D.J. Smith Hotseat Thread

[Illegal_Stick]

Absolutely. Should’ve been fired right after the series and maybe we have Spence too, who had another great night for Ottawa last night.

You think of the GM as the one who trades players away, but this failed retool has taught us what coaches can do. Blake and Holland pulled the triggers, but the coaches made the decisions that many players (defense especially) were not needed. So many are thriving elsewhere - with zero sarcasm I would take all the D we gave away or let walk away (Roy) and make the whole group of them our D, giving up all we have.

Also - can’t convince me Gavrikov don’t stay because he knew he was never getting past Doughty to that number one spot. Another Hiller choice (though clearly Smith would do the same)

 

[symbology]

As many have pointed it out before, ties after regulation always resulted in a point for each team. If they really want to do something they should get rid of the exhibition point.

You sure? It used to be sudden death OT. If a game went to OT and there was no winner, it ended in a tie and each team got 1 point. If there was a winner, that team got 2 points and the losers, well they lost and got nothing. The 3 point OT has only been around for 25 years or so.

So, games ending tied in regulation 25 years ago meant neither team had earned a point yet.

 

[Birdman]

Explain Cole Caufield. It's possible.

It is, but after this amount of time, you can’t tell me he’s suddenly going to produce.

Does Panarin look out of place? Have I railed on him? He gets thumped here and there, but his skills outweigh his size.

Turcotte is a failed draft pick, amongst many others that were taken during our rebuild.

The entire scouting staff is stale and needs to be completely reworked.

 

[Halfwall]

You sure? It used to be sudden death OT. If a game went to OT and there was no winner, it ended in a tie and each team got 1 point. If there was a winner, that team got 2 points and the losers, well they lost and got nothing. The 3 point OT has only been around for 25 years or so.

So, games ending tied in regulation 25 years ago meant neither team had earned a point yet.

Some of us go all the way back to the 6 team league when there wasn't a regular season OT. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think a 5 on 5 5 minute OT was introduced sometime in the eighties. Nothing wrong with that. The gimmicks didn't start until about 25 years ago as you pointed out.

 

[Hockey53]

Some of us go all the way back to the 6 team league when there wasn't a regular season OT. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think a 5 on 5 5 minute OT was introduced sometime in the eighties. Nothing wrong with that. The gimmicks didn't start until about 25 years ago as you pointed out.

Here is an update Halfwall on when the 5 on 5,5 minutes OT started in the NHL:
The NHL reintroduced the five-minute, 5-on-5 sudden-death overtime period for the regular season at the start of the 1983-84 season. This format was designed to settle tie games, which previously had been allowed since the 1942-43 season, with games still ending in ties if no score occurred during the 5 minutes.You have a very good memory on when the 5 on 5,5 minute OT started

 

[DryKing]

It is, but after this amount of time, you can’t tell me he’s suddenly going to produce.

Does Panarin look out of place? Have I railed on him? He gets thumped here and there, but his skills outweigh his size.

Turcotte is a failed draft pick, amongst many others that were taken during our rebuild.

The entire scouting staff is stale and needs to be completely reworked.

He's played 161 NHL games (plus 16 playoff games) at the age of 25. That is not a failed draft pick.

Sure you could hope he had more games/points by this time, but a "failed" 2019 draft pick is, thus far, Soderstrom (#11 / 61 games), Thomson (#19 / 20 games), Heinola (#20 / 56 games), Poulin (#21 / 15 games), Pelletier (#26 / 88 games), Foote (#27 / 35 games), Suzuki (#28 / 2 games), Tracey (#29 / 1 game), Johnson (#31 / 47 games) and the list goes on.

Underplaying what Turcotte has accomplished in the NHL is pure folly. Sure we all want a home run player at #5 overall, but there have been plenty of top 5 flops which Turcotte is not one of.

 

[hokiecat]

He's played 161 NHL games (plus 16 playoff games) at the age of 25. That is not a failed draft pick.

Sure you could hope he had more games/points by this time, but a "failed" 2019 draft pick is, thus far, Soderstrom (#11 / 61 games), Thomson (#19 / 20 games), Heinola (#20 / 56 games), Poulin (#21 / 15 games), Pelletier (#26 / 88 games), Foote (#27 / 35 games), Suzuki (#28 / 2 games), Tracey (#29 / 1 game), Johnson (#31 / 47 games) and the list goes on.

Underplaying what Turcotte has accomplished in the NHL is pure folly. Sure we all want a home run player at #5 overall, but there have been plenty of top 5 flops which Turcotte is not one of.

You know what bird meant. Turc's a failed pick at #5. He's the only top 10 guy who has under 3 point shares for his career. He's got the least goals and least points of his peer group. When you get a top 5 pick, you hope your scouts get an impact player rather than a generic NHL player. He could carve out a 500+ game NHL career like Brett Connolly (#6 overall) and be a solid NHL'er. But I think the Kings and most fans were hoping for guy more like Seider or Cozens or Broberg or Zegras with the pick.

