Fire Hiller

I don’t buy that at all. Someone’s lying. Evidence shows the same ‘tactic’ being implemented in multiple games, ending with the same result. Either Hiller ordered it, or the team decided to play like that despite what Hiller coached them to do, which means that he lost the room and the players were ignoring him.

Whichever is true doesn’t matter. Either option means that Hiller was ineffective and should be replaced.
I’m a little uncomfortable with the framing on this. But it’s a board where we all get to voice our opinions and I have zero interest in arguing with anyone.

This team blew leads during the year by doing the exact thing we saw in the playoffs.
They sat back, flipped the puck out, and lost leads and games because of it. Not frequently, but it happened.
In the aftermath the coach and players admitted that the team just let off the gas. They did it. They admitted to doing it. No one accused the Coach of dictating that strategy. No one. I don’t believe anyone watching felt it was the strategy. We accepted the explanation that they messed up.

In Game 1 I quickly saw that they were doing it. I thought “If you think you’re going to beat this team by flipping the puck out for the final 20 minutes you’re crazy”. I never, ever believed that was the strategy from the coach of the GM or the owner. I saw it as the players being scared.

All of us are miles away from being close enough to know what was said, who said it. We aren’t hearing the conversations among coaches during the periods. We don’t know what is said when the coaches huddle between periods. We don’t know what the coaches say to the players about strategy. And we don’t know what the players say to one another.
(We do hear in postgame comments what the coach and players say.)
We have nothing concrete beyond that.

We do know that no one involved said the strategy was to sit back. I don’t believe this Coach would tell the players one thing and then deny it knowing that the players would become aware of the lie and then go along with the lie. I think that is just too far fetched.

As someone who played sports through college and had some coaching experience I can tell you that it is not uncommon for players to disregard what the coach has instructed. Not intentionally. But the players fall into a comfort zone and ignore the strategy.
As a coach I know there were times I would tell the players what I wanted only to watch them do the opposite. Again, it’s not intentional. At times the message goes in one ear and out the other.

It is fair to criticize the coaching decisions, and I’m not only tolerant of it but at times participate in that. The challenge was not wise. The decision to avoid playing the fourth line or third pair was a mistake, in my estimation.

I just have an issue with the accusations from our distance of people being liars. I don’t think it’s appropriate. We don’t know enough to make that claim.

I’m not calling anyone out. We all have strong feelings about the Kings. We have various ways we deal with the disappointments. I just hope we can accept that we share a devotion and passion for the Kings and can voice our differences in opinion without the harsh language.

One final comment is that I do appreciate the variety of thoughts people share here. I don’t agree with all I read. But I do like different perspectives and opinions.
 
I’m a little uncomfortable with the framing on this. But it’s a board where we all get to voice our opinions and I have zero interest in arguing with anyone.

This team blew leads during the year by doing the exact thing we saw in the playoffs.
They sat back, flipped the puck out, and lost leads and games because of it. Not frequently, but it happened.
In the aftermath the coach and players admitted that the team just let off the gas. They did it. They admitted to doing it. No one accused the Coach of dictating that strategy. No one. I don’t believe anyone watching felt it was the strategy. We accepted the explanation that they messed up.

In Game 1 I quickly saw that they were doing it. I thought “If you think you’re going to beat this team by flipping the puck out for the final 20 minutes you’re crazy”. I never, ever believed that was the strategy from the coach of the GM or the owner. I saw it as the players being scared.

All of us are miles away from being close enough to know what was said, who said it. We aren’t hearing the conversations among coaches during the periods. We don’t know what is said when the coaches huddle between periods. We don’t know what the coaches say to the players about strategy. And we don’t know what the players say to one another.
(We do hear in postgame comments what the coach and players say.)
We have nothing concrete beyond that.

We do know that no one involved said the strategy was to sit back. I don’t believe this Coach would tell the players one thing and then deny it knowing that the players would become aware of the lie and then go along with the lie. I think that is just too far fetched.

