minimizing mistakes during the tourney is important. They arent at all concerned with development. They dont need to throw guys in to get time to improve their game. They want guys that are close to game ready as possible. And if that means using a guy with a current higher floor, vs. a guy with a potential higher ceiling, then that's totally acceptable.

Also, just to prepare a lot of you guys for whats going to happen this season with the Kings... Clarke has almost no shot of playing with the Kings this season. The logjam on the right side is simply too big. It's not just about finding a spot for him, they'd have to literally trade a guy away just to fit him in. And if they ultimately want to send him down, they cant. It isnt going to happen. Not this season.

The logjam leaves him zero chance in my eyes and I'm surprised so many think he's getting a look, BUT the season has a way of fixing those things through injuries etc, so maybe later in the year. My bet, however, is we don't see him this year and Blake is telling them all this is THE year to figure out who we're keeping on D and fixing this logjam and next year he has a reasonable shot.
 
I am in no rush to push Clarke along to the NHL this season.

He may still be not ready.

There's no shame in a player going back to junior hockey at age 18 and AGAIN at 19 as well,
if the player needs it to excel.

Alex Pietrangelo (selected 4th in 2008, 2 picks after Doughty), was sent back at 18 and 19,
because after playing a few early games each of those 2 seasons, he was deemed not ready
by the St Louis org.

But at age 20, he went on to make the team and had a 43-point, +18 rookie season, so
the wait was worth it. Pietrangelo kept improving in his final junior season.

I can see Brandt Clarke following a similar trajectory.
 
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I really like that Faber kid, solid defensemen great selection by the Kings.
 
I really like that Faber kid, solid defensemen great selection by the Kings.

You'll probably have long since forgotten about Faber right around the time Fiala registers his 20th goal of the season. Let's be honest, Faber's upside is very likely 'Matt Roy'.

As for Clarke, I also think it's a bit far fetched to even think he has a chance of making the King's roster this season, what with our right side logjam. Unless he comes into camp and preseason looking like the next coming of Bobby Orr, I suspect it'll be a quick return to his junior team with explicit instructions to dominate the league, score 80 points, and assure his place on his team's PP AND PK units. If he doesn't go +40 or so in his 'overage' season, I'll be miffed.
 
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You'll probably have long since forgotten about Faber right around the time Fiala registers his 20th goal of the season. Let's be honest, Faber's upside is very likely 'Matt Roy'.

As for Clarke, I also think it's a bit far fetched to even think he has a chance of making the King's roster this season, what with our right side logjam. Unless he comes into camp and preseason looking like the next coming of Bobby Orr, I suspect it'll be a quick return to his junior team with explicit instructions to dominate the league, score 80 points, and assure his place on his team's PP AND PK units. If he doesn't go +40 or so in his 'overage' season, I'll be miffed.

I've got to say, I was psyched when we drafted Faber and really looking forward to seeing him in a Kings uniform. He reminds me of a potential Willie Mitchell / Rob Scuderi type player in the making (in terms of potential playoff impact). Given what we got in Fiala though it was a great trade. I'll forget about him when Fiala scores 80 points in a season haha.
 

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