 

[DarkLeftHand]

Absolutely. Should’ve been fired right after the series and maybe we have Spence too, who had another great night for Ottawa last night.

You think of the GM as the one who trades players away, but this failed retool has taught us what coaches can do. Blake and Holland pulled the triggers, but the coaches made the decisions that many players (defense especially) were not needed. So many are thriving elsewhere - with zero sarcasm I would take all the D we gave away or let walk away (Roy) and make the whole group of them our D, giving up all we have.

Also - can’t convince me Gavrikov don’t stay because he knew he was never getting past Doughty to that number one spot. Another Hiller choice (though clearly Smith would do the same)

This is a wild point but our defense could look like this..

Gavrikov / Faber
Roy / Durzi
Walker / Spence

Too many R shots, obviously, but even at the expense of a young talent like Clarke, I’d say a bit of revisionist history would work out quite well for the Kings here.. oh, and for a super mind boggling bonus, if you throw in a ‘shoulda been but never was’, drafting Lane Hutson(instead of doing GM daddy Hughes a solid by drafting his kid way too high) and slotting him on that L side somewhere. Wowsers..

 

[Birdman]

This is a wild point but our defense could look like this..

Gavrikov / Faber
Roy / Durzi
Walker / Spence

Too many R shots, obviously, but even at the expense of a young talent like Clarke, I’d say a bit of revisionist history would work out quite well for the Kings here.. oh, and for a super mind boggling bonus, if you throw in a ‘shoulda been but never was’, drafting Lane Hutson(instead of doing GM daddy Hughes a solid by drafting his kid way too high) and slotting him on that L side somewhere. Wowsers..

Good ole boys gotta go.

Where is Lieweike when you need him.

 

[Birdman]

He's played 161 NHL games (plus 16 playoff games) at the age of 25. That is not a failed draft pick.

Sure you could hope he had more games/points by this time, but a "failed" 2019 draft pick is, thus far, Soderstrom (#11 / 61 games), Thomson (#19 / 20 games), Heinola (#20 / 56 games), Poulin (#21 / 15 games), Pelletier (#26 / 88 games), Foote (#27 / 35 games), Suzuki (#28 / 2 games), Tracey (#29 / 1 game), Johnson (#31 / 47 games) and the list goes on.

Underplaying what Turcotte has accomplished in the NHL is pure folly. Sure we all want a home run player at #5 overall, but there have been plenty of top 5 flops which Turcotte is not one of.

Sorry, but we’re going to agree to disagree. He’s a Top 5 flop until he proves otherwise.

I’ll eat crow if he gets elsewhere and turns into Caulfield, but from what I see with my eyes, he ain’t getting there.

 

[DarkLeftHand]

Sorry, but we’re going to agree to disagree. He’s a Top 5 flop until he proves otherwise.

I’ll eat crow if he gets elsewhere and turns into Caulfield, but from what I see with my eyes, he ain’t getting there.

Agree, at this point, it’ll be a small miracle if he even turns into a Newhook, Mcmichael, or Krebs, for -any- franchise. The majority of that entire draft class was dog sh*t, though..

 

[Dexter]

Bruce Cassidy is available, bitches!

 

[DryKing]

You know what bird meant. Turc's a failed pick at #5. He's the only top 10 guy who has under 3 point shares for his career. He's got the least goals and least points of his peer group. When you get a top 5 pick, you hope your scouts get an impact player rather than a generic NHL player. He could carve out a 500+ game NHL career like Brett Connolly (#6 overall) and be a solid NHL'er. But I think the Kings and most fans were hoping for guy more like Seider or Cozens or Broberg or Zegras with the pick.

Let's not play the "you know what so and so meant" game as I cannot know beyond what is posted here on the board, and even then do not need to agree with it. In this case, it's the word "failed" that I disagree with. Sure you can say he has been a disappointing pick, and several players drafted later have had better careers thus far, but he is far from a failure but the same is true that several players drafted in the 1st round have has lesser NHL careers thus far, and the NHL has had true failures even at 1st overall whose careers Turc has already exceeded.

Additionally. not all opportunities are created equal. Had he gone to a team like the Ducks, Red Wings, or Sabres he would have had the opportunity to get top line and compete for PP1 minutes. Instead he went to the Kings team where Kopitar, Carter, Lizotte, Lewis and Kupari were already initially slotted in at Center ahead of him and has had to work his way up. Once he did work his way up to the NHL, he then was met with a HC who regularly underused the younger players and refused to play most in key situations. It's still his job to overcome these obstacles, but context and environment matter.

Sorry, but we’re going to agree to disagree. He’s a Top 5 flop until he proves otherwise.

I’ll eat crow if he gets elsewhere and turns into Caulfield, but from what I see with my eyes, he ain’t getting there.

That fair, but most 1st round picks do not turn out to be a Caulfield.

 

[Illegal_Stick]

What eve given away makes me wonder how our scouting is. Pretty good, no? We’re just hanging on to what they draft? Just wondering as a house cleaning is obviously approaching.