Kaliyev Waived

DryKing said:
Not sure I see Arty's play-style fitting on the Rangers right now - also, very surprised to see a team like the Blackhawks pass on him. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Kings get a crack and bringing him back / Rangers put him on waivers, which ultimately could work out well for the Kings.

I know many on the board aren't fans of Arty, but I think he has a solid future ahead of him in the NHL. Right now he's pretty limited in what type of system he can produce in, though, but hopefully he will do big things in New York. Ultimately a system like Utah, Pitts, Toronto seem like the best fit for him.
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I'm wondering if they asked Quickie about him before pulling the trigger--if that is even done.
 
If the Hockey Gods had my sense of humor, Kaliyev would've been claimed by the Wings, lol. :P

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I'll always be a fan of his, sh*t I wanted him drafted at where we took Bjornfort in full disclosure. To me the problem is mentally he's scored goals at every level and he's just been struggling seeing NHL goalies stop his shot with relative ease whereas in the OHL he was blasting them by 17 year olds with acne with relative ease. I remember one play that to me sums his career up perfectly in his first year he was on the PP in the Ovechkin spot and Kopitar fed him a perfect pass and he RIPS a shot on of all people Kuemper who with very little effort and perfect positioning stopped it like it was a beachball. The look on his face was one of "I'm not in the OHL anymore!"

The reality to me is he has to play in the Top 9 to be effective, playing with Lizotte and Lemieux was not going to showcase the one thing he truly brings to the table BUT in the Kings defense at some point it's on the player to earn those minutes and I don't think he ever truly did that outside his first year. His best hockey was playing with Zebras and Turcotte and if I were his coach and agent I would show him those clips and remind him of how good he was as right now he needs to be babied into believing he's a good player again.
 
santiclaws said:
Are you kidding? Slow, doesn't play much D, doesn't win board battles. Sounds like a perfect fit to me.
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Not everybody is a Type A, but team environments are always going to be a challenge to heavily introverted personalities. The one thing that is unforgivable in hockey is quitting on the boys. There is a lot of talk about Kaliyev quitting on the team after getting demoted when Laferriere took his spot while suspended. Its we'll known that he asked for a trade, and stories of Kaliyev showing up to practice and games at the last second and leaving immediately afterwards while not participating in any team functions doesn't paint a pretty picture.

When McLellan said that he needs to learn to be a better teammate and Blake said that he didn't do anything to help the team down the stretch, then rumors had him available for a 5th at the draft with no takers, its pretty easy to see that the problem with Kaliyev isn't skating it's not being one dimensional, and it isn't a lack of production. It's an inability to be a positive teammate and push through the road blocks that test your mettle.
 
Earl said:
I'll always be a fan of his, sh*t I wanted him drafted at where we took Bjornfort in full disclosure. To me the problem is mentally he's scored goals at every level and he's just been struggling seeing NHL goalies stop his shot with relative ease whereas in the OHL he was blasting them by 17 year olds with acne with relative ease. I remember one play that to me sums his career up perfectly in his first year he was on the PP in the Ovechkin spot and Kopitar fed him a perfect pass and he RIPS a shot on of all people Kuemper who with very little effort and perfect positioning stopped it like it was a beachball. The look on his face was one of "I'm not in the OHL anymore!"

The reality to me is he has to play in the Top 9 to be effective, playing with Lizotte and Lemieux was not going to showcase the one thing he truly brings to the table BUT in the Kings defense at some point it's on the player to earn those minutes and I don't think he ever truly did that outside his first year. His best hockey was playing with Zebras and Turcotte and if I were his coach and agent I would show him those clips and remind him of how good he was as right now he needs to be babied into believing he's a good player again.
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I agree. I have been a supporter of his since the draft, as well, and still think we got him at a steal (in terms of draft position). What I saw from him at the NHL level was a lot of second guessing himself. He would get a good shot opportunity and vice grip his stick restricting his natural shot (usually resulting in the puck being shot straight at the goalie if on net). Somewhere along the line a lot of self-doubt crept in which kept him from being the player we know he is capable of being. I think some of that falls on the coaching (from what I have seen he got a lot of negative reinforcement early on which was meant to motivate him to improve his two-way game and other aspects but backfired) and, like you said, goalies being at another level that he was not used to when coming to the NHL. I also think him sliding to the 2nd round in the draft was the start of it. It almost seemed like in that moment, as he sat there waiting for his name to be called deeper and deeper in the 1st round while his linemates went early, he started to build a mentality that others were against him (maybe that mentality was always there).

At the end of the day, he needs to believe more in himself and rebuild his confidence while both continuing to work on being adaptable and trust in his new coaches. It's ok to have a chip on ones shoulder, but it really seems like that chip has been hampering him from growing.
 
