DryKing
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That makes a lot of sense. Between that, and the team they have been developing, Utah is probably on the list of considerations.
Marner Watch
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Statue4Deano
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Interesting Marner discussion.
McSorleyFan
3rd Line Winger
Johnston made a very good point. Marner has to put more value in 1 thing over the others - winning, money, quality of life (assuming he wants a long term deal) ....
Not 1 team out there right now can offer all 3.
IMO, LA, Carolina, Vegas, Toronto could get your all that ... but, with Vegas and Toronto, $ may have to take a hit. Vegas seems to be on the downslide with their aging forwards.
LA can offer all 3, but they need to resign Gavy and Kempe to keep the winning going.
Carolina - I don't know what quality of life Carolina has bc I know nothing of the place
It's a crapshoot. It's a good summer to be Marner.
Not 1 team out there right now can offer all 3.
IMO, LA, Carolina, Vegas, Toronto could get your all that ... but, with Vegas and Toronto, $ may have to take a hit. Vegas seems to be on the downslide with their aging forwards.
LA can offer all 3, but they need to resign Gavy and Kempe to keep the winning going.
Carolina - I don't know what quality of life Carolina has bc I know nothing of the place
It's a crapshoot. It's a good summer to be Marner.
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hokiecat
Super Star
I'm intrigued by getting Marner but I really wonder about dropping HUGE money on a good player. We don't want to end up like Dallas who added Rantenen but then will probably lose all of Duchene, Granlund, and Benn to free agency. I feel like a lot of the finalists had solid depth through the lineup and I don't know if going top heavy with Marner is the way to go to build a real contender.
The TSN interview was interesting. Toronto certainly thinks very highly of itself. It reminded me of the NY bias on ESPN. Anyhow, I'm hoping he goes to Chicago for big big bucks.
The TSN interview was interesting. Toronto certainly thinks very highly of itself. It reminded me of the NY bias on ESPN. Anyhow, I'm hoping he goes to Chicago for big big bucks.
Statue4Deano
Super Star
This is a valid concern under normal circumstances. However, the cap is guaranteed three years of increases taking it from $88M this season to $113.5 in 27-28. This is an extremely rare opportunity and the Kings are one of a handful of teams who can maximize this moment because they have very few long term big money deals and both Kopi and Doughty are coming off the books by year 3.
This is the moment to strike big before Kempe’s new deal and before Clarke signs his extension.
You bring in an actual superstar with a massive salary and you work around him. That’s much easier than what Vegas is trying to do. They’ve got a roster filled with aging players signed to big money deals and they’ll have to make several moves to try to find the space for a Marner contract. Certainly possible but it will force them to give players away at a discount hurting their depth.
The Kings under Blake already figured out the depth part. He couldn’t figure out the star part. Maybe Holland can get that type of deal done.
I'll take that trade 8 days a week, twice on tuesdays.
Statue4Deano
Super Star
LA lost because Hiller didn’t believe he had more than 12 forwards and 4 defensemen. Maybe he was right.
Marner is better than anyone on the Kings by quite a margin. He plays a better two-way game than Kempe. He’s more creative and a better playmaker than Fiala. He’s a 28 year old elite winger. Is he as productive in the playoffs as he is in the regular season? No. So what? He’s still an upgrade over anything we’ve got.
Clif
Super Star
Marner still has 63 points in 70 playoff games. That’s .90 pts a game and higher than anyone on the Kings other than Kempe, though he’s only played 28 games.
Marner also has a higher ppg than Matthews or Nylander, fwiw. Something to consider re: TOR narratives.
Ppg in playoffs for:
Kopitar .86
Fiala .61
Moore .45
Kempe 1.04 but again smaller sample size.
Yeah, he’d help.
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santiclaws
I was in the pool!!
56 of those points are in games 1-4. He's played in 20 games 5-7 in his career, in which he has 0 goals and 7 assists. He disappears in the biggest games. Exhibit A: 0 points in games 5-7 against the Panthers this playoff run, unless you count the blind backhand pizza he threw up the middle for a Panther goal.
He's the anti Justin Williams. Some guys are built for playoff pressure and some are not. He's the latter.
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santiclaws
I was in the pool!!
Took me a minute to figure out what he had to do with anything. Damn you, auto correct!
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Clif
Super Star
That’s illuminating, actually. Makes more sense re: the narrative then and adds more to the risk factor.
That said, every new player is a risk. No player plays the same for any two teams. Jeff Carter didn’t have a good playoff rep before coming here. I know we can’t always fall back “but Jeff Carter,” but Marner is going to be in whole new world wherever he lands.
Fiala also has/had a terrible playoff rep
ICE24
Super Star
Unfortunately, the Kings are not one elite player away from beating Edmonton, Colorado or Dallas.
ICE24
Super Star
I get what you're saying, however, he was playing in Toronto and not in LA. Different players.
DryKing
Power Forward
Those are some very illuminating numbers. I think, when it comes down to it, Marner is an excellent Robin but needs a Batman. Matthews, who is supposed to be Toronto's Batman, has equally dismal numbers in clutch games.
What gives hope is Marner's performance in the recent 4 Nations gold medal game where he had what - 3 assists come do or die primetime? The difference is that McDavid was able to finish Marner's setups, while Matthews tends to fall short in such high pressure situations.
So the question is - is Kempe more in the mold of Matthews or McDavid when it comes to do or die situations?
Statue4Deano
Super Star
Edmonton buzz sawing through the West showed there’s a lot of paper tigers in this conference.
If you swap out Kuzmenko for Marner on a Kings team that just tied the franchise record for points in the regular season I’d say they’re pretty easily a top 2 team in the West. Dallas, Winnipeg and Colorado all showed their fatal flaws in the playoffs and all can be beaten.
Edmonton is very clearly the best team in the West so there’s no guarantees that any realistic additions the Kings make are enough to get past the Oilers.
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