It’s deadline season!

Statue4Deano said:
Outside of the Ceci/Dumoulin signings I think Holland has been excellent. I’m very happy with him as GM.
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What do the Kings achieve by adding 2 vets to take up roster spots that could be used to test out the AHL guys?

Will we see players leaving the Kings for nothing, again, only to make careers elsewhere?

Joseph was a free add, but Laughton makes little sense, even for a 3rd.

And he fired the coach too late, too.

He also failed to act on Danault situation before his trade value plummeted.

I don't know why you're so happy. No sane GM would spend big in this situation...
 
Bollocks said:
What do the Kings achieve by adding 2 vets to take up roster spots that could be used to test out the AHL guys?

Will we see players leaving the Kings for nothing, again, only to make careers elsewhere?

Joseph was a free add, but Laughton makes little sense, even for a 3rd.

And he fired the coach too late, too.

He also failed to act on Danault situation before his trade value plummeted.

I don't know why you're so happy. No sane GM would spend big in this situation...
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His mission. Make the playoffs...motive not hard to understand even though we all know it was destined to fail.
 
Bollocks said:
What do the Kings achieve by adding 2 vets to take up roster spots that could be used to test out the AHL guys?

Will we see players leaving the Kings for nothing, again, only to make careers elsewhere?

Joseph was a free add, but Laughton makes little sense, even for a 3rd.

And he fired the coach too late, too.

He also failed to act on Danault situation before his trade value plummeted.

I don't know why you're so happy. No sane GM would spend big in this situation...
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The goal remains make the playoffs. That isn’t changing no matter how much everyone kicks and screams online. Holland’s job is to make the playoffs.

The AHL guys suck. They aren’t NHL level players yet. Period.

If the goal remains the same and the Kings don’t have NHL level players to fill in the holes then the GM must acquire NHL players from outside the organization. Joseph is versatile winger who replacing Foegele. Laughton is a very solid hard working defensive Center. He’s simply better than Danault. Both Joseph and Laughton will be options for next year’s squad. They’re solid NHL bottom six players.

Holland didn’t have the desire or green light to fire Hiller until he did. The blame for Hiller belongs to Luc.

Danault quit on Hiller. Gavrikov quit on Hiller. Spence quit on Hiller. Foegele quit on Hiller.

Holland acquired a first line winger for the very little cost. He also added several assets and held onto his 1st round pick. He’s doing his job.
 
Statue4Deano said:
There’s just no way all four of Anderson/Edmundson/Ceci/Dumo can all come back next season. Holland needs to find a way to move at least two of them.
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Agree, which is why I specifically pointed to the -term- being the issue. It would have been fine to overpay them on 1-2 year deals. Giving them 3 and 4 year deals was kind of nuts, especially with the dollar amount attached.
 
Statue4Deano said:
The goal remains make the playoffs. That isn’t changing no matter how much everyone kicks and screams online. Holland’s job is to make the playoffs.

The AHL guys suck. They aren’t NHL level players yet. Period.

If the goal remains the same and the Kings don’t have NHL level players to fill in the holes then the GM must acquire NHL players from outside the organization. Joseph is versatile winger who replacing Foegele. Laughton is a very solid hard working defensive Center. He’s simply better than Danault. Both Joseph and Laughton will be options for next year’s squad. They’re solid NHL bottom six players.

Holland didn’t have the desire or green light to fire Hiller until he did. The blame for Hiller belongs to Luc.

Danault quit on Hiller. Gavrikov quit on Hiller. Spence quit on Hiller. Foegele quit on Hiller.

Holland acquired a first line winger for the very little cost. He also added several assets and held onto his 1st round pick. He’s doing his job.
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I know what the goal is and I admire your positivity.

But I can't help but think this is half-@ssing it. I understand bolstering the bottom 6, but the Kings lost Fiala, Kuzmenko and now Perry...the "minor injury" bug this season isn't exactly ignoring the Kings either, there's constantly someone improtant missing. I doubt a 3rd line center (whom we already have in Turcotte if you think about it) and a bottom 6 winger that struggled so bad that he was bought out are going to move any needles for the "win now" motive.

