Birdman
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Claws was dead on. He’s worth a 3rd rounder, at best.
Confirmed with Link Kings name Holland their 10th GM in History
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Points are great. We all love and marvel at those who can put up points. But what bothers me about Marner, if you watch him especially in the playoffs, is that he wont lay it on the line for his team. He plays passive defensively. If i'm being honest, he seems to lack the intensity, sacrifice and grit that we know is critical in playoffs/high pressure games. Kopitar may not put up as many points, but when it comes to analyzing playoff performances, it goes far beyond points. Ill take the players who play 200 feet over the ones to seem to only play when the puck is on your stick.
santiclaws
I was in the pool!!
Pissing in Cheerios and raining on parades is something of a specialty....and on that bombshell it's time to end. Goodnight! [theme music playing]
Dude, you are really bringing down the vibe of the off-season fan fiction. But, to your credit you did make an unintentional (?) connection between Holland's hire being Luc's cyanide pill; which I'm here for, so, nice.
In closing I'd like to state that as long as Kopitar is Captain he will always be on the top line. Every scenario that deviates from that is living in an off-season fan fiction dreamworld. =)
Carry on.
What party?
Taxi Squad
Pissing in Cheerios and raining on parades is something of a specialty.
Statue4Deano
Super Star
Clif
Super Star
Trades can be for picks, or they can be for other players. The perceived worth of a player varies dramatically in the former vs the latter. Think how good a player needs to be to net a pick in the back half of the first round.
Roster players traded for picks happen because the team is selling at the deadline, clearing room on the roster for another player, or they need to cut ties with someone. Durzi was traded to make room for PLD.
There are many teams who want a second pair or even third pair RD who can move the puck. Make it a player young enough to be an RFA you’ve got rights to for longer and that player has value.
Their value is now based on need. Just an example, but BUF is reportedly listening on Byrum. They need RD. They need someone who is an NHL roster player but is still young so they don’t bail on them immediately.
If Spence is part of a package that brings back a roster player, that’s not low value. We’ll see if he does.
Clif
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There was a very multi-page thread called “FIRE HILLER” because he refused to play a significant part of the roster. So, is Hiller an idiot for that or a victim for not having players to play? If it’s the latter and Spence is an example why, that thread shouldn’t have made it past page 1.
symbology
TEAM LGK
Spence had an off year, I think. He really struggled for some reason. He was solid last year, especially in the playoffs. This year it seemed he struggled to make a simple pass/play. Not sure what his deal was.
santiclaws
I was in the pool!!
Whether Hiller should have played him more in the playoffs is irrelevant to the question of his value. The fact that he didn't play in the playoffs much will affect his value.
LeBrun interviewed Holland, Holland basically gave vanilla answers to everything:
www.nytimes.com
Of note, he did mention having a 2-3 hour dinner conversation with Blake to discuss the kings
Says he isn't firing anyone but wants to bring in a few people (the bring someone in part is TBD but the of interest part, Lebrun posited Tyler Wright)
Specifically stated the Kings were a good physical fit because his wife and he share a home in BC and he would have a better life balance.
Why Kings could go big-game hunting this NHL offseason: Catching up with Ken Holland
The Kings' new general manager is eager to get to work on his roster: "I plan to be aggressive. Ownership is prepared to go to the cap."
www.nytimes.com
Of note, he did mention having a 2-3 hour dinner conversation with Blake to discuss the kings
Says he isn't firing anyone but wants to bring in a few people (the bring someone in part is TBD but the of interest part, Lebrun posited Tyler Wright)
Specifically stated the Kings were a good physical fit because his wife and he share a home in BC and he would have a better life balance.
Clif
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He had a horrible start but improved once he paired with Moverare. From January on he was solid. In game 2 He had an egregious failure to collect a puck in the neutral zone that lead to an ugly and very sustained Oiler attack against the fourth line. He was sat in game 3. I don’t mind that. But when goes back in, you have to play more than 4 dmen. Players make bad plays. But you can’t play 4 dmen.