As someone who played sports through college and had some coaching experience I can tell you that it is not uncommon for players to disregard what the coach has instructed. Not intentionally. But the players fall into a comfort zone and ignore the strategy.
As a coach I know there were times I would tell the players what I wanted only to watch them do the opposite. Again, it’s not intentional. At times the message goes in one ear and out the other.

It is fair to criticize the coaching decisions, and I’m not only tolerant of it but at times participate in that. The challenge was not wise. The decision to avoid playing the fourth line or third pair was a mistake, in my estimation.

I just have an issue with the accusations from our distance of people being liars. I don’t think it’s appropriate. We don’t know enough to make that claim.

I’m not calling anyone out. We all have strong feelings about the Kings. We have various ways we deal with the disappointments. I just hope we can accept that we share a devotion and passion for the Kings and can voice our differences in opinion without the harsh language.

One final comment is that I do appreciate the variety of thoughts people share here. I don’t agree with all I read. But I do like different perspectives and opinions.
I hear ya, and agree with some points.

But again, if it wasn’t Hiller’s game plan to sit back, then what was his game plan? And why didn’t he make sure to implement it by benching those players who were being scared/lazy and just flipping the puck into the O zone?

It’s the coaches job to coach. And if he didn’t do anything about it, then whose responsibility was it? Not the players; they’re just playing as they’ve been told to play….unless they’re not listening to Hiller anymore.

About the lying: maybe it’s not actually ‘lying’, but more like you said about players losing focus and falling back into old habits w/o realizing it. But with the $$$ these guys are making, including Hiller, they should be recognizing that and doing something to change it. And that again takes us back to the coaching (and the Captain as well).
 
Hiller seems so brain dead
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I don’t believe anyone watching felt it was the strategy. We accepted the explanation that they messed up.
Yeah, lots of people watching, including analysts, knew it. Of course it was the strategy! The Kings switched to the 1-3-1, which failed them time and again in the past against the Oilers and something Hiller specifically said he wanted to get away from. Players may start executing poorly, or playing tentatively, but all three lines sure as hell don't change formations on their own. That's the coach and only the coach.
 
I just read that quacks are hiring Quenneville?! That's who I wanted for the Kings!!!! Yet we're stuck with Hiller!
 
I feel kinda bad, haha, because Blake course corrected this year, but Hiller's coaching cost him his job. I wouldn't say single handedly because the team wasn't able to make it pass the first round during Blake's tenure. But the Kings make it past the first round, Blake is probably still around next season regardless of anything else. ;)

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I feel kinda bad, haha, because Blake course corrected this year, but Hiller's coaching cost him his job. I wouldn't say single handedly because the team wasn't able to make it pass the first round during Blake's tenure. But the Kings make it past the first round, Blake is probably still around next season regardless of anything else. ;)

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The biggest issue for me regarding this whole subject is Hiller and the team barely escaped with a win in the first game after watching this tactic fail miserably giving up 4 goals in the third period...then won convincingly in game two...indicating a successful adjustment had been made and then went BACK to the original horrible strategy in games 3 and 4. It's the most bewildering thing about this series. (That and the complete disappearing act in game 5...which totally defied explanation.) What was going on in that locker room? Were the player thinking one thing and Hiller saying another? I feel that Hiller is a good coach....led the team well through a tremendous regular season...and yet feel based solely on what happened in this series....he needs to go. Strange but true. (and it doesn't look like he's going anywhere anyway so who cares.)
 
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I'll say that if the late game tactics were NOT from Hiller, I sure didn't see him put any effort into correcting it. A time out for course correction? No. A little fire on the bench to get the team playing the way they should? No. Game after game. And was over playing certain lines and exhausting them on the players as well? Perhaps Hiller wanted the fourth line out there, but Kopi and the gang jumped out instead? Maybe the challenge came from somewhere else as well? Poor Hiller is just misunderstood?

Get outa here with all the Hiller excuses. Guy is to blame.
 