If he was serious he'd go seriously after Elias, but there was not a sound about it. I doubt he'll be much more affordable come draft...on the contrary - teams that are buyers have less motivation to add an expensive player on a long term contract come the trade deadline. If he doesn't even want go after Elias - what is his plan for center position beyond this season?

And then there is defense...8+ million tied to two worst D-men on the roster. If Ken was serious about winning, he'd be trying to resolve this situation, either by moving one of Dumo and Ceci, or maybe by moving Edmundson and hoping Dumo fits well with Clarke and finding a 3rd pairing puck moving D-man capable of playing on the powerplay.



Again, half-@ssing this will likely mean the Kings barely miss the playoffs and are in the worst possible position draft-wise.
 
Since both players they signed are UFA’s, does it seem to anyone else like they’re going to see what happens with this team as far as making the playoffs this season. But beyond that they’re going to be retooling / rebuilding? If they make it, great. If not then hopefully we’d be in the bottom 11 & can win the lottery.

I don’t know when Byfield & Armia are coming back. So I don’t know how the lineup’s going to look. I imagine for now Moore, Turcotte, & Laffy are the 2nd line and Laughton & Joseph are on the 3rd line with Connors. Then when Byfield gets back he’s on the 2nd line & Turcotte replaces Connors on the 3rd line. And probably when Armia gets back he replaces Joseph. I’m not sure though.
 
Axl Rhoadz said:
Spence is useless for playoff hockey, not sure why that’s so hard to understand.
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He was useful in getting us to the playoffs.
He should have been held, at least to close to deadline. More evaluation and then with him expiring you have or acquire a replacement. And trade or extend him
 
Hockey53 said:
By gathering all these draft picks,Holland could have something in the works.But as notbob mentioned,are we tanking or making a run?.
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Holland basically stradled the line. Never seen a gm do it. I understand the logic and its an interesting wrinkles.
 
Bollocks said:
I know what the goal is and I admire your positivity.

But I can't help but think this is half-@ssing it. I understand bolstering the bottom 6, but the Kings lost Fiala, Kuzmenko and now Perry...the "minor injury" bug this season isn't exactly ignoring the Kings either, there's constantly someone improtant missing. I doubt a 3rd line center (whom we already have in Turcotte if you think about it) and a bottom 6 winger that struggled so bad that he was bought out are going to move any needles for the "win now" motive.

If he was serious he'd go seriously after Elias, but there was not a sound about it. I doubt he'll be much more affordable come draft...on the contrary - teams that are buyers have less motivation to add an expensive player on a long term contract come the trade deadline. If he doesn't even want go after Elias - what is his plan for center position beyond this season?

And then there is defense...8+ million tied to two worst D-men on the roster. If Ken was serious about winning, he'd be trying to resolve this situation, either by moving one of Dumo and Ceci, or maybe by moving Edmundson and hoping Dumo fits well with Clarke and finding a 3rd pairing puck moving D-man capable of playing on the powerplay.



Again, half-@ssing this will likely mean the Kings barely miss the playoffs and are in the worst possible position draft-wise.
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He had a lot of problems that started with Gav bail, then Spence trade and no replacents in hand. Gotta have em or gotta have em coming back. LA not popular and a lot of has to do with overtaxation for the recent regimes here.
 
The goal is to win the cup. Holland understands the limitations of this Kings team. All he wants is a competitive team throughout the season. Playoffs would be a plus, however, just don't be out of the race by January. I don't see the Kings making the playoffs for the next seven or so years. Too many teams have jumped them and they will get better while the Kings struggle. True hockey fans such as LGK are not going anywhere.

Holland will make minor tweaks, however, to compete with the Avs's, Stars and now Minn and the entire East a complete rebuild has to happen. A retool only works when you have a solid young nucleus. It will be interesting to see how far Anaheim and San Jose go in the next few seasons.
 
Hockey53 said:
By gathering all these draft picks,Holland could have something in the works.But as notbob mentioned,are we tanking or making a run?.
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Kings aren't tanking, they just don't have what it takes to compete. Wait until next season. they will be chasing every team in the Pacific except for Vancouver.
 
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