DryKing said:
I agree. I have been a supporter of his since the draft, as well, and still think we got him at a steal (in terms of draft position). What I saw from him at the NHL level was a lot of second guessing himself. He would get a good shot opportunity and vice grip his stick restricting his natural shot (usually resulting in the puck being shot straight at the goalie if on net). Somewhere along the line a lot of self-doubt crept in which kept him from being the player we know he is capable of being. I think some of that falls on the coaching (from what I have seen he got a lot of negative reinforcement early on which was meant to motivate him to improve his two-way game and other aspects but backfired) and, like you said, goalies being at another level that he was not used to when coming to the NHL. I also think him sliding to the 2nd round in the draft was the start of it. It almost seemed like in that moment, as he sat there waiting for his name to be called deeper and deeper in the 1st round while his linemates went early, he started to build a mentality that others were against him (maybe that mentality was always there).

At the end of the day, he needs to believe more in himself and rebuild his confidence while both continuing to work on being adaptable and trust in his new coaches. It's ok to have a chip on ones shoulder, but it really seems like that chip has been hampering him from growing.
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That Kuemper example just really stood out to me as the camera after the easy save went right to Kaliyev's face and you could tell it was a total culture shock of a goalie making a beyond routine save on a RIPPER of a shot.

I also think he's kind of socially awkward so he kind of comes off aloof to his teammates from my friends who work behind the scenes have told me. I do think he could thrive on the right team and line mates but in LA's defense at some point he has to show something. I'm not sure NY is the team for him as after his first bad game Larry Brooks will be all over him and the media attention he will get is much more aggressive than say LA's is.
 
I’ve always had a question about Kaliyev. But I never wanted to ask because I didn’t want to offend anyone. Is he in any way neurodivergent or on the autism spectrum? I don’t have any basis for that other than how he looks and I’ve never really heard interviews with him. I didn’t want to ask because I didn’t want to label him as normal or not normal. But since he’s leaving there’s really no other time to ask. Anyway I really wish him a lot of success in NYC.
 
Dr. Tran said:
I’ve always had a question about Kaliyev. But I never wanted to ask because I didn’t want to offend anyone. Is he in any way neurodivergent or on the autism spectrum? I don’t have any basis for that other than how he looks and I’ve never really heard interviews with him. I didn’t want to ask because I didn’t want to label him as normal or not normal. But since he’s leaving there’s really no other time to ask. Anyway I really wish him a lot of success in NYC.
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A diagnosis of someone being on the spectrum requires an often lengthy in-person evaluation by a qualified professional. I don't think you're going to get a reasonable answer from random hockey board posters who've never met the guy.
 
santiclaws said:
A diagnosis of someone being on the spectrum requires an often lengthy in-person evaluation by a qualified professional. I don't think you're going to get a reasonable answer from random hockey board posters who've never met the guy.
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Not true, everyone under the age of 25 is either neurodivergent or on the spectrum. Don’t you scroll instagram and tik tok?
 
santiclaws said:
A diagnosis of someone being on the spectrum requires an often lengthy in-person evaluation by a qualified professional. I don't think you're going to get a reasonable answer from random hockey board posters who've never met the guy.
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There was a LOT of conjecture about Kaliyev leading into his draft, with the non-rumor line being that he did poorly in his interviews. Whatever the reasoning, the underlying issue here is that Kaliyev is a different kind of person that doesn't fit into the traditional hockey fraternity.
 
santiclaws said:
A diagnosis of someone being on the spectrum requires an often lengthy in-person evaluation by a qualified professional. I don't think you're going to get a reasonable answer from random hockey board posters who've never met the guy.
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Not true, remember when LGK experts astutely predicted Kopitar's sleep apnea due to the way his eyes are?
 
Sultanic said:
There was a LOT of conjecture about Kaliyev leading into his draft, with the non-rumor line being that he did poorly in his interviews. Whatever the reasoning, the underlying issue here is that Kaliyev is a different kind of person that doesn't fit into the traditional hockey fraternity.
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Much like Dougie Hamilton. Unfortunately players who fit into that category usually need to be ultra-talented to stick around and sometimes that's not even enough.
 
Dexter said:

If anything, he has nervous tics. It's been known he has social anxiety.
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That and generally more introverted character can quickly lead to confidence issues when in the spotlight and among mostly very different characters.

I feel for the kid. The world of spotlights and toxic masculinity in pro sports just isn't a good place to be for guys like him. I hope he perseveres and manages to revive his NHL career post injury.
 
Bollocks said:
That and generally more introverted character can quickly lead to confidence issues when in the spotlight and among mostly very different characters.

I feel for the kid. The world of spotlights and toxic masculinity in pro sports just isn't a good place to be for guys like him. I hope he perseveres and manages to revive his NHL career post injury.
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I'm not sure I would call it "toxic masculinity." Maybe he's just not cut out for pro sports. Maybe he'd fail in a competitive all-female pro sport team too..
 
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