He has a larger body of work behind him than this year’s playoffs.
Statue4Deano
Super Star
LeBrun interviewed Holland, Holland basically gave vanilla answers to everything:
Why Kings could go big-game hunting this NHL offseason: Catching up with Ken Holland
The Kings' new general manager is eager to get to work on his roster: "I plan to be aggressive. Ownership is prepared to go to the cap."
Of note, he did mention having a 2-3 hour dinner conversation with Blake to discuss the kings
Says he isn't firing anyone but wants to bring in a few people (the bring someone in part is TBD but the of interest part, Lebrun posited Tyler Wright)
Specifically stated the Kings were a good physical fit because his wife and he share a home in BC and he would have a better life balance.
It’s clear now that a large part of this GM hire included running PR for the organization. That’s one part of the gig that Blake had zero interest in doing. Holland has been on a full blown media tour since day 1. The man loves to talk and I appreciate it!
Bollocks
Top Forward
How is Kempe as a LW? How does the first line dynamic change with RS RW and LS LW? Wasnt Fiala a bit ill-fitted on Kopitar's line but not so much on QB's?
It will be interesting to see how much Luc steps back, or doesn't.
Statue4Deano
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That was a rough draft. Still working on my finalized wish list so I deleted but Kempe has been pretty versatile his entire run and when Kuz was added to his line both guys switched sides at times even if they lined up in their traditional positions. More importantly I get the feeling Hiller is going to go back to mixing up the lines next season.
I think the lesson he’s going to take from these playoffs is that if he has 3 guys he can’t trust to run out as a unit he still needs to get them ice time to lift the minutes burden off his stars.
santiclaws
I was in the pool!!
That doesn't make what I said any less true. The fact that his own coach didn't have faith in him this past season in the team's most important games is not going to help his value.
Clif
Super Star
This reply was largely to someone else re: Spence’s season. His comment did not address Spence’s trade value, and neither did my reply.
The part at the end about body of work was to you and yeah, bodies of work do matter. Players have bad playoffs. He has had good playoffs too. I don’t think this year is going to have some outsized effect on his value. Ferraro sat there and said Marner “was costing himself money” with not scoring in rd 2. Yeah okay. He’s going to make 13M+ a season, same as he was pre-playoffs.
I’m going to say this. Trading for picks always makes players look less valuable. Gavrikov is going to make 7-8M this offseason. He and a goalie (!) were had for a later first and a third.
RFA compensation makes players’ worth look silly. Compensation for Broberg was a second round pick and Holloway a third.
Spence isn’t being traded for a pick unless other moves are made and Holland needs to get him off the roster. That could still happen too, but my main contention is that assessing what value a player has according to pick value is a different story than assessing value based on finding team(s) that need that position/type of player. To that end, yeah a second pair young RFA RD has value.
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Statue4Deano
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Well Lappy was fired as the coach of the Flyers AHL. He'll probably get a call.LeBrun interviewed Holland, Holland basically gave vanilla answers to everything:
Why Kings could go big-game hunting this NHL offseason: Catching up with Ken Holland
The Kings' new general manager is eager to get to work on his roster: "I plan to be aggressive. Ownership is prepared to go to the cap."
Of note, he did mention having a 2-3 hour dinner conversation with Blake to discuss the kings
Says he isn't firing anyone but wants to bring in a few people (the bring someone in part is TBD but the of interest part, Lebrun posited Tyler Wright)
Specifically stated the Kings were a good physical fit because his wife and he share a home in BC and he would have a better life balance.
symbology
TEAM LGK
As far as the media tour for KH, it may be a wise move. How else can he communicate to every player in the league that he is serious at making changes and building (what he thinks/hopes) is a winning team. Why let that info trickle down to individual players. Just blast it out there. I mean that could sway someone on the fence.
If you are a good player and fit a need.........
If you are a good player and fit a need.........
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