I'll say that if the late game tactics were NOT from Hiller, I sure didn't see him put any effort into correcting it. A time out for course correction? No. A little fire on the bench to get the team playing the way they should? No. Game after game. And was over playing certain lines and exhausting them on the players as well? Perhaps Hiller wanted the fourth line out there, but Kopi and the gang jumped out instead? Maybe the challenge came from somewhere else as well? Poor Hiller is just misunderstood?

Get outa here with all the Hiller excuses. Guy is to blame.
He's learning on the fly, unfortunately; his inexperience cost us dearly. He's supposed to right the ship and inspire. Gameplan trickles down from him.
 
Had a few days to gather my thoughts and watch all of the Exit interviews as well as Robitaille's presser.

I just don't understand this team's reluctance to not let go of the past. Bringing back the silver and black jerseys, still hanging onto Robitaille and possibly Hiller. I was furious as a 45+ year fan at how Hiller took no responsibility to the absolute collapse in the playoffs. No question IMHO he should be gone and still may be if the GM wants his own coach. Luc, Flake, Hiller, all of them should have been shown the door. I just think a fresh person to take over is more than welcome. I don't remember if it was Dennis Bernstein or Russell Morgan that asked Luc if he is looking at himself for the past 11 years and no playoff wins (technically only 8 under him). The fans want to see accountability.

I honestly thought objectively the Kings had a chance to win the Cup this season. The big thing they had going for them in the playoffs (save for Jeannot) is that they were healthy. How often does that happen? Tough to repeat the regular season they had. That is why this loss stings more.

We'll see what happens in the next few weeks/months but I would have rather seen a house cleaning with everyone, similar to what was done in 2006 when Dean was brought in.
 
Had a few days to gather my thoughts and watch all of the Exit interviews as well as Robitaille's presser.

I just don't understand this team's reluctance to not let go of the past. Bringing back the silver and black jerseys, still hanging onto Robitaille and possibly Hiller. I was furious as a 45+ year fan at how Hiller took no responsibility to the absolute collapse in the playoffs. No question IMHO he should be gone and still may be if the GM wants his own coach. Luc, Flake, Hiller, all of them should have been shown the door. I just think a fresh person to take over is more than welcome. I don't remember if it was Dennis Bernstein or Russell Morgan that asked Luc if he is looking at himself for the past 11 years and no playoff wins (technically only 8 under him). The fans want to see accountability.

I honestly thought objectively the Kings had a chance to win the Cup this season. The big thing they had going for them in the playoffs (save for Jeannot) is that they were healthy. How often does that happen? Tough to repeat the regular season they had. That is why this loss stings more.

We'll see what happens in the next few weeks/months but I would have rather seen a house cleaning with everyone, similar to what was done in 2006 when Dean was brought in.
Agreed, there is no question that it is time to clean house. Luc, Bergevin and Hiller all need to be shown the door. It makes me sick to see how much better the Ducks continue to align themselves than the Kings. Strong GM, top tier coach (not including the baggage) better TV deal, better in-rink fan experience (including fan appreciation nights), it just doesn't end.

To me, Blake was the strongest cog in the broken wheel. Now we just have a President who doesn't care about winning (or take any accountability), a phantom advisor who lurks in the shadows and a coach who has gotten out-coached the last two playoffs but doesn't seem to question himself or his tactics. We also have on-ice leaders (C and A's) who need to hand that leadership role over to others.

The saddest part is that this team should have gone deep and is capable of doing so. I really hope the forward momentum doesn't get washed due to the upper management's inept ability.
 
I think one of the most fascinating things about Hiller is how many of us have been conditioned to believe this was a “rookie” coach who messed up, ignoring the fact that this was his SECOND go at the Oilers and made many of the same mistakes.

It’s amazing that the narrative of “he couldn’t change anything” or do what he wanted last year was accepted by so many (myself included.)

Why make the change if you supposedly can’t do anything different anyway? I have never heard any other team make this claim about a new coach - he’s in charge, but nothing is his fault because he has no time to change anything.

He was in charge of that team last year and he had that team sit back over and over. He did it this year and combined it with even greater errors.

Combine all of that with pressers and exit interviews that show ZERO accountability and it’s clearly time to move on. Hope Holland can see that.
 
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