FIRE LUC

Clif said:
On the latest 32 Thoughts Freidman said a lot of teams are going to try and make big trades this offseason and there are going to be some disappointed fanbases when their GMs couldn’t do more. There are only so many players that will be available.

We can only wait and see. Ducks are significantly ahead of the Sharks. They also have a serious trade chip in McTavish. He is not a top 6 center on the Ducks yet he should be considered that on another team. Verbeek traded the right young players in Zegras and Drysdale to actually improve the roster. I think he’ll do it again.

Sharks clearly have young pieces to trade, but they need more help than the Ducks do, especially on defense.

SEA and CAL both need to decide whether they are stepping back to rebuild or continue to try and be a playoff team. Talking central, the same applies to NSH and StL.

I believe there is a potential for the Kings to improve but it is going to require a truly deft touch by Holland and even some luck. Gauthier wanted out of PHI for example just as Panarin wanted to be a King. Long way to go until June.
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Biggest issue for Holland is he doesn’t have the prospects to make a big trade for a prime aged or younger player. All he’s got is draft picks and some prospects with lower ceilings.
 
Statue4Deano said:
Biggest issue for Holland is he doesn’t have the prospects to make a big trade for a prime aged or younger player. All he’s got is draft picks and some prospects with lower ceilings.
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Exactly the problem. Why a Petterson reclamation project sounds like the most viable solution at center, and he’s still going to cost more than people think because there will be competition for every center.

Imagine the haul Larkin will pull if he is traded.

Draft picks are valued more than they used to be (or should be). I am looking at TOR and NSH. But this summer feels way unpredictable.
 
HeadInjury said:
If they let Luc go (and they should), they should let everyone else go. Holland, Emerson, Murray, the coaching staff, maybe even Yanetti. No holdovers. Just let the new President select his management team and coaching staff and go from there.
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Danny B. is never going to do that. Luc (on purpose) made Holland a "poison pill"

Luc kept the coach, but hired a new GM. This allowed Luc to have more people thrown under the bus before they get to him. They are not going to fire Holland one year into his contract....Luc knew this, and it buys him time.

To keep Luc the furthest away from being fired he puts more dominoes in front of him on staggered contracts. It's what "smart" (inept) management does. They are poor managers, but brilliant at deflection.

Fire old GM and hire new GM, but keep old coach. No new GM wants the bad old coach, so Luc knows he won't last, and the firing and hiring of yet another coach is on the new GM's watch. Luc absolves himself of the hiring and firing of the coaching staff leaving it to Holland.

EVERYONE with how understand competent management in sports knows that if you have a bad GM and a bad coach you fire both at the same time and start over with a new GM and his new coach pick.

Inept management only wants to save their skin, so they stagger the positions under staggered contracts.

This is not new to AEG, it's how they run their sports teams.
 
Clif said:
Exactly the problem. Why a Petterson reclamation project sounds like the most viable solution at center, and he’s still going to cost more than people think because there will be competition for every center.

Imagine the haul Larkin will pull if he is traded.

Draft picks are valued more than they used to be (or should be). I am looking at TOR and NSH. But this summer feels way unpredictable.
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I don't see Petterson making other players better. I don't like his body language and or attitude on the ice. I would rather develop a 1c in the minors than take a chance on Petterson. No need to give Vancouver a way out.
 
ICE24 said:
I don't see Petterson making other players better. I don't like his body language and or attitude on the ice. I would rather develop a 1c in the minors than take a chance on Petterson. No need to give Vancouver a way out.
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Trading for Petterson would concern me also. I do not see many options, so I am hoping other options exist I can’t see.
 
MiketheKing said:
Rosen, not a huge name, to take shots at a big figurehead says a lot--He's willing to put his neck out there to warn others about how incompetent LUC is behind closed doors. I believe Rosen in Luc's results speak for themselves.
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It’s very easy to believe Rosen’s claims. We’ve all heard the rumors and he’s finally putting his name out as a source. I appreciate his disclosure.
 
ICE24 said:
I don't see Petterson making other players better. I don't like his body language and or attitude on the ice. I would rather develop a 1c in the minors than take a chance on Petterson. No need to give Vancouver a way out.
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I might be willing to take a shot at 50% retained and not too high of a cost, but no way Vancouver agrees to that.
 
ICE24 said:
I hope you are right. I just don't believe Panarin moves the pendulum in acquiring outside talent. Last summer's upgrades by Holland were Ceci, Dumo and Armia. Most of LGK lost their minds when they heard of these signings. When the Rangers traded Panarin, their point or win total was around what the Kings was at that time. The Rangers wanted to get rid of Panarin as quick as possible, as the team was floundering. Isn't his wife an actress or something in show business. I believe that played a big role in him signing here. I never believed he was going to change this team into a second-round team.

I also saw nothing out of Kempe, Panarin in the playoffs. Yes, they scored 3 PP goals between them, less than a goal a game, however, they played a lot more five on five, than they did with a man advantage. They were badly outplayed and that goes for the entire team. The one part of Panarin's game I do like, is his ability to fling the puck toward the net from just inside the blueline. You had two big time players making big time money and they fell flat when they made it into the big dance. So that concerns me more than anything.

If the goal is to compete for the cup, the Kings are not even close. Barely making the playoffs when you add a player like Panarin, and then getting swept, I would rather have a prospect playing in the minors and having at least the potential of playing in the NHL, than to squeak in, (in the worst division in hockey) and getting swept by adding an 11-million-dollar player. And that is why I did not believe he was a good fit for the Kings.

The most glaring statistic is Darcy keeping the Kings in the playoff picture by stealing all of those regulation ties early on, before he got hit by that Rat on Dallas. He was obviously not the same when he came back and that is when those ties turned into losses in regulation. I believe he would have been the Canadian Olympic goalie if he would have not been hit, as he was having an incredible year, keeping the Kings in the playoff hunt with those ties. Luckily for the Kings, he had built up enough pity points to overcome the second half of the season. I don't see that happening next season and those regulation ties they had this season, will most likely become regulation losses and that takes them far from the playoffs.

Next season, I believe the Ducks and Sharks will be a lock for the playoffs. What other team will the Kings beat out to make it in. Vegas, Edmonton or even Seattle? And throw in the Flames as well.
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All valid and I agree with you on Darcy. If not for the injury he would have likely played in the Olympics and carried momentum forward thereafter. Kings still were not going past the 1st round even if Darcy and Fiala were healthy, but it would have been fun to watch.

Panarin was a hard one for me to judge. I kept hoping he would do more in the playoffs, but then again he had almost half of the team's goals. Kempe was also a letdown, on the score sheet, but he was playing with a Center who was completely gassed coming into the playoffs and put up zero points. I'm just not sure how to properly evaluate that line considering Kopitar, as great as he is, should not have been on it.

As to whether or not the addition of Panarin will attract talent, only time will tell. I think Panarin is very well respected in the NHL, has been referred to as being an excellent teammate and is idolized but a pocket of the younger Russian players. It's really going to come down to how good Holland is at his job.
 
Statue4Deano said:
It’s very easy to believe Rosen’s claims. We’ve all heard the rumors and he’s finally putting his name out as a source. I appreciate his disclosure.
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I was pretty surprised by it. Personally I don't see a lot of gain for Rosen in doing so, but a good amount of risk. The fact that he is not alone in his comments speaks volumes.

Hard to believe it's not true.
 
Wow, I hadn’t seen that from Rosen.

I sure hope this turns around quickly cause I don’t like a world where running into Rob Blake or Luc Robitaille on the street has me wanting to do anything other than shake their hand. Childhood idols.
 
Rosen's take: There have been dozens of capricious or political dismissals....

Are we talking corporate "politics" or AEG, Uncle Phil MAGA politics?
 
Moog said:
Rosen's take: There have been dozens of capricious or political dismissals....

Are we talking corporate "politics" or AEG, Uncle Phil MAGA politics?
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I’m sure it’s corporate politics. These types of firings started 20 years ago when Luc got the keys to the castle.
 
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